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http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/545063-is-tolerance-a-dying-virtue.html

Why are your PA mods clueless about Pakistan? Save for Ali the rest have no freaking idea how the world works or how anything works at all. Ali is a good mod and he actually has a freaking clue.

Its one thing to post stuff to learn. Its another to complain about Pakistan ad nauseam. But what does little old me know :rolleyes:

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Amal is a member first and mod later. He started that thread as a member, not as a mod. Whether you agree to his POV or not, there is no need to start butt-slaping mods. Please share your opinon in his thread, and do that without generalizing GS admin team.

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phew
A thread by CM in feedback NOT about Life1. Wow. What have I done to deserve this mercy?

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Not trying to pull your leg, but most vocal poster in PA are no different, they don't have clue either.

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^ Haan aur tmhe bohut clue hai har cheez kaa

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I can put up bias from your PA mods. I can put up with your PA mods defining discussions which define their terms. What I will not abide by is a bunch of upper class rich kids sitting abroad casting judgment on my country and my people and saying it only happens there. If i wanna hear how bad Pakistan is I can watch Fox news provide a one sided idiotic view point.

This is not the first time the PA mods have generalized about Pakistani society and its people. Hell it won’t be the last. But the fact that they are always blatantly wrong and yet have this smug moral arrogance is beyond the pale.

I can pretty much guarantee that your two mods will either write off the videos I posted as one off occasions or actually defend them calling them freedom of speech and expression.

Also member first mod later. I must say you guys do everything backwards. No freaking website in the world considers moderators just members. But then again this is GS :rolleyes:

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Just because some of us are sitting outside Pakistan does not make us any less of a Pakistani. Stop doing my country - my people thing against your own people who are not in Pakistan.

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Yeah. I am doing that. Not the people casting judgment on a nation and society with blanket statements with no basis in reality. Though I agree you are Pakistani. You are ready to blame others yet fail to take responsibility. Oh yes brilliant work on selective reading yet again.

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I have tried my best to find some sense in this complain..

The complainant has some biases against

a) People who are rich
b) people who live abroad
c) People who are moderators

These biases are based purely on their status because the complainant has failed to point out any action by these people which were not to his liking. Complainant does not agree with the views of certain moderators and it is perfectly okay to show your disagreement. After that the complainant has objection why these moderators have expressed their views.. now that's a little unfair. You can disagree with the views and express your opinion why do you disagree... and if your point of view is valid the readers will decide in your favor and subscribe to your views. Just objecting that why a certain moderator is expressing his/her views and then passing judgement that because they are rich/live abroad/moderators.. therefore they have no right to express their opinion.. and as the complainant suffers from a severe delusion that only he and only he knows how really things work in this world.. therefore it is necessary for every poster/moderator to post according to his personal liking..

Please be more specific if you have any objection on the action of any moderator using his position in an objectionable manner which is against the rules. Moderators are not required to follow a specific member's sensitivities or liking/disliking when they post as posters. if any of the moderators break forum rules when they are posting as posters.. this feed back forum is provided to highlight those discrepancies. In this specific case:

1) Complainant has not highlighted any violation of the rules by moderators when they post as posters..

2) Any action of the moderators acting as moderators which would show a bias.. or any violation of rules..

Merely difference of opinion can not be taken as the basis to start moderator bashing. We the moderators spend a lot of time voluntarily to keep your forum a decent place for discussion.. if you can not appreciate that, at least moderator bashing without any valid grounds should be avoided..

I have not written this post to start an unnecessary argument. Unless there is some logical basis of discussion I will not be obliged to participate in this useless discussion any further..

P.S.
All the moderators in PA section including Ali act as a team.. any childish attempt to put fractures in our team work will not prove fruitful. All of us may have different opinions on a certain topic and we respect the diversity of these opinions.. but when we act as moderators we are all united and we are proud of our team orientation. As moderators we stand behind each other's decision and there is no difference of opinion between the moderators in PA section on both policy decisions and moderator actions..

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yawn Blah blah blah…its okay. I am an intolerant Pakistani and you are so much better than me :rolleyes:

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Not a very good come back CM - I am disappointed :D

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LOL! I humbly apologize for disappointing you :p But what do I say that I haven't said already? People ***** about Pakistan and when you show the them the same happens in the US and EU they just run away from the thread never to respond again.

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You could have opened a nicer version of this in AV. Than we could discuss all your issues with generalizations and rich people being stupid and stuff. But I guess you like feedback better :naak:

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I am confused with what this rant of mine has to do with people being rich?

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Urgh c'mon save it for Oprah , mate ...

I don't think he has an agenda , where he wants to play some divide and rule game among your PA team :D

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No no Naabigh, I am some super secret agent out to destroy the team unity of the PA mods. Its my mission on GS. The guys from Bharat Raksat sent me over! :smiley:

I think I finally get where you guys come up with the “hatred for rich people” commnet. Frankly the hubris is insulting to say the least. Not to mention the class status comments are something I expect from the kids of Feudal landlords or the political brats of Islamabad’s elite. Certainly not for the well educated, morally upstanding Pakistanis who just happen to live abroad. Mind you please don’t confuse these people with the ones who work in Saudi Arabia, the UAE or Kuwait :rolleyes:

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hard to believe that CM would have hatred for the affluent.....
he's not from nazimabad you know.

and CM.....I haven't had enough time to read everything but what exactly is your complaint....? Is it that our moderator is biased or that you don't agree with his opinion?

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My complaint is a rant. Nothing more. They break no rules. Never claimed they did. But there is a limit to what I will personally tolerate when it comes to hypocrisy. I was simply outraged that Moderators of a website that once tried to become a portal for Pakistan has moderators that speak like republican neo-cons in their statements. Wanting to Civilize a nation like Bush said is not a far cry from calling an entire nation and people intolerant. More so its annoying as hell when you point the same happens in the EU and US and they make excuses for that.

In short I was being a loud mouth *****.

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Now Now..

You are trying to become a liberal accusing people to equate with Mr. Bush's example..

Let's get the record straight mate..

1) You have criticized people to express their opinion.. which you don't like..

2) You claim to be an ultimate authority in patriotism.. and moderators/posters who don't subscribe to your opinion should be automatically be considered anti Pakistan.. like fox news...

3) You consider yourself as ultimate custodian of patriotism... and everybody else is anti Pakistan...

Mate.. I give employment to over 5000 people in this country directly.. my group employs over 100,000 people.. my father is the chairman of the largest hospital in Pakistan... and we finance the bulk of the patient welfare there..

You are in the army.. doesn't mean that you are the ultimate custodian of the national interest.. we work day and night for the welfare of this country.. living in this country..

You accuse personal hypocrisy.. you are just naive.. we work to enhance Pakistan exports.. we run hospitals here.. I am personally making schools here.. ******** you think you are the only one who cares about Pakistan.. ********

I can also use abstracts.. it's not a big deal..!!!

Having said that I have utmost respect for you.. and it's not the first time I am expressing that.. In several of my posts I have expressed to trust your opinion on military affairs... as you are serving us to ensure our security in the army.. doesn't mean that you are an authority on everything in this world..

I give lectures to the army leadership on economic affairs.. they invite me to do that... I am a Pakistani with a certain knowledge and they avail this available resource.. my knowledge is for my country... I have never used my status for personal gains...

******** you are not the only patriot..

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Yet when its all said and done you call the very same people you hire, support and feed intolerant and imply worse? And when the same is shown in EU or the US you make excuses. I commend you and your family and whoever joins you in your business for what you do. Its frankly good that such things are done in Pakistan, and more people should follow your actions. However it does not change the mindset by which you make comments.

I have a simple question for you. You stated in your first post in the thread linked my post:

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We are indeed becoming a violent/uncivilized nation with no tolerance at all.
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Do you include yourself as a member of a violent/uncivilized nation with no tolerance at all? Does that mean you, your family, the people you work with, who work for you are all violent uncivilized people with no tolerance?