Real Masiah Hazrat Isa(A.S) VS mirza ghulam ahmed

zakiahmed · October 9, 2009, 1:34pm

Seems like an Alif Laila episode to me ... that is if you take it literally. These are all metaphores.

d-tox.ed · October 9, 2009, 1:42pm

re: Real Masiah Hazrat Isa(A.S) VS mirza ghulam ahmed

exactly Zaki Bhai.... if he take these Ahadith literally then to world he is no more what Hindu believe in Mahaa Bharat.

zakiahmed · October 9, 2009, 1:49pm

I think, you can call me zaki bhai :) Name is Zaki Ahmed

d-tox.ed · October 9, 2009, 1:54pm

I have updated my post.

coolguylin · October 9, 2009, 1:54pm

That means you are a Munkir-e-Hadees e nabwi (S.A.W.W)... And ofcourse you can be coz ahmadis have nothing to do with Islam.. they are Kuffar.. and friends of Dajjal..
Dont you know that Hazrat Isa (A.S) had some miracles.. He could make a bird of clay and would make it fly away?? Didnt He use to treat the blind with his Mojzaat?? Miracles given to Hazrat Isa (A.S) by ALLAH... this will also be a miracle..

d-tox.ed · October 9, 2009, 1:56pm

re: Real Masiah Hazrat Isa(A.S) VS mirza ghulam ahmed

Cool...cool down...trust me they will ban you if someone reports you callling others Kafir....just edit your post if you can....

coolguylin · October 9, 2009, 1:59pm

My question to all of you stands... Where did your maseeha kill Dajjal?? and When??
Was your maseeha son of chiraag?? Or Hazrat Maryam (Nauzubillah)??

coolguylin · October 9, 2009, 2:01pm

I can say non-muslim thats the same thing.. isnt it??

d-tox.ed · October 9, 2009, 2:03pm

abb tum ban ho gaye to mujhe dua de dena ke mene tumhien warn kia tha...

coolguylin · October 9, 2009, 2:08pm

re: Real Masiah Hazrat Isa(A.S) VS mirza ghulam ahmed

ban 10000 bar bhi kar dain dost... mujhay koi farq nahi parrta... lekin hakeekat hakeekat he rahay gi.. main ek non-muslim ko muslim nahi keh sakta.. sirf ban honay ke darr se..

d-tox.ed · October 9, 2009, 2:16pm

re: Real Masiah Hazrat Isa(A.S) VS mirza ghulam ahmed

yaar acha mazaa aa raha tha tumse baat karne ka...lekin u blew it....nevermind....just create a new add when they ban you and come back....You ll be just fine.

Kabhi kabhi aqal se bhi kaam lena chahyye...theek hai tumm mujhe non muslim samjhte ho to samjhte ho...iska dandhora peetane ki kiaa zaroorat hai...na isse tumhaari zaat pe koi asar parre ga orr na hi meri....lekin tum dhandhora peeto gai or forum rules ke against jaao gai to wo sahi baat nahin...every place has some rules and regulations and being a Muslim you shuold abide these rules.

coolguylin · October 9, 2009, 2:24pm

Chal mere dost.. mera ye Imaan mazeed pakka ho jae ga Ke aaj kall saari ''material'' powers ka charge non-muslims ke paas he hai..aur yehi Imam-e-Mahdi ke aanay ka time hai.. Lekin main nahi to koi aur aa jae ga...Tum logon ki hakeekat duniya ko batanay ke leye.. Lekin meri yeh tum se request hai..
Ke ek baar thanday dil se socho.. Aur ghor karo.. Ke jis relegion pe tum chal rahay ho wo kya hai.. aur hakeekat kya hai.. ek dafa sochna zaroor.. main tumse nafrat nahi karta.. lekin mujhay tumharay relegion se chirr hai.. aur afsos bhi hai ke tum log sochtay nahi ho.. Zara thanday dil se socho.. Ke aap log kidher ja rahay ho..

EyEsOnSkY · October 9, 2009, 2:30pm

lol

tell u latter why i laugh :aq:

d-tox.ed · October 9, 2009, 2:35pm

yaar ye to wohi baat ho gai.....neki kar daria mien daal...bhalaai ka koi zamaana nahin....tumne mere deen imaan ki be hurmati ki...mien chup raha...tumne mere mazhbi rahnumaaon ke baare mien ghalat zubaan istemaal ki mien chupp raha balke jabb tumne forum rules ke against post kia to mene phir tumhien yaad dehaani bhi karaai..wo bhi mehez insaanyat ki bunyaad pe lekin tumhien wo bhi raas nahin aai...

abb mere paas orr koi hal nahin...tum moderators ko blame na karro..they will only be following the rules....

d-tox.ed · October 9, 2009, 2:36pm

yaaar bataa zaroor dena.

Mr.Popat · October 9, 2009, 2:36pm

coolguylin:

Was dost wah.. Lagta hai tumhari Aqal boht moti hai.. a very simple thing doesnt go through your skull... Look dude.. First of all i dont consider this drama (amir liaqat) as a reasonable and sensible person..nor do i respect him and consider him as a scholar...right?? You didnt need to quote him coz i did not see the vides you quoted.. Now comes your maseeha.. So yes you were right in saying that dajjal will ride on a donkey with the donkey's ears stretched apart...40 hands of distance between the two ears right... Now my question is still there... you didnt answer my question... OK now let me put it in another way... lets put it as you mentioned... you said that the speed of that donkey will be very fast right?? So now you have to tell me, that this fast ''sawaari'' is most likely the aeroplan right??and as far as i know aeroplanes were quite after your maseeh e mauood right?? Tell me how did your maseeh e maood kill Dajjal before even the birth of airplanes??? when there was no question of dajjal?? And by the way.. my question is still there, What about your maseeha's mother?? She was chiragh not Maryam??? wasnt she???

Yes now i answer your questions... and please answer my questions straight... dont try to twist the things OK??? Well you asked that if Hazrat Isa (A.S) (who is alive and in the skies) will kill all christians and others.. well As mentioned in hadith shareef that all Dajjal's friends will be killed by his breath..and his breath will reach where His eye sight reaches.. OK??? But the rest of the christians.. who wont be friend of Dajjal, will see that the Person (Hazrat Isa(A.S)) whom they believed to be the Son of God.. is himself with the muslims... and is a muslim... So why the hell are we doing being christians?? Isnt it common sense??? If your leader or the person you pray becomes muslim... why would you remain non-muslim??? So its quite a common sense issue.. So cross will automatically break !!!! Got it??? Now answer mine in the similar way as i have answered yours..!!!

Thank you for your reply and thanks for being straight forward. I will InshAllah try to be straight forward just as you have.

It doesnt matter if you have any respect of amir liaquat hussain or not. Fact remains that he is representing the beliefs of Muslims. If he hadnt, he wudnt have been given the chance to air that show.

I will present my side of the beliefs regarding Dajjal. Name of Maseeh e Maood (AS)'s mother can wait for sometime, until dajjal's issue is resolved. Feel free to bring the mother issue once more.

Dajjal as written in ahadith represent an era and not one person as you mentioned in your earlier posts. Ahadith pointing at His/its strength, His/its power, Him/it being one-eyed, him/it as the fire-eater, the transportation that he/its going to ride will be so fast that it will cover the distance of months in a matter of hours. All these ahadith are actually indirecly referring to the technology, as you also have mentioned in your post ( airplane etc ).

Then we have ahadith speaking of Maseeh (AS) 'killing' the dajjal. We also have ahadith mentioning He (AS) will kill the 'swine' and break the 'cross'

It is very easy for any knowledgeable person to know that these ahadith are pointing at none other but Christianity. Swine is eaten largely by Christians and cross are their symbol. The technology as we know are mostly developed by the western world. Also, most of the western world is Christian. Now, maseeh AS was suppose to come when the signs of Dajjal has appeared. (when Christians were the most dominant ones).

Now, lets talk about the killing of Dajjal. Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) killed dajjal ( christian beliefs ) by proving their Lord , Jesus Christ dead. This was something that killed christian's belief right from its roots. Then he (AS) went on to have countless debates with the christian missionaries and successfully defeated them in every debate. You can curse Him (AS) with all your heart, (just like how Muhammad SAW is cursed by non believers, but still admits him to be the very honest person ) but you cannot reject the services he (AS) provided for the sake of Islam and for the defense of Islam against the attacks of Christians at that time. Thats how dajjal is killed. Christianity is there to stay, but their beliefs have been shook. It is not wise to believe that every single christian will embrace Islam at the time of the arrival of Maseeh (AS). Prophet Muhammad PBUH , the greatest prophet of all time couldnt do such task, how will Isa (AS)?

That being said, i cant stress enough in the issue that Ahmadis do not consider Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) to be ISA (AS) himself. ( he proved him (AS) dead, thus cant be Isa (AS) himself ). He (AS) is given the title of Isa (AS) by Allah the almighty, just as how John the baptist was given the title of Elijah (AS).

PS: do you not have respect for Liaqat hussain merely for the reason that His belief of Dajjal is that of the belief of Ahmadis? I can say i dont have respect for him because he said thats his own research. I dont see any reason of your disrespect for him. Please feel free to PM me to ask for the youtube links, if you havent seen it yet.

Mr.Popat · October 9, 2009, 2:54pm

Theres not a single religion on the face of this earth that can compete Islam. I am a firm believer of Islam. Every single word written in Quran is what i believe the final word of Allah. Any new religion which is born after Islam is fore sure not from Allah. No commit have i committed by accepted the Imam Mahdi AS and the Maseeh e Maood. I also request you to think of ahadith as not literal meaning all the time. Even in Quran there are metaphorical verses for us to understand, so are in ahadith.

I am not a believer of Maseeh e Maood whose sole purpose is to kill the people who dont accept him. In Quran it is said that the duty of a messenger is to convey the message to the people and leave Allah to soften their hearts. No prophet has ever come whose purpose has been to kill the people who disobey his teachings.

coolguylin · October 9, 2009, 3:25pm

Mr.Popat:

Thank you for your reply and thanks for being straight forward. I will InshAllah try to be straight forward just as you have.

It doesnt matter if you have any respect of amir liaquat hussain or not. Fact remains that he is representing the beliefs of Muslims. If he hadnt, he wudnt have been given the chance to air that show.

I will present my side of the beliefs regarding Dajjal. Name of Maseeh e Maood (AS)'s mother can wait for sometime, until dajjal's issue is resolved. Feel free to bring the mother issue once more.

Dajjal as written in ahadith represent an era and not one person as you mentioned in your earlier posts. Ahadith pointing at His/its strength, His/its power, Him/it being one-eyed, him/it as the fire-eater, the transportation that he/its going to ride will be so fast that it will cover the distance of months in a matter of hours. All these ahadith are actually indirecly referring to the technology, as you also have mentioned in your post ( airplane etc ).

Then we have ahadith speaking of Maseeh (AS) 'killing' the dajjal. We also have ahadith mentioning He (AS) will kill the 'swine' and break the 'cross'

It is very easy for any knowledgeable person to know that these ahadith are pointing at none other but Christianity. Swine is eaten largely by Christians and cross are their symbol. The technology as we know are mostly developed by the western world. Also, most of the western world is Christian. Now, maseeh AS was suppose to come when the signs of Dajjal has appeared. (when Christians were the most dominant ones).

Now, lets talk about the killing of Dajjal. Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) killed dajjal ( christian beliefs ) by proving their Lord , Jesus Christ dead. This was something that killed christian's belief right from its roots. Then he (AS) went on to have countless debates with the christian missionaries and successfully defeated them in every debate. You can curse Him (AS) with all your heart, (just like how Muhammad SAW is cursed by non believers, but still admits him to be the very honest person ) but you cannot reject the services he (AS) provided for the sake of Islam and for the defense of Islam against the attacks of Christians at that time. Thats how dajjal is killed. Christianity is there to stay, but their beliefs have been shook. It is not wise to believe that every single christian will embrace Islam at the time of the arrival of Maseeh (AS). Prophet Muhammad PBUH , the greatest prophet of all time couldnt do such task, how will Isa (AS)?

That being said, i cant stress enough in the issue that Ahmadis do not consider Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) to be ISA (AS) himself. ( he proved him (AS) dead, thus cant be Isa (AS) himself ). He (AS) is given the title of Isa (AS) by Allah the almighty, just as how John the baptist was given the title of Elijah (AS).

PS: do you not have respect for Liaqat hussain merely for the reason that His belief of Dajjal is that of the belief of Ahmadis? I can say i dont have respect for him because he said thats his own research. I dont see any reason of your disrespect for him. Please feel free to PM me to ask for the youtube links, if you havent seen it yet.

I can only laugh at your answer.. its not the answer... You can never give me the answer because you dont have any answer...and your answer is as far from reality as east from west.. And one more thing comes to my mind..the mission of maseeha is actually to save.. right?? But your maseeha came and died.. but why are you still mazloom(according to all ahmadi non-muslims)??
You should have been safe and all the world would have been yours after the comming of your masseha?? doesnt it make sense?? Why even after 100 years of death of your maseeha.. you still are in trouble?? no muslim is even counting you as muslim?? Why?? Do you have any logical answer to this question?? Well if you prove this thing otherwise.. then i can easily say that ''The cow can jump over the moon''..

And by the way.. where and when did your maseeha defeat christians?? he was instead a very close friend and worked for them.. and its the reason of that defeat i think, that christians are even more powerful than ever before right?? i am laughing at your statement.. and its worth laughing actually..

And one last thing and most important.. ahmadi non muslims and christians.. you both actually share the belief that Hazrat Isa(A.S) has died.. right?? so there is no point is saying that your maseeha (mirza qadiani) cut their(christian's) root by saying that Hazrat Isa (A.S) has died.. becoz its already christians belief OK?? Its only muslims (non-ahmadis) who believe that Hazrat Isa (A.S) has not died.. and is in the skies..

Zapatista · October 9, 2009, 3:43pm

Watch from 1:15 and listen to what Mullah Israr, the guy you seem to fancy alot, has to say about that.

coolguylin · October 9, 2009, 3:53pm

My answer to you is that listen the following from the same Dr Israr sahab.. at 0:37 and also 1:50 onwards..