gupguppy, isn't it convenient to site all the hadiths that someone else quotes as fabricated other than those that correspond to your own opinion? And it is not even limited to Muslims. The term 'Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani' is mentioned in Mathews for Jesus (as) calling on Allah while nailed to the cross, which is generally quoted as meaning O God why have you forsaken me. I presented it to my Christian friend as an argument to Jesus(as) agitation and he very casually remarked that he considers Mark to be more authentic. Another one told me that some scholar in Jerusalem has done research and the term actually meant 'O God this is my destiny' & he produced a news paper clipping of the research. Neither being the expert on Hebrew, nor Bible & Hadiths in this case where am I going to verify any of such claims.
The conception of Jesus (as) was natural (read some studies on Hermaphroditism), extra ordinary none the less. Though his ascension to heaven to be alive for thousands of years is certainly unnatural. Also, the belief that Adam and Eve were alive in heavens & then were sent to this world like a rain drop is again those fairy tales & taking verses of Quran literally.
Some masterpieces:
"The greater part of my life has been spent in supporting and defending the British Government. I have written and published so many books and posters in respect of impermissibility of Jihad and the need for obedience to the British that if all these tracts and books were put together, it would take 50 cupboards to accommodate them”. (Roohani Khazain, vol. 15, p. 155)
Mirza Ahmed praising Queen:
“O Exalted Queen, Queen of India. May God prolong your life with happiness and glory. Your reign of government is so blessed that God’s Hand is supporting your objectives. The angels are cleaning the paths of your good intentions and sympathy for your subjects. …Mischievous is the one who does not value your reign, and evil (“badzaat”) is the one who is not grateful for your favours. …My heart is especially full of your love and greatness”.
Now what do you guys think???Is this guy for REAL???
I really believe Ahmadis should NOT be treated badly just because of their faith, we should rather feel sorry for them and try our best to bring them back on path.
Holy Prophet Mohammed SAAW did not understand the meaning of Surath AlZilzal.
(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain, vol 3 p.166-167)
“Quran is God’s Book and the words of my mouth.”
(Advertisement dated 15th March 1897)
Prophets are liars. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.472)
Hadrath Mohammad’s Revelation also turned out to be wrong. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.472-473)
Hazrath Imam Mahdi will not come. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.378-379)
Revelation did not inform Hazrath Mohammad about Ibne Maryam, Dajjal, Khare Dajjal, Yajoog Majoogand Daabatul Ardh. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.473)
Khar-eDajjal (donkey of Dajjal) is the railway train, Dabbatul Ardh are Muslim Scholars (Ulema) and Dajjal are the Christian Priests etc. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.365-366)
Hazrath Eisa ibne Maryam used to practice mesmerism and was quite expert in it. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.256-257)
“Hazrat Eisa ibne Maryam was the son of Yusuf Najjar (Joseph, the Carpenter).” (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.254)
Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya is the Book of God. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.386)
Miracles mentioned in Holy Quran are results of Mesmerism. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.506)
I am only posting few of the quotes, you can check this link out to read other AMAZING quotes by MGA
I am not any religious extremist or anything, this thread got me thinking why there are lots of people who claim to be MUSLIMS still follow MR MGA and did a bit of a research.
ahmadjee instead of making it a mixture of everything please refer to my original questions at the start and a few points i'm detailing here:
1) i didn't say we should be told mirza ghulam ahmad from hind is a prophet, what i'm saying is why the cryptic message mentioning ibn mariyam instead of just saying a 'man' will come as a prophet? isn't it the ahmadis who belittle the Prophet (saws) by suggesting that he was unable to convey Allah's message clearly? it conveys your weakness when you decide to read the ahadiths mentioning ibn-e-maryam in different ways.. Did the Prophet(saws) really not realize how confusing that would be? Him mentioning ibn-maryam again and again yet with different meanings?
2) by suggesting that dajjal is something out of a movie, aren't you mocking the Prophet(saws)'s knowledge again? What would it be like if the dajjal is real, what would you think then? Do you see how sad it is that you're twisting every aspect of the hadith? Many things should belong in movies, such as an entire town being turned upside down, but they aren't... Dajjal is another punishment from Allah (swt), why do you disbelieve in it then?
3) "Let me take this opportunity to point out that while there are all these Sahih Hadiths about ibn-e-mariyam descending from heavens in the later days, there is not a single Hadiths in Sahih Sita that talks about his ascension to heavens as is believed by Muslims."
what of the fact that Quran itself talks about it? as i mentioned in my first post, read jesus did not die, and jesus will return by harun yahya...
4) "And I would also like you to dig out the Hadiths that mentions AnHazoor (saw) Miraj, there it is mentioned that he met prophets on different level of heavens with a brief description of those prophets. He also met Jesus (as); compare that description to the Hadiths that you quoted above, you will find a difference. And if I remember correctly, one of those Hadiths mentions that all the prophets that met AnHazoor on Miraj were believed to be their spirits, with no exception mentioned for ibn-e-mariyam (as)."
please find these for me so i can see what you're talking about, along with how strong/weak the hadith is.
5) "isn't it convenient to site all the hadiths that someone else quotes as fabricated other than those that correspond to your own opinion"
ahhh... right :-) so instead of accepting that the hadith one is quoting is fabricated they should rather be stubborn that its a matter of personal opinion?? O bhai.. declaring them sahih or daeef or mawdoo is not a personal matter, quote the scholars of hadith and lets see what they think about your hadith.. IF YOU ARE TRUTHFUL.. dont make it a personal matter 'me vs you'
Oh yeh, and lets also see how you explain this...have fun.. how come there's no mention of 30 liars and just 1 truthful guy?
Sunan Abu Daud, Kitab al-Fitan
"There will be thirty liars in my Ummah, each of them claiming to be a Prophet,
but I am the Khatam-un-Nabiyeen, there is no Prophet after me."
Sahih al Muslim: Book 041, Number 6988:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until there would arise about thirty impostors, liars, and each one of them would claim that he is a messenger of Allah.
Sahih al Muslim: Volume 9, Book 88, Number 237:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established (1) till two big groups fight each other whereupon there will be a great number of casualties on both sides and they will be following one and the same religious doctrine, (2) till about thirty Dajjals (liars) appear,.......
