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what in the world are u trying to proove?.. he BORN in 1930s or 1940s??? amazing…come on yaar…fool ur other stupid mates…
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Bao is not saying anything, but this copy of book:
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i dont know what i should call it, ur stupidity or or jahaalat…lol @ He AS was born in 1939/1940… then He AS must have died 10 or 20 years ago?
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^-- don't be acting so stupid if some is doing typo, read that image and figure yrself that it should be 1839 not 1939...
one should have some sense...
it was just a type just like ahmedji did...
cio, laters
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let me know if u can read that image?
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Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) was born in 1835 in Qadian, a small village situated in the district of Punjab in India. He was born to a noble, land-owning family of Qadian. He received his education from various tutors who were 'not men of any great learning and the proficiency attained by him consisted merely in the reading of Persian and Arabic and in the ability to express himself fluently in the former and to a limited extent in the latter. His education went no further'.1 He had, however, also studied a few books on medicine under the guidance of his father who was a skillful physician. Together with his love of study, Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) was a devout worshipper and wished to spend a great deal of his time in prayer and supplication.
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letting you know…
http://gim.gupshup.org/gal/H/009316380_8249453.JPG
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Ok I am still confused about some of my questions please englighten me because ** Mr Trooper** Chickened out and did not bother to reply to my this questions :
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So pathetic !!! Mr trooper your prophet claims to be BETTER *than the son of 'ibn-e-Marium right ? ( in his poem reffered in the other thread) Tell me did the son of Marium Esa EVER in his life cursed ? HOW THE HECK he can claim him self * BETTER than even a normal person let alone being BETTER than Prophet Esa as ?
I mean common dude have some common sense please ? I mean I refuse to believe that you are a literate person who is trying to justify your prophets disugsting language by saying OH IT WAS IN REPLY, sh*t dude, Just because the ZALIM SAMAAJH was bad mouthing your prophet and your prophet went on cursing spree to get back at them ? HOW PATHETIC.
Re: Some usefull information-mirzais
yaar--- he claimed to be a prophet--and yet he did not knew his exact age---why he then boasted
It is very clear from the image you posted that he made a casual reference to his age not exact. Most Ahmadi historians make his birth date to be in 1835, which is only a calculated guess. Also the claim about his final age is also a reference to an age around 80, not exact.
There have been more than a hundred thousand prophets, yet we don't know the exact birthday of any one of them. Knowing one's birth date is not a pre-req for prophethood.
Nit picking on the age question is a waste of time. Ask something original.
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^^
When the lineage of Prophets (May peace and blessings be upon them) had ended, Allah :swt: ended it, the Quran ended it, Sunnah ended it, every Muslim knows it ended, then how come you guys believe in someone who curses, whose own followers knew him to be a fornicator, who gave laanats to all and sundry who didn’t believe in him being a Prophet (Do you know any Prophet who did that?), whose lies and claims have been ripped to shreds by many many Muslims…
What makes you guys still think he is actually a Prophet 
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Lajo, you know they say the same about a lot of prophets but as Allah promised that eventually the non-believers will vanish from this earth & so the believers march on.
The reason I believe in him to be a prophet is that after reading his explanation of Islam it makes sense to me and his teachings on prayers have led me to believe in a God who is alive & responds to the prayers of His creation. Not a God who closed his doors 1400 years ago. I also believe in him to be a prophet because majority of his followers have truthfulness in their daily lives and their faith increases in the face of persecution they face from others.
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So, if another guy comes along whose ‘explanation’ (Which means The Holy Prophet :saw: left his work unfinished ), you happen to like better, would you start following him too?
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I will consider any and all such claimants.
When Jesus (as) claimed to be the Messiah, all the Jews cursed him and accused him of changing the law. He responded that he is not changing anything just fulfilling what is already been given to them. And indeed the 10 commandments didn't change nor did Mirza Sahib (as) added any new verses to the Quran. Instead he only clarified what had already been revealed.
And just like Jesus (as), Mirza Sahib (as) is accused of being an enemy agent and not fighting with a sword and here too just like Jesus (as) his response was to give Caesar what belongs to him and give Allah what belongs to Allah and create not mischief in this world.
And so I believe in him to be the Messiah for the Muslims and not some claimant from Sudan who waged Jihad.
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AhmadJee, I am not going to tell you anything from my own personal opinions.. i will just quote Quran, verily it is the most trusted and accurate book on earth!
O people ! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, He is the Apostle of God and the Last in the line of Prophets (Khatam-un-Nabiyeen). And God is Aware of everything." (Surah Al Ahzab 33.40)
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Can you post the exact versus in arabic please? and also draw ur attention whether it says “khaatam” or “khaatim”
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Ansoon, if you search on these very forums, you will realize that this verse has been discussed many times. The translation 'last in line' of the term 'khatam-un-nabiyeen' adds nothing to the value & stature of AnHazoor (saw). On the contrary, the translation 'Greatest of all prophets', 'the authentication of all prophets' suits far better. And many guppies have argued it many different ways, so feel free to browse through those threads.
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Yes…But in Eesa :as:'s case, the Romans were the cruel government, and Eesa :as: came to deliver the Jews from them…
In the case of MGA, the British were ravaging the populace of the sub-continent and MGA’s forefather’s and progeny were swearing everlasting fealty to the tyrants…
In fact, he held the government of Britain’s ‘mercy’ equivalent to the mercy of Allah :swt: …
May MGA receive the ‘mercy’ of the British in the Aakhira too…
P.S. Eesa :as: was killed because like many mod-Muslims today, the Jews thought that the ideas of the Prophet :as: would land the Jews in disfavour with the Romans and they would be slaughtered…
Not because he brought some Message…
So MGA akin to the Judas Iscariot of the Jews rather than Eesa :as:…
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Ahmed Jee - Mirza sahib in kitab ul bariya also says that he was around 17/16 years old on 1857. If at the age of 17/16 mirza jee did not knew about his corect age(unable to ascertain abooout his age-as qadiyani historians think-- atleast 6 years difference) then his common sense was par below normal—
He can give us detail of how he was born and yet his estimated birth date differce by 4/5 years .
And the claim is very clear ( * sareeh lafzooon main ittela dee hay * as mirza said ) so it only means that either mirzai historians tried thier level best to recitfy mirza Jee false claim ..khench taan kay baraber ker diya–
I have asked original questions… see the original thread about abuses..
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Lajo, you just claimed that Jesus (as) failed in his mission and couldn't deliver the Jews from Romans and that he was killed by the Romans. I hope you don't believe either one of them.
Bao, Muslims, Hindus and Christians all were against Mirza Sahib, and many prophesized his young death and end to his 'jamat'. And his prophecy of around 80 years was answer to those. And his 'jamat' still strong and vibrant after a 100 years is another proof to his truthfulness.
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Well, MGA also gave the ‘basharat’ and Dua of everlasting rule of the British over India…
Where is it?
And Eesa :as:'s mission didn’t fail…If it did, you wouldn’t have so many Christians…