Raytheon offers ‘radiation gun’ to India to quell protests in Kashmir

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Lol. Practical? Practical for you, but not anyone else.

India will eventually have to accept the ground reality that India is not wanted.

Kashmiris must continue their fight. If it must mean endless protests, then so be it. But India has no right to claim Kashmir what so ever.

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med911,

do you know how big the valley is? it's a tiny little piece of land between azad kashmir and jammu region, jammu and ladakh regions make up a significant amount of the whole of the indian side of j&k and even in the kashmir valley the views vary from person to person. when there's mass corruption how exactly would the vote be fair? the majority of j&k might be muslim but those muslims in jammu and ladakh don't favor breaking up j&k, have varying viewpoints and also don't favor separating away.

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In the Valley of Kashmir(which makes up most all of the kashmiri population) support for joining India was much lower down to just two per cent in Baramulla. Only in Jammu and Ladakh divisions was there majority support for joining India, rising to as high as eighty percent in Kargil(ladakh).

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do you understand that the jammu regions and ladakh regions have close to no ethnic kashmiris(specifically only the muslim kashmiris) except for maybe the doda district of the jammu region. the rest of the ethnic groups, dogras, paharis, gujjars, punjabis, ladakhis and all the rest of the ethnic groups of the whole of j&k make up the jammu and ladakh regions. again kashmiri muslims are only concentrated in the valley

these debates back and forth will go on for years, the only people that will suffer are the people of j&k especially when pakistanis keep supporting the separatists which are corrupt as ever too. if the monetary support could be stopped, then maybe the armed forces could leave the cities of the valley and other parts of j&k even more and stay only at the borders where they should be rather than near civilians

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just a matter of time…

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This is exactly why the Kashmir issue is untenable. Hema Malini is an Iyengar.

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i thought they are all same with defferent sects in brahmin.also i have seen many non brahmin tamils who are equally fair in colour,iam not trying to be racial here,just that u can't term indian with particular race.we have so much mixing

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Im not talking about the geographical size of the Valley. The issue concerns the rights of the majority of Kashmiris. And the majority it seems want nothing to do with India. I dont care about their ethnic make up, that's irrelevant. They are Kashmiri by the fact that they live in Kashmir. If the solution ultimately means the separation of the valley as a separate entity, then so be it. Why should the Muslims of the Valley be held hostage to the whims of the minority?
Bottom line is, that you need to ascertain the wishes of these people as was promised to them at the time of partition. The excuse that the issue is to complicated is just that, an excuse. Can you name me one issue in the world that isnt complicated?

Corruption is also rife in India itself, yet elections tend to be generally free and fair. If anything were to impede a referendum in Indian occupied Kashmir, it would be the Indians themselves, who have, through out their occupation, undermined practically all elections.

Pakistan should support ALL who are struggling for Kashmiri freedom, because they are in the right. A country that imposes itself on others, and deprives others of their God given rights has no moral authority to dictate to anyone else who should or shouldn't be supported. Its Ironic that Indians, who themselves had to win their own independence, are now the occupier demanding others relinquish their right to Independence.

You seem to be another person trying to argue for a continuation of the status quo. The Status quo that you are defending has led to the anguish and destruction of countless lives. The people of the Valley, who suffer at the hands of Indian Soldiers, do not accept the status quo, and neither should anyone else...

Im sorry if I find your argument hollow. The arguments will go back and forth, and the Kashmiris will be the ones who suffer. But their suffering is at the hands of Indias occupation army, not Pakistan or the separatists. The Separatists are only the natural product of Indias refusal to acknowledge the rights of the Kashmiri people. Forget about separatists. Why not admit that Indias Army is NOT wanted, that's obvious. The misery will end in Kashmir when India admits Kashmir does not belong to India, and acknowledges these peoples rights. Now if you have an actual solution which doesnt involve forcing people who dont want to be Indian, to remain with India, then im all ears.

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no they are called jammu & kashmir residents not "kashmiris", kashmiri is an ethnic group just like pahari is. if you are a punjabi, you wouldn't like to be called sindhi would you? this is the same situation there. j&k is made up of all different ethnic groups, religions and viewpoints which vary based on what kind of experiences they've had good or bad

it's not my army, it's the indian army and in j&k there are all different branches of the armed forces stationed on the piece of land, the army for the most part is at the borders, it's crpf officers that need to be reduced to a small amount so the j&k police can assume responsibilty, there was an article in dawn just recently about troops being reduced by a significant amount.

you and i don't live in j&k and we don't know what the people there have to deal with everyday.

practically looking at this issue,the debate will go on for years while j&k residents suffer

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The partition of India was not based on religion alone. According to the agreement on which the partition of India was based, the rulers of princely states, like Jammu & Kashmir, had the absolute right to decide whether they wanted to join Pakistan or India. There was never any question of holding a referendum or a plebiscite. All the same, Nehru agreed to hold a plebiscite. However, the plebiscite was meant for all the people of the state of Jammu & Kashmir and not just for those who lived in the Kashmir Valley and was never held because Pakistan refused to vacate the large parts of Jammu & Kashmir that had been occupied by its soldiers.

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Additionally, the ethnic make-up of Kashmir valley has changed over the last few decades due to the systematic cleansing of Kashmiri pundits and other non-Muslims.

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Really? How disgusting that you would malign and entire people just for your own satisfaction. Where is the evidence of this mass genocide of your pandits? Where are the Pandit camps? Who are the Pandits?

I mean you Indians constantly churn this lie about the Pandits, but not a single one of you can offer any evidence other then Indian sources themselves...

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Nisha, Im talking about the state of KAshmir. Call them whatever you like. But the bottom line is that these people do not want to be Indian and were never given the choice they deserved.

Your Army is Indias Army. Unless your not Indian. I which case, its someone else’s Army. But whoever this Army belongs too, they shouldn’t be there. Most of the human rights violations that have occurred, and do occur, are at the hands of the Indian Army.

And we thank the Indian govt for small mercies of course. But the bottom line here is that India is occupying Kashmir. Regardless of how many soldiers are pulled out, that remains the issue. So long as the Kashmiris are demanding their freedom, they should be heard.

I dont have to live in Kahsmir to know what happen’s there. Read Human rights watch, read anything on the situation. India has turned these people into prisoners. This isnt a secret what goes on there. Its simply not shown to most Indians because most Indians dont want to know. And soon as someone does speak out about it, they are villified and accoused of sedition. Look at what happned to Arundhati Roy, who dared to speak on justice for Kashmiris…
http://alexandravaliente.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/3548/

And you dont have to live under occupation to appreciate the misery of those who do.
Your humanity isnt diminished by you location…

And I doubt anything will happen in Kashmir, and the misery will continue. But its not because of Pakistan or because of Separatists. Its because of Indians refusal to acknowledge the rights of Kashmiris.

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Ms. Roy really is a hero. I mean she really embodies the ideals of Gandhi, which Indians claim to hold in such high regard.

"Earlier the author, who is currently in Srinagar, Kashmir, said in a statement: "I said what millions of people here say every day. I said what I, as well as other commentators, have written and said for years. Anybody who cares to read the transcripts of my speeches will see that they were fundamentally a call for justice.
“I spoke about justice for the people of Kashmir who live under one of the most brutal military occupations in the world; for Kashmiri Pandits who live out the tragedy of having been driven out of their homeland; for Dalit soldiers killed in Kashmir whose graves I visited on garbage heaps in their villages in Cuddalore; for the Indian poor who pay the price of this occupation in material ways and who are now learning to live in the terror of what is becoming a police state.” "

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Now dont call BBC an Indian source too…

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No one denies that there were Hindus who were murdered and expelled. No one is condoning such things.

What questionable is your claim that its a continuing process, that its was a kind of coordinated program against Pandits, and the scale that you claim it to be.

It disgusting that people such as you, use the plight of the Pandits, to justify a far a greater crime committed on the people of Kashmir. You latch on to the Pandits because you need some moral equivalance to justify the real crime in occupied Kashmir.

Its the typical Indian narrative, and every single Indian will bring up these fabled Pandits ad nauseam in order clear their conscience of all moral obligation to the people your Army is terrorizing.
You use the Pandits as way to deny the rights of Millions of people. Pathetic.

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But

Shivani Sharma is a presenter on world affairs for the BBC’s Hindi service

is..

Now would you like to know more about Muslims killed/raped by terrorist in Uniform in IOK?

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Med - correct me if I am wrong. The original J&K is now split almost equally among India, Pakistan and China. I would call that a fair split. Yes, Nehru promised plebiscide. But not sure the word of one person should hold sway. Just as Punjab got split, (as opposed to whole Punjab going to one country), so has J&K been split. May not be a perfect solution. But not as bad as you make it appear.

Did some homework. Per this link, I had some facts wrong - Jammu and Kashmir - Wikipedia

India occupies 60% of old Kashmir, Pakistan 30%, China 10%.
Muslim population in Old Kashmir in 1947 was 77% (or 3:1).
Current population in J&K (India part) is 67% muslim

Sorry for the errors.

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I never said that there is continuing oppression of the Pandits. Most pandits have already been driven out of Kashmir by Pak supported foreign mercenaries, who have no affiliation whatsoever with Kashmir. The Pandits who still remain are no longer a threat to the referendum, since their number is not meaningful anymore.

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BBC would not endorse a program/broadcast/article unless they agreed with it.

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Yeah sure, they must have had inside info about Iraqs WMD too... Now lets move on to the killings and rape of innocnet Kashmiris by terrorist in uniform shall we...

You think ISI must have got to Human Rights watch and UN and Oh wait, wikilieak becomes a wikilie when they shed some light on the subject.

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Your response does not make any sense :hoonh: Its been proven multiple times that the most killings/rape in Kashmir have been carried out by Kashmiris themselves and by Pak supported foreign mercenaries. Additionally, as proven by the Shopian “rape” case often times the vested interests claim “rape” to discredit India, and then the forensics prove that the “victim” was a virgin thereby ruling out rape. You need to look beyond the your usual rape/murder/oppression/genocide propaganda that you are fed and use common sense for a change.