How much of the bible we muslims believe?
Well if its in its original unaltered form we believe in all of it. Jesus(as) never said he was the son of Allah, the Trinity, and Holy spirit we dont believe in that,and that is where we differ. Quran talks a lot about Jesus(as) that is how we come to know which part is true and which is not. What Jesus(as) taught was islam, and like all the other prophets they all conveyed the message of Allah. Muhammad(saw) is the final messenger of Allah with the final Book the Quran. If u want a detailed answer start another thread
CH,
Islam is simply submitting to the will of God. All prophets did.
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Nadia,
I have always thought that the message Jesus brought of peace, non-violence, tolerance and acceptance was the most important (and appealing) aspect of Christianity. The Quran seems more like the Old Testament with its many rules and punishments prescribed. And it seems that many of the things Jesus taught (from the Bible, which you may see as incorrect) were not followed by Mohammed or his followerers.
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How do you know if the message brought by Jesus was "complete" i.e. downloaded completely when he was "crucified" (and hence no further public appearance) at age of 33?
Also, the main message was "God is one, pray Him alone", perhaps his approach might be a "peaceful" one, but is there anything wrong if you defend yourself?
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My question to you is I have my sources Such as islamic scholars, website , text and sayings of Mufti to back me up with my posting..! what u have.. ?
and dont bluntly just asnwer me , quran and sunnah.. casue even quran and sunnah have things have double meaning to it..
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Brother Fadi, which source is better? Quran & Sunnah or "scholars", "mufti"?
"How do you know if the message brought by Jesus was "complete" i.e. downloaded completely when he was "crucified" (and hence no further public appearance) at age of 33?"
Do you think that God would have let him die before he had fully delivered the message? No, that would not make any sense.
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Do you think that God would have let him die before he had fully delivered the message? No, that would not make any sense.
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Why not? He passed us the actual message of Allah swt being The Only God, that was the main reason so does it really matter if ALL of his sharea was delievered or not? Where is the ORIGINAL book revealed to him? (no translation/explanations)
The transmission of the Bible bears a remarkable resemblance to the method of transmission of the narratives attributed to the Porphet of Islam.
Anyone questioniong the authenticity of the Bible must look inwards and first declare the corpse of hadith literature equally unreliable.
Blitz, interesting quotes.
Just wondering - do you know what Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) stated in his last speech (which is believed, according to Islam, to have been delivered on Mount Arafat in Mecca), vis-a-vis women? Could you post it here to go alongwith your previous quotes?
Muchas gracias.
blitz,
Don't forget to mention which 'version' u're posting.. even an important sermon delivered in the presence of hundreds of men has several versions.... perfect memories.. yeah right.
anyone who believes that 'hadith' blitz mentioned has fallen into the trap of fabricated narrations.. a prophet who was supposed to have been extra kind to women and a noble and respectful person could never have been so downright derogatory towards women in his speech.
As far as Islam being a religion spread by the sword, I think that's a great exaggeration, especially when you consider some of the most populous Muslim countries in the World were converted by traders. Considering European History during the Inquisitions and the US treatment of the spread of America by the gun, I think the hypocricy many in the West show is just sad. Considering the 20th Century was one of the bloodiest Centuries in human existence, Islam and Muslims were at best very marginal players.
On another note most religious scholars and anthorpologists refer to Judaism, Christianity and Islam as the Abrahmic religions.
Lastly, The Quran at no place infers women are inferior. It does proscribe more responsibilities on men then Women (and that's not really to the mens advantage!).
Just something to add to PA's comment. the passing down of stories in perfect memory was something of an art form in many cultures. While it may seem odd to us now in the age of the 3 second attention span. Those were different eras.
Thanks, Zakk. i have yet to read a post/thread of yours in which i haven't learned something useful.
Very polite & informative Masha'Allah - keep it up.
Question for fadi_ali:
You mention in your original post that women are "less" intelligent than men. I may've missed some of the discussion in this thread (even though I tried to read most of the posts), but I don't see a hadith or quranic verse supporting this point. As far as my knowledge of Islam goes (which is pretty small), women are different (and physically weaker) than men, but I've never read anyone mentioning mental weakness (nor do I think Islam ever claimed it). In practice that may seem to be the case (esp. in 3rd world countries, where women have very little oppurtunities), but that has to do with how much opportunity one gets and how much effort one puts to learn.
and, just out of curiousity, exactly what do you mean by "intelligence". In school it was measured based on one's grades, and I think most people will agree that, given EQUAL motivation/opportunity/resources, average grades for men and women tend to be the same (might differ in different fields; but being better in some area, e.g. math, doesn't make someone "more" intelligent).
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**Blitz*,
.................Could you post it here to go alongwith your previous quotes?
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Offended again Nadia? N.E wayz I have no idea where to find that.
Could you kindly do the needful?
Thanks a bunch!
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blitz,
Don't forget to mention which 'version' u're posting..
.....anyone who believes that 'hadith' blitz mentioned has fallen into the trap of fabricated narrations.
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Hey if you get bad news ... don't kill the messenger boy
F.Y.I, I did'nt "fabricate" that hadith.
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perfect memories.. yeah right.
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I have no clue what you mean here!
Where exactly do you draw a line on which hadiths to believe and which ones to not??
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The transmission of the Bible bears a remarkable resemblance to the method of transmission of the narratives attributed to the Porphet of Islam.
Anyone questioniong the authenticity of the Bible must look inwards and first declare the corpse of hadith literature equally unreliable.
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Bible is supposed to be "Quran's" equivalent, and not "Hadith" equivalent or am I wrong?
everyone can have their own filter. I’d rather have multiple narrators at the source.. at least four people must have heard it directly and then the same going down the entire chain of narrators.. ooops.. that prolly just ruled out the entire corpse of hadith literature!
Bible as we have today was not dictated by the Prophets but is from later recollections of people we accept to have been associated with the Prophets. Accounts are second hand and from memory, very similar to the method of compilation of hadiths.
Here’s an interesting something on the historical accuracy of the Old Testament.
*What did the prophet Jeremiah mean when he denounced the “Torah” - which we know as the Five Books of Moses - as “lies from the false pen of scribes”?
It was once almost universally accepted that the Old Testament was a truthful account of the past. Now the early part of the story is generally accepted as mythical - despite the best efforts of numerous television programmes to find Noah’s Ark, Sodom and Gomorrah and the exact location of the Garden of Eden!
But it now appears that almost the whole thing may be a work of fiction. Archaeologists and biblical scholars are now asserting that the Exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and their conquest of the Promised Land of Canaan simply never happened. *
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Offended again Nadia? N.E wayz I have no idea where to find that.
Could you kindly do the needful? Thanks a bunch!
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Not offended again. That was an old reply of mine. As per your request:
...it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right, then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers.
Read the first page of this thread and all I wanted to ask what would you get out of this if one can find out that either male or female is superior or inteligent?
One ALLAH,
Muhammad (PBUH) is the lsat prophet,
Quran is the final book,
Faith,
Pray,
Zakat,
Fast,
Pilgrimage
Do you have time for anything else? If you do I guess something is missing.
armughal actually posed some questions to you in the following thread the last time you said something similar. Care to address them now?
Iqbal