As I recall Rashid Minhas delibretely crashed his plane, now from religious point of view will it be called suicide?
Please correct me if I am wrong, I don’t think it happened in any of the wars.
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Rashid Minhas Shaheed died in battle. There was no other way for him to stop the flow of "Top Secret" info from Pakistan to India. Therefore he crashed the plane and killed the guy and died. This kind of death against opposing party in war-type situation is highly dispuatable. I do not know if one is allowed to commit suicide even in war even to kill opponent. And another thing I dont know is how could Rashid Minhas have been sure that the other guy was a spy and was gonna trade secrets with India??? Perhaps he should have waited to find out what happens?? Perhaps the secrets were not worth his life, perhaps they were, im stumped.
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^^
The bengali instructor was supposed to be grounded at the time, so Rashid Minhas knew Rehman had no right to be in a plane. Secondly, he didn't try sabotage the plane immediately. He waited until it was close to the Indian border (32 miles, just a couple of minutes away).
When a grounded pilot, suspected like all Pakistani bengali personnel of being loyal to the separatist cause, gets into a plane he's not supposed to be in and is minutes away from entering Indian airspace, it's clear that he's your enemy.
The knowledge leaked to India by PAF defectors like Motiur Rehman crippled the pakistani war effort. Most importantly, they told India the locations and capabilities of Pakistani Air Defence radar. Throughout the war of 71, Indian planes would sneak through the gaps and do surprise attacks.
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^^ I see, that clears things up alot.
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On another forum, which I'm not allowed to link to, someone detailed some of the findings of the investigation.
Witnesses who saw the plane before it crashed reported it was flying very erratically, leading PAF investigators to suspect that a fight was taking place between the two pilots, sat one behind the other.
Rashid Minhas's body was found at the crash site strapped in; but Moti-ur-Rehman was found well away from the site - it was clear that he was not strapped in.
The theory is that Rashid Minhas ejected the canopy over the cockpit, and the forces of suction sucked Moti ur Rehman out of the airplane.
However, the plane was flying relatively low at the time (Moti-ur-Rehman would have wanted to fly below radar level to avoid being intercepted in the slow-flying trainer). If Rehman had accidentally hit the control stick on the way out, the plane would have been thrown violently to one side.
Minhas, being an inexperienced pilot, would have had no chance to correct the plane before it hit the ground.
Some of this is conjecture; none the less, the fact remains that Minhas was the only person in the plane when it crashed. he was clearly unable to control it after Motiurrehman was thrown out of it.
In other words, rather than killing himself to kill Moti-ur-Rehman, this could simply have been an accident cause by Moti-ur-rehman unintentially throwing the plane off balance at low altitude while he was being sucked out after the the canopy was ejected.
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^ Thanks for sharing this information. I didn't know all this.
Religiously speaking, another side of this incident was that both pilots were Muslim. One was fighting for his country with other who wants to be seperated.
Pakistani seeing Bengalis as traitors or getting help of India to be seperated from Pakistan.
Bengali seeing Pakistanis as oppressors who have treated them as mites and have looted them and raped their women.
Now who was right and who was wrong in this particular struggle and in the broader picture millitary personal (in action) died of both sides during 1971 conflict.
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Ulema have different opinion about whether one can thro his life away in anticipation of causing the enemy ( Enemy means enemy of Muslims) some harm, most ulema have however allowed it .
IN Fatuhu ush sham ALlama Waqidi have narrated some instances of attempts like suicidal attacks by shahbah:razi: and Ta’baen :reh: , will try to give specific references once i get back to my home(outstation right now).
Please search net for heriocs of Hadrat KHald Bin waleed:razi: , Hadrat Zarrar bin Azwar:razi: , hadrat Akrama bin abu jehal:razi: and hadrat damas abul haul :reh:
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At any rate, given that we do not know for sure if he deliberately crashed the plane or not, and some evidence supports that he did not, such discussions are idle speculation.
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he gave up his life to save his country....
definitely a shaheed....
if a person dies while saving 1 rupee of his hard-earned money, he is a shaheed....
so what wud u say about someone who died to save a nation????
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Mughal, read my post and answer it if you can. My point is Bengaliz and Pakistaniz were both Muslims and had valid reasons to fight each other. Remember we didn't do any good to them, so their retaliation can't be ruled out altogether.
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What about sucide bombings in Palestine, you are killing israelis yes but what about civilians and kids that get killed at times?? They are not waging any war against anyone. (pls don't use the not intentionaly excuse, when you climb in a bus carrying kids as well, your target might be someone else but you do know kids will end up getting hurt), keep this in mind and then can someone tell me if this is allowed??
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surely suicide bombing is not allowed in islam...........but how can you compare between the situation in palestine and rashid minhas.
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Now who was right and who was wrong in this particular struggle and in the broader picture millitary personal (in action) died of both sides during 1971 conflict.
i think bagali person was wrong bcoz he was helping kuffar or he was getting help from kuffars.
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And his view point of Pakistanis being oppressors and rapists?
If a Muslim is killed, humiliated and raped by another Muslim, can he get a help of a non-muslim to combat with the zaalim? While the non-muslim will also benefitted by weakening him?
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It was a simple question, not a comparison.
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Rishad Minhas sacrificed his life for the sake of country. No civilians died due to his actions. Compare his actions to the namelss cowards who blow themselves and civilians up in the name of what? Chaos? These idiots don't even announce themselves or their cause so what are they accomplishing aside from anarchy?
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For those of you arguing about this war between Muslims, you underestimate the power of nationalism, which is the story of the Twentieth century. Some people want to believe that Muslims consider their "islam" to be the overarching identity but that is not facing the reality of this world.
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Pakistan's East Pakistan administration drew most of its local support from Bengali Islamists. Take what you want from that.
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^exactly, that is what I am saying. One can't say who is right and who is wrong. Both sides have their valid reasons to go against each other. So we don't know who was shaheed and who was not or they both were wrong fighting to another Muslim.
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Is it possible for both to be shaheed, they were both fighting for their country, doing good for their muslim brothers.
I don't think its possible but just want people's opinion.