Why is his captaincy being questioned? This is one-off incident whether or not it can be challenged and proved otherwise, his integrity and dedication have never been in doubt.
I saw the catch and I don't think Rashid should be accused of cheating on account of that incident. Technically it WAS a drop because he let go of the ball, but he pouched it brilliantly and rolled over a couple of times and only let go of the ball as he was getting up. It was borderline, Rashid's no cheat.
^ Abey Mike Procter said that. So go and fight with him. Btw - If you are the captain of the team, you do have an extra responsibility and should try to lead by example.
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I saw the catch and I don't think Rashid should be accused of cheating on account of that incident. Technically it WAS a drop because he let go of the ball, but he pouched it brilliantly and rolled over a couple of times and only let go of the ball as he was getting up. It was borderline, Rashid's no cheat.
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I saw it as well and I fully agree with you. So there's no question about his captaincy, because it has been very good and I hope it will remain very good.
Indeed… Consider for instance Wasim Akram, when he was the captain. As a lethal fast strike bowler, and even when he was the captain he used to appeal to alot of LBW decisions, and to be honest, he would know alot of them were very close, but not out, but he got the umpires to raise the finger with enthusiastic appealing, now that doesnt mean just because he was the captain he should have not done that at all. Hes still a strike bowler and has to take wickets, and besides, excessive appealing is also a mental approach to get the batsmen under extreme pressure and get them out later on. All fast bowlers do that, and sometimes even if the umpire is neutral, hes bound to raise the finger. Remember, there was a time when an umpire was forced to raise the finger after the aggressive and prolonged appealing by Viv Richards? Latif should have had a 2 or 3 match ban, 5 is a bit too harsh, especially for a good sportsman like him. Now Im not a big Latif fan, Im moin all the way, but this 5 match ban to him is unjust.
Atlast we hear from people who actually saw it (Xtreme & Umer) instead of 5th party reports. That's why PCB should support Rashid and fight to lift the ban. Whether they succeed or not does not matter. It is VERY important for team morale that PCB takes it up.
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take it ezz tom ......rashid, his sin in this game will soon be forgotten because he's by far the most honest and upright person in pakistani cricket 2day. so get a life and get over it !
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AKP, you may have misunderstood me. My point is that Rashid and PCB should actively protest and fight the ban. Otherwise it amounts to admitting guilt which is catastrophic for team and personal credibility. Why the heck is not the PCB jumping up and down - after all mistakes do happen on the field and a steep ban such as this ruins that man's career (assuming he didn't do it on purpose) and the team's morale.
The PCB couldn't wait 5 seconds before announcing Inzi as replacement. Put yourself in Rashid's shoes and think. After the world cup loss, he was brought in. Now if the team lost to BD can he ever live it down? Such was the pressure he must have been under. While the rest of world may not empathise with that, atleast the pakistani players, PCB and fans MUST show support to him - instead of announcing Inzi and making no +ve move to fight the ban.
Your captain got no support and that is sad
Agreed Tom. A 5 match ban should be contested although there WAS a case for a complaint by the Bengalis. It was hardly a case of blatant cheating which is what the ban would suggest. Bans like this should only be imposed if the matter is beyond doubt otherwise it's a slur on the layer's character and for someone of Rashid's integrity that's on - this is the guy who gave up international cricket rather than get involved in match-fixing. It's BS.
Yea no matter how much I am against Latif being captain I think ban is unjust!
I saw the catch yesterday in Pak news. At first glance, nothing seemed out of ordinary. Lateef jumped in front of first slip and brilliantly "caught" the catch. After getting the ball in his gloves, he rolled over a few times (natural if you leap in the air on your right). After the rolls, he got up and was bouncing the ball between both hands. All is fine. Then, the TV cameras changed the angle, and showed a slow-motion replay from the camera positioned at deep mid-off. He caught the ball alright (it disappeared in his gloves), and he fell to the ground and rolled over. Then just as he was getting up, we see the ball is lying on the ground. He casually picks it up, stands up and then we see him giggling and smiling as he is congratulated by his team-mates.
Now, at what stage did the ball get out of his gloves and on to the ground? The match referee decided that for a "fair catch" he should have held on to the ball till he has stabilized in his movements. Rashid's claim is that he caught the catch, and was throwing the ball at Inzimam in joy, when it fell on the ground. If you look at the leap in the air and the subsequent rolls, that was no position to be throwing the ball at anyone. It is a time when one is just getting the bearings back. And more importantly, its obvious that Rashid picked the ball from the ground, so no one can say that he didn't knew the ball didn't pop out of his gloves.
Now, this is for those who have not seen the footage. Make up your minds.
While cricket captains have been convicted of cheating before (remember that Brit captain who had sand in his pocket?) it remains to be a matter of judgement whether that should impact their leadership abilities. In some ways, cheating is worse than picking a fight with the umpire. Both get you in trouble, however the latter proves you are competitive, the former proves you are a liar and not a gentleman.
Ramiz Raja said yesterday that Lateef has not decided to appeal. PCB will review the situation on Monday to decide if there is any point in going forward with an appeal process.
Thanks. If your account is true then I'd switch my vote to he cheated. There's no way you "throw" the ball while still rolling and there's no way you don't know you 'picked up' the ball from the ground.
To prevent further damage Rashid should quit on his own.
I just saw Faisal's description of the catch in the other thread. If that's accurate, looks like Rashid should have known he didn't have the catch. Too bad.
Ehsan bahi, i think you have to lock this thread too, if these ppl's dont stop talking like this..
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To prevent further damage Rashid should quit on his own.
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Ya..sure..If cricketers will listen to your great suggestions then the next day, the name of Cricket will be disappear.
There's no need for him to quit as a captian. He should follow on. Five match ban is enough for him if he is REALLY guilty of it.
Options in the survey looks kinds biased.
We have 2 negative options available, 1 positive and one nutral. I think either you take out "May Be" Or also add "May Be Not". Not that anyone has voted as "May be" but just a thought for future surveys :)
I think its absolutely vital that Rashid continues- for now anyway.
Rightnow we have selection dilemmas all over the place. Atleast captaincy is kinda settled.
I'd like to see Rashid go after the tour to NZ. Thats when he promised to go and that will probably be the right time to go. Our team will probably be somewhat settled by then if selectors stop bringing all the sifarishis into the side.
Even if Junaid Zia gets 7 wickets on debut, i would still oppose his inclusion. He just doesnt deserves a place in the side. There are half a dozen fasties who've been working their a*s off in Pak's heat, trying to win a place. Yet against Bengalis- the weakest opposition- chairman's son gets a run. What a joke!
*rana no. 1
The kind of language you just used (and is deleted) is not acceptable here. Shape up.
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I saw it too...didn't c anything wrong with it...Rashid Latif should not quit now...he is doing a fine job ...ICC is just biased...if it was to be a eng player or Aus player they wouldn't have ban them but since hez an asian play...they showed no mercy..
Re: Should Rashid Latif continue as captain after his suspension?
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Rashid Latif, Pakistan's captain, has been banned for five one-day internationals after being found guilty of violating the International Cricket Council's Code of Conduct during the third Test against Bangladesh at Multan.
Should Rashid continue as captain of Pakistan's team after his suspension?
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i think its ridiculous to suggest that rashid shd be fired just because he wasnt honest in taking a catch. this thing has hapened in the past as well i forget the name of the aussie player]. i don think it has nething to do with his captaincy. and yes the pcb shd have challenged the ban. mayb they dint do that coz they dint want to be at loggerheads again with the icc. still one shd stand for the truth.
latif has done well as captain and as player in last six months. he gets along pretty well with everyone, and he shd continue until we dont find another long term captain. @ this point, the "y-men" is NOT a suitable man for the job. i hope in 1-2 yrs he will be...
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Thanks. If your account is true then I'd switch my vote to he cheated. There's no way you "throw" the ball while still rolling and there's no way you don't know you 'picked up' the ball from the ground.
To prevent further damage Rashid should quit on his own.
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ya he shd quit the job because of a flippin catch and just because some people with high authority think he's not been honest and that it is out of character of a captain to do so. how ridiculous such a thought is...