But past behavior is certainly a strong testament of character. If Latif had called back batsmen in the past - why would he have done it if he was a cheat? I agree that the prospect of losing to BD might add some pressure but I'd like to maintain some faith in man kind that a normally honest person will not lie just for a cricket match. May be naive.
I just cannot see a captain of a decent team lying knowingly.
PS: I have not seen the clip - so I realize I may be wrong in my faith on Latif
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anyways the matter should be closed as far as Rashid is concerned coz i dont think he will get any sort of relaxation... and appealing will only prolong the issue.
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Meekly accepting and closing it would forever tarnish pakistan's victory over BD as a fraud perpetrated by its captain. IMO this should be taken more seriously taken up by PCB than anything else and is second only to the match fixing stuff.
Saby - read it properly, I didn’t relae to it cronje incident, I just quoted some of your friends who, when Sachin Tendulkar was handed a suspened ban by Mike Dennes, had made above statements quoted by me.
Are you telling me that Mike Proctor is lying ?? Here is what he said :-
**“Mr Latif should have known that he had not completed a catch,” said Procter.
“I have found him guilty of a Level 3 offence of Unfair Play under the ICC Code of Conduct and suspended him for five one-day International matches.” **
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^^ so you are saying in other words that Rashid has done it before and didnt get caught??
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When did I say that ?? I couldn't care less because look at what was at stake here in Multan, Pakistan trailing by 70+ runs and Bangladesh batting pair of Rajen Saleh and Kapali were kinda a settled down...may be a Test loss to Bangladesh, biggest humiliation of his life...I hope you get the point.
I am only saying that you guys have double standards...and you beat every one hands down.
I m NOT saying that Procter is lying. I m saying that there always are different perceptions of one issue. IMO he got that one wrong.
First of all, i dont wanna go round in circles with endless arguments coz you have startes ASSUMING things i.e. what was at stake, bla bla bla biggest humiliation bla bla bla. And disuccsions based on assumptions are most of the time end fruitless. So we can safely agree to disagree.
i havent seen the clip, so i cant say wat hapend, but sure he is a very honest cricketer. wat i can assure ev one here is that if someone like gilchrist or stewart or boucher had done that they would’ve gone away with it. cricket is still one of the most racist sports in the world. if latif did that to save him some humiliation then well i can understand that, but wats wrong is wrong. this ban would do nothing to lower the respect and regard people have for him, he still is a man of honor. and i’d also like to add that this news is enough to bring some excitement in the misreble lives of tom and asif !!! so guyz go ahead enjoy ur time…!
Yeh Bangali baray Kameenay hain!..salay Shikayatee Tattto!
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if latif did that to save him some humiliation then well i can understand that, but wats wrong is wrong. this ban would do nothing to lower the respect and regard people have for him, he still is a man of honor.
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Sit down and eat your breakfast first kiddo. You just said "if he lied to save his honour then he is a man of honour".
If pakistan does not take appeal and fight this ban, the victory against BD is illgotten.
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Sit down and eat your breakfast first kiddo. You just said "if he lied to save his honour then he is a man of honour".
If pakistan does not take appeal and fight this ban, the victory against BD is illgotten.
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nopes not really. Victory is Inzimam's and Pakistan's regardless of that incident.
I didn't see the incident so can't comment on it. However, lets tone down the arguments. I know one thing and agree with earthquake here, if it happens to a white player either he does not get banned or just gets a rap. If it happens to a player from the sub continent than the punishment is always severe.
So whether it is Rashid or Tendulkar they will always get punished severely.
As to double standards well everyone has it. If it is Tendulkar then no Indian wants to accept that he could have been involved in ball tampering and the whole of the Indian nation was up in arms. Now it is Rashid the Paksitanis won't accpet it either that he was wrong. So instead of pointing fingers maybe we should look at the fact that we are being victimised by these white refrees.
Look at the incident a few months ago when Shoaib was caught tampering with the ball. he was banned for only two matches, partly because the refree was an Asian, otherwise he would also have got a 5 match ban.
I think this whole discussion is moot now. What he may have been before is something else. Right now, he has been convicted of cheating. Cricket is a gentleman's game. We can debate till cows come home whether he has been unfairly treated, the fact is, there was a complaint, there is a video clip and there is a decision by the match referee that says that Rashid Lateef is a cheater, and therefore, Lateef is banned for next five ODI's. PCB has moved along by appointing Inzi as captain.
More than the five lame matches against BD, this decision will stick to Lateef as a proof that he was convicted of cheating. This is really a shameful occassion for Lateef and Pakistani cricket.
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More than the five lame matches against BD, this decision will stick to Lateef as a proof that he was convicted of cheating. This is really a shameful occassion for Lateef and Pakistani cricket.
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Which is why pakistani cricket should not take it lying down. It only confirms the team won by cheating. Worse, Latif will never again be able to appeal for a catch
i find the whole incident pretty amusing 
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i mean…jeez…he appealed..and got the appeal…there have been many incidents in which wrong decisions have been given…i particularly remember the incident in sharjah…when inzi “dropped” a catch at first slip…but aravinda was given OUT by the 3rd umpire……it didn’t tarnish anyone’s image…and i don’t think this incident will tarnish Latif’s image either…
so would it be wise to say that bangladesh nearly won the match cuz of the bad decision against younis khan ..
did mongia stop appealing even though he became well known for excessive appealing……
No it won't be wise. But it will be said. Being from a captain, a lot. That's why the PCB and fans should come to Latif's defence - not by trying to meekly accepting and hoping it'll go away but by appealing against the ban.
I just don't think a person can become a liar all of a sudden.
I agree with Faisal here. It doesnt matter if he had a clean image or not, he is convicted of cheating. I think Rashid shouls definetley appeal agaisnt it and it he is still proven guilty I personally dont think he should be made the captain agai. PCB is supposidley trying to introduce new culture in the Pakistan cricket team and we dont need someone who is convicted of cheating to be leading the side.
I can understand he could have cheated in desperation just to make sure we dont loose the match. But as Faisal mentioned cricket is gentleman's game and everyone should try to win but in a fair way. Umpiring decisions are out of control. I think ICC should also do something about umpiring errors. Anyway if Rashid is guilty he deserves the punishment, I havent seen the video so I can comment on that but Rashid's defense makes sense too that he tossed the ball to Inzi after finishing the catch.
Can someone post the picture if they have of the catch in question.
I would say that Mr Latif's career is practically over.
This guy has brought disgrace in victory for Pakistan.
His character and integrity is in shambles.
He is somebody who was known to bring to light the whole controversial issue of " Match-fixing ".
He then made the "Strange" statement of ," Allowing the Bangladeshis to perform in first two tests...", ....... What did he mean by allowing to perform??, he and his counterparts wer not performing to the best of thair abilities??? Was'n that implied Match fixing??
And now he is found guilty of being a dishonest character.
Guys dont worry, poor tommy boy was expecting a win from bangladesh, now that it didnt happen, he has to shed tears in some form or another. Just ignore that clumsy cacoon.
Spocksy, I am still not as convinced as you guys and dolls are about Rashid's guilt. Did he do it on purpose?
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Spocksy, I am still not as convinced as you guys and dolls are about Rashid's guilt. Did he do it on purpose?
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Did u see me make comments about whether he cheated or not? To me its no different from Kumble making an appeal for an LBW he knows its not even close... If there can be 6-8 wrong LBW decision in one match, one catch to me aint a big deal.