Rangers kill Innocent Man in Karachi

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I am sure there is a background to the story as you have mentioned but thing is whatever he did before camera started rolling, we can see when he was shot he was neither a threat to rangers/public nor was he trying to run away. It was basically a cold blooded murder. Additionally, if we give ranges the excuse of "conditions they work in", next step will be every citizen settling the score themselves coz general public is also no less suppressed.

by bringing Rangers personals to justice, we can send messages to both criminals and law enforcement personals that their @#$@#$ will not be tolerated anymore.

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very well said!! :k:

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Nikema has made some really valid points.

It is an appalling incident and it shows lawlessness at its peak. Whatever the guy did, he deserved to be held to a trial or etc.

And I absolutely hate the media for showing the video again and again and again.. There is already some mixed feeligns for armed forces. And media is intensifying those feelings. All five fingers are not the same and media is once again proving to be what it actually is.. irresponsible!!!!!

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CB, I beg to differ. Maybe you will notice too Kamyab bhai clearly stated in his very 1st para that he does not defend or support the law enforcement agencies taking law in their own hands.

To add to this, its been a norm in Karachi specifically where snatching has been going on so frequently that the whole public of Karachites is absolutely sick and tired of and have been praying for this menace to end, something which Kamyab bhai is probably aware of hence his reaction to it, what you see is what you choose to believe in. And no, they don't take it as a reason to leave Karachi or in all Pakistan, they love the country hence choose to stay in no matter if their lives are at stake.

I'll provide you with a few examples of what happens if you question the snatchers, let alone choose to fight for whats yours, even if its a piece of electronic, or paper.

A couple were at seaview enjoying gol guppas when a few robbers knocked on their car windows and asked for whatever they had, the guy hesitated and was shot in the head, it had been no more than 2 days since the 2 were married and the wife was left there looking at her newly wed husband who was absolutely silent and hence dead.

An old aged man while taking some cash he needed out of the bank atm was met with a robber who held him at gunpoint inside the atm, was shot until dead for a few thousand rupees. The video of the incident is scattered around on youtube.

I'm sure the above are as much disturbing to cause heartaches to anyone hence I won't go on, but trust me there are a few more examples. And yes, most of the above incidents were sadly carried out by MQM activists.

Last but not the least, I fail to call this particular incident fair and no matter what the ordeal, the deceased did deserve a fair trial just like every Pakistani.

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:k:

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I’m sure someone must have posted this vid earlier but I just saw it and it pretty much says the whole story of our country:

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The hook of this song is so sick.

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The unarmed boy who was marcilessly killed by these vicious Rangers was under 19 and his family was from Bagh, Azad Kashmir.

Justice in Pakistan lol? Has justice ever been served here? Thousands of people from Karachi and Hyderabad were killed by these Rangers in the 1980s and 90s. Forget justice people don't even remember those people. The 30 thousand + people who have died in these terrorist attacks, has justice ever been served to them? No instead the great pakistani Army is friends with these terrorist groups. Innocent Asia bibi who is waiting to be hanged for being a Christian in an Islamic country, is justice going to be served to her? No it's not. The brothers from Sialkot that were killed and lynched by a whole mob with Police men being involed, was justice served to them? No.

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This sort of thing goes on ALL the time in Pak. But lets be honest, we are not unique in this regard. The only difference here is that this time it was caught on camera. Extra judicial killings happen ALL the time in many countries, but never get caught. Injustice isnt confined to Pakistan, its part of the common human condition.

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I am wondering why people are accepting Ranger's opinion about him being a robber. It was just an allegation on him. And even if he was a robber, and even if he had killed anyone else (he did not), still rangers' had no right to be the justice, the jury, and the executioner themselves.

No one should justify such killings, even if that of a criminal. It will destroy the society, and it will wipe out people's trust on forces. (Actually, no one trusts these brutes).

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Ofcourse they had no right to kill him regardless of his crime. There is something called innocent until proven guilty, and it applies to all accused, in any country. As far as anyone here is concerned, he was innocent.

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There can be NO justification for this killing.
If he was a thief **than rangers personnel were cold blooded **murderers.
If he deserved punishment for HIS crime then so do those criminals in uniform for THEIR crime.

That's what people are demanding. And there can be no two opinions about it.

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Of course there will be denials, read ChunkMonkey's post, it wasn't like Rangers stopped him and killed him, he was handed over to Rangers by someone who caught him, he was looting people earlier.

I don't think anybody here is trying to justify killing, this situation is exactly like Sialkot lynching, the only difference is that the killing was done by public in case of Sialkot while here it is done by Rangers.

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What's the point?
Read post no. 72.

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Ditto.. :k:

There are no "if"s or "But"s.. You cannot even argue that, its soo below humanity.

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Depressing! No rule of law and injustice by those who should be implementing the law.

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Whats the point? The point was that it wasn't just "allegation" on him, I do agree with post 72 no doubt the killers must be brought to justice.

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Lets look at it this way ... 9 people got killed in Sheikupura ... a little ticker runs on a leading news channel ....

How many of you noticed it?????? or cared to react ???? or cared to condemn it???? how many????

You must be thankful to the media for bringing the ugly faces of the truth in front of us , so at least we know what is happening and how we are slowly rotting away ... What you see with your own eyes , forces you to react ... for justice , for truth .... otherwise sub ghar mai , quilt mai ghus kai , khana kha ki , tv dekh ki so ray hotay hain ....

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After looking at the video and listening to what this youngster was saying and reading the reports on various Pakistani news websites. I think this guy was caught committing a grave crime.
*Being victim of this kind of crime two times in my life. I know the feelings of those who are held on gun point and if these victim get a chance and kill a criminal in the act I am all for it. *
If this guy in fact was caught in the act and if he was killed by even someone from the mob I would have no problem with it either.
If it is all true that he was caught while robbing two women then to me this guy was looking in the eyes of death anyway , he knew he is playing with fire and one day he will die at the hand of his victim or law enforcement folks.
From the footage it looks like that he was daring enough to commit his crime in the light of the day.
His brother being a journalist , and having old mother and father at his home does not make this guy an angel. This guy had his own life and knew what he was doing , again if at all he was caught robbing two women.

If he was trying to run away or if he was fighting for his life in any way then this killing would have been justified.

Now the fact that this guy got shot by law enforcement folks while he was subdued and was not running away and had given up himself at the mercy of law enforcement folks and got shot while pleading for his life is disturbing.

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Amazing how Rangers made up a story about the kid dying in a shootout but after the Video leaked they took their statements back.