Ramzan Mubarak or Ramadan Kareem?

I just came across this blog and it made me chuckle…so tell me…do all these semantics offend your sensibilities in any way?

http://beta.dawn.com/news/652224/ramazan-mubarak-or-ramadan-kareem.

Ramzan Mubarak or Ramadan Mubarak?

As Ramadan began (yes, that’s what I call the Muslim holy month for fasting, guilty as charged), I was driving down a crowded road on Karachi. Besides the many attractive billboards with the Katrinas and the Deepikas selling Pakistani consumer items, a billboard caught my fancy. It had dates, a tasbeeh, a woman’s hands outstretched in earnest prayer, and gigantic letters in both English and Arabic saying “Ramadan Kareem”.

The Ramadan Kareem trend has caught on, yes. It is the “in” thing, the somewhat cooler way of greeting each other on the start of this most amazing of months for a Muslim. Facebook status updates are full of it. And it’s not just Ramadan Kareem. Let Eid come and you will be hearing a lot more of “Eid Saeed” than you have ever before. The hard-core pro-Arabic group will not like it when you say Ramazan Mubarak; they will insist on using the more Arabic counterpart, and quizzically look at you as if asking, “Are you stuck in the ‘60s or what? Ramazan Mubarak? Who says that anymore?”

But then there are those refuse to give up on what they fiercely guard as “our culture”. And so they hold on religiously to Ramazan Mubarak, and Eid Mubarak. If you dare say “Ramadan Kareem” in front of them, that’s a dead give away to them that you have frequented Saudi Arabia a bit too much or you are on way to becoming a “fundo”. They are offended by the “Al” and the “Bin” prefixes that we see on names of roadside Dhaabas, behind mini-busses and in the names of little boys studying in hoity-toity elitist schools.

The discourse doesn’t really stop here. There is this volatile debate about whether we should use “Allah Hafiz” or “Khuda Hafiz”. While I personally prefer saying Allah Hafiz, I recall one incident in which I hurt someone’s sensibilities so much when I said “Khuda Hafiz” that she got up and left the room, announcing that she cannot bear testimony by being present where the word “Khuda” is uttered.

Hisham AlHadi, a young daa’ee (caller towards Islam) has had a multicultural experience having lived between Pakistan and Canada, “to me, it’s important to know the meaning of the words we use. It’s not about Khuda Hafiz or Allah Hafiz. It’s about not using a better option which is also the Sunnah. To say Assalamualaikum, which is a prayer of peace, even when you say good bye. But yes, certain words offend my sensibilities. Why use words like ‘Allah Miyaan’ for Allah? It’s not about Arabic, Urdu or Persian. Do we ever really think about what we are saying?” asks Hisham.

“I think we as a society have become increasingly focused on rituals and outward acts. Anything Arabic, which is an outward expression, gives us a sense of inner religiosity. An Arabic greeting does not make us a better Muslim,” says Aurangzeb Haneef, who is himself trained in Classical Arabic from Harvard, and teaches Islamic Studies at LUMS.“ Also, the politics of language and identity in the context of the Arab-Persian divide cannot be ignored. I believe there is more than a self-evolution of religious language here at play,” he says.

Haneef’s words echo what a lot of people believe that the Back-to-Arabic phenomenon is not a random sign of reconnection with Islam and the Quran, that this may be reflective of Arab cultural imperialism. That Arabs in this last century have tried to reduce Persian influences on the Muslim world which included Persian being booted out. And it is done through financial help for religious studies and official patronage of these during political regimes.

But even if we were to believe this theory, the common person does not know all this. “It is important to be aware that expressions of faith in a particular language maybe the result of concerted efforts to influence collective sub-consciousness of a society. Being mindful of these processes lets informed choices be made about, say, using Allah or Khuda without being co-opted,” says Haneef.

However, for so many of us, Back-to-Arabic is actually an offshoot of having gone back to Islam.

As the writer of this blog, I have to say that I simply don’t mind either. I rather enjoy both the words “Kareem” (generous) and “Mubarak” (blessed). I call Ramazan “Ramadan”, not “Ramzan” for the simple reason that I enjoy pronouncing the word the way it is pronounced when recited as part of the Quran. Using words like “Alhamdulillah”, “Jazakallahu Khairan” and definitely more of “Assalamualaikum” in my everyday language is a natural evolution I have gone through as I have come closer to understanding the Quran in its original text in Arabic.

Hence, I have developed an affinity for the language. To me, it is simply the language in which the Quran was revealed and which the Prophet (pbuh) spoke. I am attached to it. I enjoy using it.

But I have no issues with someone saying Khuda Hafiz to me. In a country with much bigger issues to worry about, this issue can further widen the gulf and create yet another sub-division in the ideological groups we are getting divided into. When our energies are spent into non-issues, the importance of the real issues is diluted. It is time we start looking for common grounds. With that I say, “Ramadan Kareem and Khuda Hafiz”.

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Dawn has a phobia of Arbastanisation of Pakistani society and such articles are daily affair in the daily :slight_smile:

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why ramazan need to have a last name ?

We give the Arabs undue importance. And they treat our countrymen worse than dogs. But thats ok because they are Arabs.
Khuda Hafiz :smiley:

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To be honest, the fear is not unfounded.

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but it got a link, if people say particular thing. Islam is religion of land for more than thousand years, so what if people utter some Arabic phrases. After all, we got elites who feel inferior to talk in any other language except English- Language of our last Masters

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Do these “liberalists” have same ‘fears’ when it comes to English?

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That’s the whole problem, either Pakistanis are still ensalved by British (and now American) imperialism or are being swept away by aggressive Arab cultural and religious imperialism. We as a country don’t need either of that! I personally believe in supremacy of Urdu as a national language and advocate special efforts to preserve and promote regional languages and dialects. The sad thing is, the Arabic vs English phenomena reflect the depressing and dangerous divide on class, education, and demographics in Pakistan. I oppose the idea of English or Arabic as being the new lingua franca of Pakistan.

I have no problem with Arabic or English as languages, people should learn them by all means. Learning a new language is never a bad thing. However it’s not healthy to live in a society where people speak just to throw in random English phrases to pretended somehow they are more ‘educated’ and more refined or be surrounded by folks who seek refuge in Arabic phrases to appear more religious and pious.

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I don’t know how much of this is actually about giving the Arab people more importance or the Arab language…

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That’s actually not true. I know some people would post the Pakistani taxi driver’s video to prove their point. But the fact is Pakistanis and Indians both are treated by Arabs better than their own governments back home.

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And I don’t think people say ‘Ramadan Kareem’ to prove their religiosity and piety…I hear it from Pakistanis who are usually living/have lived in UAE/Saudi etc or their relatives are living in these countries. The Dawn on the other hand, have an open agenda against anything and everything Islamic.

Here in Middle East, Arabs have started to use quite a lot of Urdu/Hindi words due to the influence of South Asian immigrants. They don’t cry about it.

There is nothing wrong with using Arabic words and quran is in arabic so why get offended at ramadhan Kareem.
Our marriage culture (post and pre ) is derived from Hindu rituals, our education system is farangi, our home culture front is so far from being remotely Muslim (with all the mil, Dil, deywar dramas ) so what is OUR culture.
But God forbid if we adopt something from the divine book.

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Who cares about what Arabs do? The less Pakistanis think about them the better. Pakistan suffering a great deal because of this madrassas culture (and the culture of Elitism) and thats what the media and social activists should be fighting for.

The Arab country you are living isn’t in a state of war for past 12 years. So obvioulsy they have lot less reasons to cry about.

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There you go.

This is exactly why Pakistan is in dire need to redefine its national character and evoke a true sense of heritage and pride amongst its people. This might just make one of the essential conditons for country’s survival.

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Pakistanis should take good from the Arabs as well as from the West.

The rest is irrelevant.

I honestly don’t think we have a culture of our own. And if Pakistan was created for the Muslims and Islam is what the culture is based upon then we really should stick to the principles of Islam.
I would like to add for those ppl that not everything that Arabs do is a part if Islamic culture. So kissing hands of sheikhs is not allowed per Islam.

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I was at a darz/milaad once and got yelled by an elderly aunty for saying “khuda hafiz”. She told me that it’s incorrect because “khuda bahot hotain hain aur Allah sirf aik hai” so always say “allah hafiz”…err…okay…i didn’t quite understand that logic. This lady spent all 70 years of her life speaking Urdu in India/Pakistan and I raised speaking fluent Urdu by Urdu speaking parents and it’s always been “khuda hafiz” when saying goodbye to someone.

Ramzan/Ramadan…Mubarak/Kareem…Yalla/Challo…Walahi/Kasam khuda ki…Jazak Allah/Shukriya…who the heck cares. If someone wants to use the arabic vs the urdu, meri bhalaa se…why should it matter?

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I think Pakistan do have a culture of its own. You can easily tell the difference between a Pakistani and Indian wedding though they might have some similarities. Pakistanis are more elegant and sophisticated (cough cough).

Also, I think Pakistani nation is famous for loving the Prophet (pbuh) and the celebrations of mawlid is an amazing phenomena in Pakistan IMO. We have amazing Islamic architecture too. And majority of people do try to stick to Islamic traditions and rules.

Btw, I hope you mean females kissing their male shaykh’s hand is not allowed.

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Pakistan was created merely over sixty years ago but the culture of that land and history of the people goes thousands and thousands years back! It’d be nice if people actually realize and appreciate this instead of sinking further in their inferior complexes (not directed at anyone). We don’t think we have a “cultural of our own” because we are mentally still colonized and our so called friendship with House of Saud is the biggest threat to the peace in the country.

The whole “we have no culture” confusion is another major reason why the state instead if giving unlimited licences to Saudi madrassas should invest in promoting history as a subject. How does the quote go, a nation without history is a nation without memory! We Pakistanis really have no sense of history, all we know Pakistan was made for Muslim so lets turn the country into a theocratic state.

Lastly, I agree, Islam is about guiding principles not rituals. What is farz is farz, what is haram is haram, anything more than that, Allah Talah has given us free will and little bit of common sense.

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Why is ‘Arabs’ = ‘house of Sauds/wahabis’? They are a minority even among the Arab Nation.