RAMAYANA & MAHABHARATA :FICTION?

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All I know is...La ilaha il Allah, Muhammad -ur-Rasool-Allah

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I will go off the topic a bit.

But, I do want hindus to seriously look at vedas once than being stuck up in this material world. am not getting emotional here. It's just an advise.

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truepakistani

If you are really interested I can confirm you the truth. In fact the episodes of Ramayana and Mahabharata most probably are a reality.

The stories are not actually the same as you have read or seen in the serials. These all legends are related to tribals, pre-historic events and fightings among small villages. Ram did go to the South and after that an interaction between South and the North started and a shape of inter-culture took place.

There are differences among the historians when did these two events actually happened. It can be Ramayana, 57 century BC or 32 century BC and for Mahabharata the established periods are 32 century BC, or 18 century BC.

Ravan did not have ten heads, nor did monkeys help Ram in his battle against the South. The serials on Ramayan you have seen are actually based on the Ramcharit Manas written in 16th century AD.

These were battles among rivals and villages, some of the warriors became legendry heroes and as their stories passed thru generations they became giants and at a later stage took shape of Gods.

Ramayana and Mahabharata were being narrated orally by the teachers to the students at schools and later they were composed and recomposed many times and hence they have lost reality while keeping the central theme intact to some extant.

If you reach these Epics thru a realistic approach you will find a lot!

For a clue…..the strength of all giant heroes in these epics is described by the number of villages and cattle they had in their possession.

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Um, I think you did not read my post. The 10 wisdom heads thing is in the original Ramayana of Valmiki (written in Sanskrit).
The physical 10 heads thing appeared in the Tulsi Ramayana (written when Muslims entered India).

The serial was based on Tusi Ramayana (it appears in the title).

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2 : then u say that ramayana took place 1,75,000 years ago . Reallyyyyyyyy
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The Valmiki Ramayan itself doesnt give dates. The realistic estimation of this event is 3500 BC.

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4 : regarding Mahabharta it is mentined that it took place after the 50th generation counting from luv & kush(sons of Rama) so it should basically be around 173000 yrs ago . but the remains of dwarka were about 5000 yrs old.that is the diff of 168000 yrs or about 8000 generations. r u kidding me!!!!!

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The Dwarka remains are 5000 years old. Ths is correct estimation of the Mahabharata is 3000 years (which is correct i.e. 50 gens later than Ramayana).

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6 : and i don't get what spiritual or philosphical aspect can u get from either tale(except GITA ).in ramayana its a story of a prince, he gets married ,has to go to jungles for 14 yrs , wife gets kidnapped by Gabber singh OOPS (ravana)
assembles an army of monkeys , goes to sri lanka ,defeats the villian ,comes back home .all's well that ends well.
the other one is even worse .Teaching u to get what's yours at any cost even if u have to kill ur brothers( 100 of them)
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The same can be said of Jesus Christ or Prophet Mohammad's story.

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Dear Friend Narayan,

I hope you are a logical person. I understand your personal feelings but do you know that. Darwins theory is no more a subject in schools because authentically it was proven wrong. Recent developments in science completely disprove the evolution theory of Darwinism. What you are talking is right from there. Please go ahead do a thorough research on evolution. What evolution you are talking about when Humans and Chimps have completely different body components. Please before throwing aspersions next time to the logic do your research work.

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this is some real sensible stuff i heard in a long time from my indian counter parts. i agree that Rama & Krishna were some oridinary tribal leaders , probably local heroes .NOTHING GODLY ABOUT THEM.they were not avatars of Vishnu as many of the hindu pundits would have u believe .

i hope that anjjan would tell the same stuff to ssingh to bring him down to earth. 175000 yrs ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as regarding the timeframe , there is a lot of diff between 175000 & 5700 BC . that's almost 168000 yrs of diff!!!!!!!!!!!. i think u guys should come to a consensus .

this ssingh guy is giving the 175000 figure probably based on the Nasa photo. let me tell u that Nasa just released the photo and the rest of the story has been added by the hindus for their own propaganda. i went to the NASA web site & nowhere does it say that the adam's bridge is a man made thing .it is a chain of coral islets, which can be said to be just like a bridge , but not an actual bridge. besides the bridge descibed in ramayana was a floating one.
i also went to google earth and u can urself see that it is a chain of small islets, definately not a man made bridge.

another thing that is wrong with hindu brahmins / pundits is that they tend to make every hindu hero into a godly figure and non hindu spritual figure into the avatar of some hindu deity .for eg they would have u believe that Gautam
Buddha was an avatar of Vishnu , Guru Nanak was an avatar of Vishnu and now the latest scam Christ is the avatar of Krishna.(That is exactly what the ISKCON is preaching to the whitees in Amreeka. their main logic Christ & Krishna sound the same .) as u can see these hindus think that they have the patent to spirituality and everything has been derived from their books.

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again a bunch of lies!!!!!!!!
again u talk about religion has taught u this & that . if ur religion is so superior that how do u account for millions of jokes on other communities but none on hindus...... not even a single hindu joke . r u saying that u r flawless?? just 1 hindu joke and u r sweeting ....

i hope that LTTE , RSS , VHP r not the result of hindu teachings because that would very easily explain LTTE being the most lethal terrorists in the world( original suicide bombers )

this thread is about Hinduism . pls don't turn the topic on ISLAM

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Whats the lie in my post-
1. Is it lie that you post jokes for the sole purpose of hurting HIndu feelings
2. You might not be knowing this but I know of a thread been deleted for asking tough questions about Islaam.
** Please specify which lie you are taling about in my comment.**

I know this topic is about Hinduism, otherwise by now it would have been deleted, as it has been done previously.
About jokes - There are plenty of jokes on Hindus and on Muslims as well. But the difference is that I chose not to put muslim joke on the site, but you did (and that too I could feel the frustration in your jokes, it was just something you made up to hurt the feelings of Hindus/Indians, also there was not one joke and you know it). And that is the difference I am talking about here between the teachings.

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Yo Wasim,
Since you called me a friend, can you give me some pointers about the new theory. I hope you are not talking about Intelligent Design.
Thanks,

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HI Narayan,

What differences you are talking about the teaching I am an Indian be specific my dear friend. When you talk about the teachings you dont have look at a person in specific in regard to religious issues. Look at the book thats the Quran, like how we have bad Muslims you know and I know they are bad Hindus.
First thing is that Vedas and Upanishads are suppose to be your Sacred Scriptures. Fow what you are arguing about can be negated. Look at your sacred scriptures. If you contemplate and rather think, then we dont quote anything from Arabian nights, we quote it from Sacred Scripture thats the Quran and the Sunnah.
If you are talking about the teaching I know very well how much deviated from the book the teachings in India are to the Hindu generation. Go read yajur veda and it declares that There shoud be no object of God, infact we follow that there is no object of God. These are the teachings. First qualify the rulings of God then qualify the rulings made by man.
I love India no doubt but if you talk about the teachings then I dont have to tell, and put this on the thread when you know what your doing is against the Vedas. Shall i let a secret out tell me what do you mean by Lingam you worship this.You should be called as Vedantist and not Hindus. This is a geographical area derived from Indus. Otherwise Great HIndu reformer Vivekananda is clearly mentioned we are Vedantist.
Overall to** truepakistani** dont have to condemn the Hindus as told by Allaah but rather I agree, rightly talk to them the truth.
Surah 17:81
When truth arrives, falsehood perishes, false hood by its nature is bound to perish.

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You are 100% right in saying that there are good and bad people in every religion. Now please read what I said in the right context -
"I am hoping truepakistani is not a result of techings of Islaam, because that would very easily explain the terrorism in the world." This is what I said about truepakistani. Take a look at the word hope, which comes from the heart, and when I said this I wished that some Muslims will come forward and say what you are thinking is right, it is not result of Islamic teachings. To make my point clear I would say that its not Islam that has any fault, but there are some mis-directed followers. India has the second largest population of Muslims in the world, and I am proud to say that I have not heard of terrorists from India.

As for understanding Hinduism, it is a simple religion, but you can understand it only when you live it. Its all about freedom of thinking. The are guidance but do not ask you think just as has been explained in the book - because that has already been though. I do believe in one thing - the only thing that is constant is change, so you cannot have 1000 or 5000 year old rules apply today. The religion changes, although the core remains the same.

Vedas do not tell you that there cannot be any other religious book, it does not say if you read other religious book you will get hell. Thats the freedom I am talking about. Infact Geeta is an extension of Vedas. Karma is important to us. I think a muslim will get heaven if he has done right karma and hindu will get hell if he has not done right karma, and vice-versa.

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if muslims or hindus do good deeds but they don't believe in one God then they won't get paradise........
Islam is the only religion which is the solution of mankind's most problems today.

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you see...i have already acknowledged that whatever that is there in ramayana can be trashed. You wanted to get a discussion, so i got in. You asked for historical evidence, so i gave it which i myself have doubts.

No hindu or sikh is telling that guru nanak is an avataar. No hindu is telling christ as an avataar (i dont know about ISCKON) because there are only 10 avataars according to srimad bahgavatam. If you want i can name: matsya, kurma, varaha, vamana, ugranarasimha, parashuma, rama, krishna, chintanya maha prabhu and kalki. (from where does christ comes or others come????)

with regard to buddha I can understand. I dont believe in buddha as a incarnation but even though i admire his teachings a lot. Sometimes i let down hinduism itself in front of buddhism.

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Exactly, thats the difference I am talking about.

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I am already on earth. It’s you who are charging because it’s your feet that is not on the ground.

You know what?..the figure that i gave is hard for anyone to accept. To make a person believe, why would I give such a figure?..I am not the only one who is telling this. check this links below

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/y/yuga
http://hinduism.iskcon.com/concepts/111.htm

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ssingh, you are talking about 10 avatars of Vishnu - instead of chintanya maha prabhu, Buddha was the 9h avatar.

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Ofcourse....spirituality has been something which is there in hinduism and buddhism. when you muslims keep rantling that islam is the only religion, islam is the true religion, islam is the only way to god, apart from islam all other ways are like stealing, robbing, murdering etc what's wrong if we say something is there in our faith also?..and the whole world knows that concepts like meditation, yoga, moksha, nirvana etc have a source of hinduism. I wont say hinduism, i would rather say ancient india. some idiots over here say that yoga is not hinduism. haha....read yoga deeply, you will find yourself reading bhagavad geetha and vedas.

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now i want this hindu hater truepakistani to answer this:

one of your "brothers" in india, by name "Dr Zakir Naik" claims that kalki is mohemmad. what do you say now?...why is he doing that?.to lure hindus to islam?...that's not going to work (atleast in my case). that too if it is true, kalki is nothing but krishna which your jackass zakir naik wont understand.

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@ truepakistani

i am whole heartedly willing to believe what anjjan said: I dont need people like you to make me believe what he said.

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Hi ssingh,

Common stop throwing aspersions at one person, what you said was wrong about zakir naik a jackass. I completely agree that you have got the right to think personally about your thoughts. Zakir Naik is trying to get the analogy between Kalki his 8 characteristics with Prophet Mohammed may peace and blessing of Allaah be upon him thats Mr. Zakir Naiks perception. Its the same when you say that Jesus may peace be upon him is incarnation of God
Common now why is that hurting you. By the way my only concern is that we are arguiing.
Question yourself. If there is one God why are they so many religions you do not have to reply to this. Try to get the answer.
My argument is you tell Krishna, Ram are incarnations of God that is the Only God, now why is that only he is merciful to Hindus. Its the same for the Muslims also but we say that Islam is a religion for the Mankind.
We propagate so that we can get everyone to paradise. Anyways
There is no compulsion in religion. This is my thought.

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