Good god. You all are so pathetic. For gods sake it is only a word and gupshup has a 100 post discussion on it. This nothing but stupid. A word is a word. Simple. Nothing more.
I am dumber for having read every single post in this thread. Thank you for uneducating me.
Its not a matter of a word....
But the fact that us Pakistanis are so obsessed with the English culture, English lifestyle and English language....that everything has to be perfect when it comes to English. But when it comes to arabic or anything Islamic we dont even care.
The bottom line is.....We are forgetting our identity, forgetting who we are, and that is the reason of our downfall.
we are forgetting who we are???
who are we?? what IS our identity?? care to explain ?? this Arabization and a lust to be ‘Arabic’ gets on my nerves..
We’re Pakistanis and damn proud of it 
we have our language and our culture and we’re not apologetic about it.. We can be good Muslims without losing our identity to some inferiorty complex of everything Arabic.
the correct term for this thread is,,,,
bund behesss...
sorry... had to say it.
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we are forgetting who we are???
who are we?? what IS our identity?? care to explain ?? this Arabization and a lust to be 'Arabic' gets on my nerves..
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We are muslims, before everything else. And Arabic is the language of our religion.
What Arabization are you talking abt...whats so arabic abt our lives that is driving u crazy. Our Prophet was an Arab, so i dont see anything wrong if we try to learn a bit of Arabic.
I dont say that Iam not proud of being a Pakistani....but born and bred in an Arab country...i feel a strong devotion cause its the language of the land where i was born and the language of my religion.
Good grief. One word now defines national identity or religious identity. 
Someone on this forum said that in Arabic it sound more like ‘D’ than ‘Z’.
Well doesn’t Mahmood in Arabic sound more like ‘Makhamoodh’ ? 
ok,,, thgis is not a joke,, a real,, REAL incident. In front of my eyes,, out of my friends cousin's mouth.
" Mian pysics kay fafer main pail ho gaya :( "
hmmm
if we are using the vernacular of the alphabet as the basis for pronunciation .. then lets see what else...
J is pronounced as Y in most European countries, therefore any name with a J shall be pronounced as a Y.
what else.. yeah.. in turkish C is pronouned as J.. so all names with a C shall be pronounced with a J.. say javed would be caved .. cuzz we are using the alphabet's pronounciation .. not what the actual one is.
not just that .. in serbo-croat, the C is pronounced as T.. so Chacha suddenly becomes Thatha .. from an uncle one becomes a city...
what nonesense.
According to the rules of grammar, a proper noun can be written any way as long as its pronounciation is correct... and not that it must be written in a certain way and you can pronounce it any which way that suits your fancy.
Therefore 'Ramadhan' being a proper noun must be pronounced as 'Ramadhan' and not 'Ramzaan' as that would be gramatically incorrect.
otherwise don't be peeved when Pakistan is called 'Bakistan' .. or your name is murdered by