Ramadan and Pakistan

Pakistan came into being on August 14, 1947. The corresponding date on the day was 27th of Ramadan, which is known as Laila tul Qadar (The most important night) as per Islamic beliefs.

The creation of Pakistan in the blessed moments of Laila tul Qadar lead many people believe that Pakistan was made for a noble religious cause, ignoring the fact that many religious parties (including today’s prominent religious party Jamat e Islami ) were not in favour of creation of Pakistan.

Do you believe that Pakistan was made to be an Islamic state?

If yes then what do you think are the reasons that it didn’t get Islamic identity instead of all the attempts made by people like Zia ul Haq?

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Considering the initial years of Pakistan, it seems as if it was created as a country for muslims not necessarily to have it made as an Islamic country. And as far as Zia is concerned, he used Islam as a tool for clinging on power.

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How do you distinguish a country made for Muslims and a Islamic country?

If at all Pakistan was destined to be an Islamic country, what kind of Islam it endorses? The one which is on the model of Saudi Arabia or the one which is prevalent in Iran?

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theoretical/ideal Islamic country looks good on paper. Present states except (Malaysia) are not islamic but muslim.

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So what about the labels like 'Fort of Islam' given to Pakistan? I mean whats the agenda behind such thinking?

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qilay-e-islam is/was political term used till pre-1971, as soon as east pakistan became separate country it lost actual meaning. However, some political parties still use it.

Islam, where is Islam in Pakistan.

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Islam is in the Ordinances passed by General Zia :bummer:

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:smack2: it might be, but it was not proper one.

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BTW, Islam in different parts of Pakistan followed differently. Sufi Islam of Sindh is quite different from rigid talibanised Islam of tribal areas.

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islam is one, people understand it differently. jitni jis ki samjh.

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True, Islam is one, but it couldn't make Pakistanis one (united) :(

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i strongly disagree with you. will share an story in private with you.

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I'm talking of general conditions. Aren't we distributed as Punjabi, Sindhi, Mohajir, Balochi and Pathans? We lost Bengalis :(

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yes, we are.

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Thats why I said our islam could not unite us.

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Malaysia has 40% of its population being non-muslims. and this significantly dilutes the amount of unnecessary religiosity that interferes in public life in this multicultural society.

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I believe that it is people who make a country not a religion. While secularism as it is implemented today may have many faults, I have observed that it is more educationally, technologically and intellectually more progressive than any religious states of any religion. IMHO the politics must be divorced from religion atleast at a certain level. Trying to build a country completely 100% on religious practices is a recipe for disaster. That having been said, if people of x religion who are in a majority want to have a government based on their religion and the country devolves educationally and economically, it it the people or religion who should shoulder the blame or both ? All people can belong to a country but some religions belongs only to some of the people.

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I think it was created to be an Islamic republic...

but the men who made it what it is are no longer with us and those who have control are a different breed altogether...

Waisey I stopped looking at man made borders the moment I realised they got in the way of desires so the way I see the world is very different now, I cant see any borders from space and I sure as hell doubt theres any border I could not cross if I was determined to "jump".

Besides it might all be for nothing in the long run... these borders are liable to change or dissapear but the people of this planet or life in some form will remain for some time... only the earth lasts.

Governments dont live together, they exist to rule... people must learn to live together and in peace. :)

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Well if you see the first 30 years of the country, it doesnt seem any different to any other non muslim country in the region. There is an article these days by nadeem paracha. As far as Islam is concerned I don't think that the state should implement a particular sect of Islam.

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You mean there was no fervor for implementation of Islam (in other words Islam was not fragile) in first 30 years of Pakistan?

PS: Do share that article of Paracha.