Yaar hum ne kab kaha hai ke zabardasti Musalman bana'ey gaey the?
What I meant was they were/are Hindu at one point in time.
its amazing how almost every pakistani wants to be associated ethnically with afghans, arabs and persians. where's your common sense ppl? where did the natives go?
Queer, tru..tru..
But don't point out this anomaly or the fact that all this hatred towards teh west in Pakistan is actually 1500 years too late.
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its amazing how almost every pakistani wants to be associated ethnically with afghans, arabs and persians. where's your common sense ppl? where did the natives go?
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lol, you have a point but the natives didn’t grow on trees did they? People like to trace their roots further back than Desiland coz it makes em feel better.
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lol, you have a point but the natives didn’t grow on trees did they? People like to trace their roots further back than Desiland coz it makes em feel better.
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yaar if its any help, their roots lie in east africa, from where they migrated to europe via land unbroken by the suez, then entered asia in multiple waves.
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no theory points to india. but the chinese only had to steer the boat in a straight line to reach california. i find the native americans chinky looking, but how would one explain their darker skin? too much sun?
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karina, native americans are supposedly descendents of people who crossed over from asia to alaska over a frozen bering strait, a very very long time ago - stone age, before concrete languages evolved.
and gandhari wasnt buddhist - buddha wouldnt have been born for another 500 years or so some place in nepal/bihar/orissa, and buddhism wouldnt reach gandhar until ashoka's time.
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and gandhari wasnt buddhist - buddha wouldnt have been born for another 500 years or so some place in nepal/bihar/orissa, and buddhism wouldnt reach gandhar until ashoka's time.
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well done queero, you get a star. i realised that after i posted it, but was too lazy to change. ok, gandhari was just an ordinary hindu rajput.
^ a likely story 
yeah, the time I got that question wrong on my exam, I was just too lazy to put the right answer. 
I think its the other way around, Rajputs and Sikhs might have Afghan/Pakhtun blood.
The Brahmin came through the Khyber Pass into that region and established rule/religion. There are a lot of words in Pakhto and Sanskrit that match.
Here is more on Aryan and Sanskrit:
so u didn’t make mensa i gather?
sher shah - didn’t rajputs come before afghans?
I don’t want to be a member of a club that would have me. 
Sher Shah, Sanskrit is the mother of a lot languages. I am sure the migration could be east to west or west to east, that is not the point. the point is that the basis of the people is the same. Arabian culture is what is foreign to the region.
Karina, Pakhtuns are the original people that bore the Afghan name. Ethnic Afghan and Pakhtuns is the same thing, though the term "Afghan" comes in to the picture later on. Before that it is Pakhtun that is the center of all things. Recently in Afghanistan the ethnic minorities tried to discredit and side line the Afghan term by trying to promote "Afghanistani" since everyone recognizes the Afghan with Pakhtun first.
Matsui, no culture is permanent. I am sure before Hinduism the culture was very different in that region, and it evolved after Buddhism, then it evolved because of Islam and now it is evolving rapidly do to Bollywood.
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so u didn't make mensa i gather?:)
sher shah - didn't rajputs come before afghans?
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sher shah, whatever u say. i am thoroughly confused. talking of bollywood, is shahrukh khan a pakhtoon, pashtun, afghan or hindkoni (toilet cleaner)? If i ever meet him i would like to impress him by talking intelligently about his ancestry-:)
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its amazing how almost every pakistani wants to be associated ethnically with afghans, arabs and persians. where's your common sense ppl? where did the natives go?
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Queer, no one is making up lies here. Aryan and I were having a discussion in another thread and I came accross something similar so I posted it.
Don't worry about Rajputs: The came, they stayed, they conquered :D
Sher Shah bro, thats another interesting theory. Rajput is a tribe and Sikh is a religion, so I am not sure how they match. I mean one can be a Rajput and (whatever religion). It’s true that Brahmins are Aryans, but Rajputs are very different from Brahmins, although they might be Aryans. I don’t mean to confuse.
Brahmins are a very educated, religious caste, while Rajputs are more warlike, tribals. I mean I don’t mean to insult anyone here, but when did the Brahmins ever fight in a war? Like Kashmiri Muslims who used to be Brahmins before, these guys are very peaceful.
Sher Shah bro, please post more Links/articles if you find something interesting. Sometimes I feel like a detective trying to dig through all of this information. Who knows if Pakhtuns and Rajputs are related? Aryan and I have discussed similarities, but Allah knows best.
I am sure Pakhtuns are honorable people, but I have enough pride in my Rajput blood to not create a false impression that I somehow want to force a link between the two. It is more about honoring the brave races who have shown courage through history.
Matty, I was wondering if you had any stats on pure blooded Aryans. I would think that the Brahmins would have the highest percentage. I am really curious about the situation in India. I think that the Aryans would be in the minority, more mixed, and many Dravidians and others.
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Hill Billy boy you do realise though that Rajputs were Hindus belonging to the warrior caste? And there’s theories to suggest that maybe your ancestors were Hindus/Budhhists too at one point? Namaste, Jai Shri Krishna.
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Yeah that is true Ashti Jan, we were Zardashtian before we became HINDUS and after Hindu we were BUDHISTs and then Almighty Islam.
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Matty, I was wondering if you had any stats on pure blooded Aryans. I would think that the Brahmins would have the highest percentage. I am really curious about the situation in India. I think that the Aryans would be in the minority, more mixed, and many Dravidians and others.
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RF, being a 'dravidian' myself, let me try to answer this.
There are a lot of theories floating around; with supremacists all over the place. Based on Max Mueller's theories, dravidians would like to think of themselves as the original inhabitants of the land. To add to the glory is Tamil probably being the oldest living language in the world. Know, documented literature of atleast 2500 years.
But anthropologists & DNA scientists have not been able to find any distinction between the Aryan and Dravidian 'races'. This leads to multiple possibilities...
a) Both A & D were original inhabitants of the land
b) Both A & D were migrants from Caspian Sea area
c) Both A & D were originally Africans ( the least scientifically disproved theory), but took two different routes to get to the subcontinents [Inhabitants of Andaman islands are pretty much dwarfish, extremely dark, nomadic, and apparently speak languages similar to the African tribes. The last part is open to question as these tribes do not allow others to enter their islands. The GOI also want them to be left alone as it fears that outsiders will take in their diseases and wipe these communities out]
Masha'Allah Sher Shah wror, you know your stuff.
Zindabad Sher Shar...
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De Afghan mana Pakhtoon dai...aw de Pakhtoon mana Afghan dai...
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Think about that...
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To add to the glory is Tamil probably being the oldest living language in the world. Know, documented literature of atleast 2500 years.
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Bro how did you say that without knowing about the history of some other languages. Bro our language, Pashto, has more than 4000 years of recorded history which also makes it either the oldest or one of the oldest languages on earth.