Rajput & Pakhtun Orgins

This thread actually comes from Aryan_Shponkai message regarding similarities between Pakhtuns & Rajputs. I was not so sure, because I have heard many different theories. I don’t know for sure if this true but it was very informative to read. However, I think Aryan might be on to something very interesting, if more studies are done. With the modern times, we can do DNA testing of pure bloods and try to trace the heritage.

Source: http://www.khyber.org/pashtohistory/hindurajputs.shtml

Are the Pathans Hindu Rajputs ?

By Khaled Ahmad

Both Pathans and Rajputs are warlike people. Their bravery and sense of honour are legendary. But are they also the same people? At least one person thought so.

A British doctor Henry Walter Bellew (1834-1892) thought in 1864 that most Pakhtun tribal names were actually Rajput names which had undergone changes over time. This actually gave rise to the theory that Hindus had occupied the region called Afghanistan before the ‘foreigners’ took it over.

As civil surgeon in Peshawar Bellew perfected his knowledge of the local languages. He was chief political officer in Kabul during the Second Afghan War. When he retired as India’s surgeon-general he was already an authority on oriental languages.

In a nutshell, Bellew’s thesis is that all Afghan tribal names can be traced to Greek and Rajput names, which posits the further possibility of a great Greek mixing with the ancient border tribes of India. Some of this survives in Punjab’s Jhang district today where local inhabitants are conscious of homophonous similarities between their names and the great Greek tribes.

Bellew looks at the zai and khel suffixes indicating Pakhtun bloodlines. He thinks that zai is from Persian zaadan (to give birth) which is the same as Sanskrit jan; and khel is clearly Sanskrit kul (family). The Hindu name Kuldip means lamp of the family. The Pakhtun use zai and khel interchangeably.

Bellew starts with the mythology of the origin of the Afghans — perhaps the most detailed story given anywhere. Then he goes to the great Greek historian Herodotus when he discusses the Greek-Bactrian tribes North of Afghanistan.

The Lydoi (Greek ‘y’ is actually ‘u’) are the Lodis, Maionoi are the Miyanis, Mysoi are the Afghan tribes taking Musa as prefix, Thynoi and Bithynoi are Tanis and Bitanis, the Karoi are Karo, Ionoi are Yunus, Doroi are Dor, and Aioloi are Ali.

It should be noted that wherever possible the Afghans will try to convert their pagan names to Muslim ones, as Isapzais have become Yusufzais. This also inclines them to trace themselves to Jewish roots. Bellew gives us the other dimension: all these Greek-sounding names are also Rajput, meaning that Greek intermixing was with the Rajput races when they lived in the
region now occupied by the Afghans.

Bellew thinks prefix Suleman is derived from Rajput Solan which is today visible in Solanki. Daud, as it appears in Daudzai and Daudputra among Muslims, is actually Rajput Dadi or Dadika.

Utmankhel or Utmanzai (to which the family of Wali Khan belongs) are mentioned by Herodotus as a Greek tribe Utoi. Utmanzais have sub-tribes like Baddo (Rajput Yaddo, the tribe of Krishna), Ballo is Rajput Bhalla khatri,

Bura is Bora (Vohra) mercantile Rajput, a name taken by Bohras, the Ismailis of Gujrat, Mandal is the Jat tribe Mada, its version Mandanr, live along Jadun or Gadun tribes (of Hazara which is Sanskrit Abhisara), which names are variant of the Jadu Rajput tribe. These are Yadavas of India.

Gaduns established Gajni which is today Ghazni. The Afghan Batanis are ancient Bhattis, the elite of the Rajputs serving at the court as ministers.

Mahmand actually means ‘the great Mand’. They are in Peshawar but their Rajput relatives are now found near Bombay. Pliny calls them Mandriani of Afghanistan; they are the Wends of Austria. A branch of them called the Bai-zai are located in Kohat which was an old Greek city.

The Suri Pakhtun were people brought from Syria by the son of Seleukus who ruled that part of Alexander’s eastern empire. The Afridis are mentioned by Herodotus as Aparytai brought to their present abode by Ghaznavi, but they came from the Afghan province of Maimana.

Similarly, the Orakzai are mentioned by Arrian as Arasakoi, and their rivals Bangash came originally from Ghazni. The Bangash are also called Bangak which relates to Bangat Chohan Rajputs. Their neighbours the Turis are the same as Tiwari Rajputs of India. Thus the story of Pakhtun tribes goes on.

wow great bro. see i told i had read about this somewhere.
well still there is much to be done to really prove that they are a part of us. and i'll also look up on some other onez.. but this was really good.
cya bro

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Hill Billy boy you do realise though that Rajputs were Hindus belonging to the warrior caste? And there’s theories to suggest that maybe your ancestors were Hindus/Budhhists too at one point? Namaste, Jai Shri Krishna.

Everyone was a hindu/buddhist at one point or another...so were you Ashti. Pranam karo..mere payr chuo..ashirvaad deydoonga tumko~!!!

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A British doctor Henry Walter Bellew (1834-1892) thought in 1864 that most Pakhtun tribal names were actually Rajput names which had undergone changes over time. This actually gave rise to the theory that Hindus had occupied the region called Afghanistan before the ‘foreigners’ took it over.

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Afghanistan was called Gandhar in ancient times. Gandhar meaning scent (of flowers and mountain air). Kandahar comes from that word. In the Mahabharat the king's wife was Gandhari, she was budhist, and she kept pining for her country which she said was more beautiful than bharat.

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Afghanistan was called Gandhar in ancient times. Gandhar meaning scent (of flowers and mountain air). Kandahar comes from that word. In the Mahabharat the king's wife was Gandhari, she was budhist, and she kept pining for her country which she said was more beautiful than bharat.
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And the Hindko language dates back to Gandhar.

The ancient Gandhara encompassed Jalalabad valley, the whole NWFP and some parts of northern punjab(Taxila).

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Everyone was a hindu/buddhist at one point or another...so were you Ashti. Pranam karo..mere payr chuo..ashirvaad deydoonga tumko~!!!
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I know yaar, it's him who can't accept the truth.

ps. aap jesay paapi ka na hee ashirvaad miley to behtar hai. :p

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I know yaar, it's him who can't accept the truth.

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who is 'him'

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who is 'him'
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Aryan/Qandahari

It is said many Nepalese are originally from Rajasthan who migrated t Nepal decades back and many are Rajputs.

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Aryan/Qandahari
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he should be careful, he could be the 54th direct ascendent of gandhari bibi.

interesting point, imran. did you also know the red indians were originally chinese?

This article is based on presumptions and lacks scientific rigour.

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interesting point, imran. did you also know the red indians were originally chinese?
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Is that why they have slanted eyes? I have a Native American friend belonging to the Cherokee people and he thinks his people originate from Northern India/Pakistan.

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Is that why they have slanted eyes? I have a Native American friend belonging to the Cherokee people and he thinks his people originate from Northern India/Pakistan.
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no theory points to india. but the chinese only had to steer the boat in a straight line to reach california. i find the native americans chinky looking, but how would one explain their darker skin? too much sun?

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no theory points to india. but the chinese only had to steer the boat in a straight line to reach california. i find the native americans chinky looking, but how would one explain their darker skin? too much sun?
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Yeah, gene mutations, the ones who get a mutation for a darker gene they themselves and their offspring survive better than their yellow skinned fellows coz their skin is better at blocking radiation and crap hence less likely to get skin cancer and of course brown is the best colour so they get more chicks and the yellows eventually get extinct.

I personally think they are the hottest race on earth sexy eyes smooth skin jet black… (even hotter than the Swati’s who cost lakhs).

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Yeah, gene mutations, the ones who get a mutation for a darker gene they themselves and their offspring survive better than their yellow skinned fellows coz their skin is better at blocking radiation and crap hence less likely to get skin cancer and of course brown is the best colour so they get more chicks and the yellows eventually get extinct.

I personally think they are the hottest race on earth sexy eyes smooth skin jet black… (even hotter than the Swati’s who cost lakhs).
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but this darker gene was developed for hotter sun in mexico/calif or the upheaval of moving? and why are the natives still dark in canada where it is colder? somtimes i wonder if there wasn't another darker race already in the usa, which was absorbed by the chinese...velly fascinating all this. you seem to have a sound knowledge of genetics.

oh yeah, they're hot. patrick swayze, yummy. and cher, what cheekbones even at this age.

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but this darker gene was developed for hotter sun in mexico/calif or the upheaval of moving? and why are the natives still dark in canada where it is colder? somtimes i wonder if there wasn't another darker race already in the usa, which was absorbed by the chinese...velly fascinating all this. you seem to have a sound knowledge of genetics.

oh yeah, they're hot. patrick swayze, yummy. and cher, what cheekbones even at this age.
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Well maybe they arrived in the sunny regions first and moved to the dull regions by the time they had browned and brown skin colour is suited to all regions and browns are hotter so they got more chicks hence they stayed brown.

I could be totally wrong, my older brothers are in their last year of a-levels and I’ve been reading their genetics books, I’m actually suppose to be revising myself for GCSE’s but I can’t concentrate on my own stuff, my bro gave me the add to this site, I’m either on here or reading their books these days, mum thinks I’m studying.

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wow great bro. see i told i had read about this somewhere.
well still there is much to be done to really prove that they are a part of us. and i'll also look up on some other onez.. but this was really good.
cya bro
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Aryan bro, it is very interesting to trace the backgrounds of people. The othetr theory for Rajputs is that they are Scythians, who migrated from lower Central Asia. As you know, there are many theories for Pakhtuns as well..Some include the Bani-Israel, the Greek and the Aryan invasion theories. Please keep up the good work and do look up any other articles.

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Hill Billy boy you do realise though that Rajputs were Hindus belonging to the warrior caste? And there’s theories to suggest that maybe your ancestors were Hindus/Budhhists too at one point? Namaste, Jai Shri Krishna.
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Ashti, that is not correct. Rajputs were initially Sauras when they entered the the Subcontinent. Their conversion to Hinduism, Bhuddhism and Islam occured after that. In India there is a region called Saurasthra commemorating this fact.

Rajput Muslims did not convert to Islam out of fear, instead it was choice made by the ancestors. A pure Rajput would rather die for his/her religion than take the cowardly way out.