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This racism is not new. The literature that we have got (6-700 years old) gives some glimpse of this during that time. I am sure it would have been worse then, but still we (the educated people) need to create awareness amongst out compatriots not to hate some one for where (which family) he was born as he has no control over it. The message of Islam is equality and division, believe you me when we realize this we will become the best nation on earth.
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This racism is not new. The literature that we have got (6-700 years old) gives some glimpse of this during that time. I am sure it would have been worse then, but still we (the educated people) need to create awareness amongst out compatriots not to hate some one for where (which family) he was born as he has no control over it. The message of Islam is equality and division, believe you me when we realize this we will become the best nation on earth.
True. May be in a multicultural society where its an acceptable norm to play politics based on ethnic lines, its not possible to coup with the problems and hatred created.
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The point is racism crept into religion due to rivalry of two tribes.
Besides this there was always a bifurcation of Arab- Non-Arab in Muslim world. When Muslim established in sub-continent they blamed Indian culture for bifurcation of Pathan, Syed, Mughal, etc, but in fact they carried these discrimination from their own lands.
This is wrong understnading of Islam.
You are judging Islam by the racist actons of people which they got from their respective cultures. that has nothing to do with teachings of Islam.
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This is wrong understnading of Islam. You are judging Islam by the racist actons of people which they got from their respective cultures. that has nothing to do with teachings of Islam.
I'm not judging Islam or its teaching. I'm conveying how sectarian rivalries of Arab based on tribal enmities affected people of our land. simple as that.
Religion is all for peace and without discrimination, but sects in religion got same racial values as any compartmentalization of society in the name of ethnicity, culture, race, etc.
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^ you should check with definitions of both racism and sectarianism.
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^ you should check with definitions of both racism and sectarianism.
I know the difference, but you are conveniently missing the link. Banu Hashim Vs Banu Ummayya :)
Tribal rivalry leading to sectarianism. Even rivalry between Jews and Muslims goes back to Banu Ismail and Banu Ishaq. No?
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I know the difference, but you are conveniently missing the link. Banu Hashim Vs Banu Ummayya :)
Tribal rivalry leading to sectarianism. Even rivalry between Jews and Muslims goes back to Banu Ismail and Banu Ishaq. No?
I will go through that link but sectarianism is off-topic. And I have told you if Muslims do racist things based on what they got from their culture, that doesnt mean they are serving Islam.
Why are you feeling heat as racism is being discussed you are ducking with typical argument of blaming religion?
let me ask you a question, are you ok with following both statements?
1. 'I am proud to be a muslim'
2. I am proud to be a sindhi/ punjabi
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I will go through that link but sectarianism is off-topic. And I have told you if Muslims do racist things based on what they got from their culture, that doesnt mean they are serving Islam. Why are you feeling heat as racism is being discussed you are ducking with typical argument of blaming religion? let me ask you a question, are you ok with following both statements? 1. 'I am proud to be a muslim' 2. I am proud to be a sindhi/ punjabi
why to be proud for being Muslim or Sindhi. Is it something that I achieved with my efforts? At most, I would be grateful to God for such association, but again that doesn't justify going against any other person from different religion, race, etc
I'm not blaming anyone. When Ali commented that people of sub-continent are most racist in the world, then we have to look into the factors which made them behave in this manner. Discrimination on the basis of any division (be it culture or religion) got link with such behavior. The religion of sub-continent can't be separated from its culture and cultural practices. Religions in sub-continent failed to tackle these discrimination and in fact they contributed severity of the situation. That is my personal opinion based on what I've observed and studied. Anyone got right to agree or disagree with this view.
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why to be proud for being **Muslim or Sindhi**. Is it something that I achieved with my efforts?
If you say so in public, they will call you a traitor. Is it what Religion taught them?
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At most, I would be grateful to God for such association, but again that doesn't justify going against any other person from different religion, race, etc
I'm not blaming anyone. When Ali commented that people of sub-continent are most racist in the world, then we have to look into the factors which made them behave in this manner. Discrimination on the basis of any division (be it culture or religion) got link with such behavior. The religion of sub-continent can't be separated from its culture and cultural practices. Religions in sub-continent failed to tackle these discrimination and in fact they contributed severity of the situation. That is my personal opinion based on what I've observed and studied. Anyone got right to agree or disagree with this view.
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People should follow religion, not that religion should follow people. that is completely different understanding. If they continue doing racist things that doesnt mean religion make them do those things. People in sub-continent have been fight each even before Isalm reached them.
Yes, you can have your opinion.
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lols. If not being proud Sindhi earns me title of traitor, there are chances that not being proud Muslim will earn me title of 'Murtad'.
yes people were fighting before Islam, then wars were imposed on people in the name of Islam (which didn't ask them to invade and expand their territories). Lodhis (Pathans) were Muslims, but Babar (Mughal) waged was calling it Jehad. Result of this warfare was increase in polarization of already polarized society. First, it was bigotry and hatred in the name of race, language, class... but then came the division of Barelvi, Deo-Bandi, Ithna Ashri, etc, etc in a very receptive land of discrimination.
I know Islam is not for expansions and wars or division on basis of ethnic lines, but Muslim Historians and scholars did glorified the invaders, which brought a twisted version of Islam before world. When masjid of one sect is not safe from other sect, then it is difficult to tackle racism through religion. As they say, if you are not part of solution, you are part of problem, so is the case with religions (not restricted to Islam) in sub-continent.
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^Clearly missing the topic at hand.
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Your view, but when we can call people of sub-continent most racist, then there is no harm to discuss factors making them racist and biased.
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Your view, but when we can call people of sub-continent most racist, then there is no harm to discuss factors making them racist and biased.
There are several ethnic groups in sub-continent other than those belong to me or you. I dont believe Ali was refering to particular ethnicity.
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where did I say that Ali was pointing towards a particular ethnicity. No ethnicity in sub-continent is doodh ki dhulli, when it comes to racism. The saying quoted in OP for chosing between snake or a person from particular ethnicity is interchangeably used in all ethnic groups.
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Btw, its interesting to see people bring religion in every matter as flooding, even in those issues which we ourselves are actually responsible.
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Bad religious practices are subject to same interrogation as bad cultural practices :)
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yes this racism transcends all ethnicities. Its common to make fun of Pashtuns/Sikhs and call names (Pashtuns and Urdu speaking people). You told me of a some khatmal as well once. 
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Khatmal is in sectarian context 
otherwise saanp, dagga, etc are racist terms. 
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Bad religious practices are subject to same interrogation as bad cultural practices :)
Is it an argument to the topic at hand?
very poor approach of discusing things.
How fool i would be if someone ask me about sectarianism but i, instead of acknowledging the fact that sectarianism exists, start giving argument that sectarianism is similar to racism.
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I would rather say that sectarianism came into religion because of tribal conflicts so the root cause is the racism.