Pakistani and the most resident of city of Karachi. Thats really what we are. And pretty much everyone in the world.
Pakistani - yeah thats what I thought you would say. "Pakistani" is just a fancy word for Urdu speaking. If you were anybody else, you would say so. e.g. punjabi, pathan or baluch etc. Your accent telling everybody who you are, why not name it. You are not sindhi are you? because you don't talk like one. Mohajir is just a word representing race of migrated people, and no need to dig too much into its meaning. African American is the term used for blacks in US. It does not mean that they were born in africa, its just the term that blacks chosed for themselves, dropping other words like N*. You are what you are, don't hide from it, don't run from it. All races are good, yours included.
A twist on the true tale of how Haqiqi was formed by the ISI to battle MQM.
It is the hate preachers of pashtunistan who have been killing each other before the MQM even existed. They kill each other for "honour", women, land, islam, and of course greed. The tribal areas are the breeding grounds of world terrorism, with elements of ISI/MI acting as the pimps.
What? Men always kill each other for land, woman, religion and honour**
What? Men always kill each other for land, woman, religion and honour**
Bloodthristy feuds, battle's between tribes and clans, kidnappings, smuggling, selling daughters to the highest bidder. Men in the dark ages did do these things,
Yes boy, we are also fed up of the never-ending battle between two tribes mqm and mqm that has caused so many deaths so far. But what else can be expected from these uneducated and uncivilized inidan immigrants. And yes selling daughters to the pimps of Lucknow at the highest bid is also an integral part of their shudra culture, thnaks to remind us-and no, I’m not a follower of Hinduism but I know who Shudras are.
[One plus three was the score this time around as the body count began after the two mohajir organisations, Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) and Mohajir Qaumi Movement( MQM-Haqiqi) re-ignited the fire of confrontation. There are all indications that more bodies will fall before long.
A Muttahida activist was killed by unidentified gunmen during the recent by-election in Landhi. On the same day, bodies of the three Haqiqi activists were recovered from a school toilet in Lines Area. Their hands and legs were tied and torture marks were visible - a gruesome, though familiar story, bringing up unwelcome echoes from the past. The total tally of the decade-old dispute between the two factions notches upto 5,000 deaths, if not more.
"Mohajirs are sick and tired of picking up bodies. Sometimes they are found in gunny bags, hands and legs tied," said Mohammad Yasin, 65, a garment shopkeeper from Landhi, once the headquarters of Haqiqi.](http://www.newsline.com.pk/newsJuly2003/newsbeat2july.htm)
Pakistani - yeah thats what I thought you would say. "Pakistani" is just a fancy word for Urdu speaking. If you were anybody else, you would say so. e.g. punjabi, pathan or baluch etc. Your accent telling everybody who you are, why not name it. You are not sindhi are you? because you don't talk like one. Mohajir is just a word representing race of migrated people, and no need to dig too much into its meaning. African American is the term used for blacks in US. It does not mean that they were born in africa, its just the term that blacks chosed for themselves, dropping other words like N*. You are what you are, don't hide from it, don't run from it. All races are good, yours included.
Your question was......
What is the word you guys used for yourself? I am curious.
And my answer is what we called ourselves really. This Sindhi Panjabi Mohajir is not our cup of tea. Nobody forced to call ourselves to something else. Why indulge ourselves into racial division. We can only pray for those who have problems with other ethnicities, be it Mohajirs or Punjabis or anyone else. The country gave us the name, Pakistani and we are happy. We are not orphaned by not relating ourselves to a major group of people. Pakistani is what you're recognized when go anywhere in the world. It sounds fancy to some, there is nothing anyone can do about the walls in one's brain. Its all in our minds, nothing else.
^And when I told that Palestenian man that I was from Pakistan, he said, yes I know you are from Pakistan but I want to know whether you are a Punjabi or Pushtun...
MQM and violence is a very new phenomena, one that was pushed by the jihadis, ISI, and Taliban godfather Nusrallah Babar. From the Pashtun tribes, their history of death and violence spans hundreds of years.
The difference between your tribes and parties like the MQM is that we (most of us anyway) learn from our mistakes and try to better ourselves, while you lot continue with your ancient battles over fictional “honour”. Better to be a Shudra than to be one from the beheader caste.
Pashtuns are not half as honourable as the myths about them try to portray. Fact is that like most people, they are fallible.
^And when I told that Palestenian man that I was from Pakistan, he said, yes I know you are from Pakistan but I want to know whether you are a Punjabi or Pushtun...
LOL, I somehow doubt that. For Arabs, all South Asians are the same.
But the matter of what type of Pakistani is very much an issue inside of Pakistan.
MQM and violence is a very new phenomena, one that was pushed by the jihadis, ISI, and Taliban godfather Nusrallah Babar. From the Pashtun tribes, their history of death and violence spans hundreds of years.
The difference between your tribes and parties like the MQM is that we (most of us anyway) learn from our mistakes and try to better ourselves, while you lot continue with your ancient battles over fictional "honour". Better to be a Shudra than to be one from the beheader caste.
Pashtuns are not half as honourable as the myths about them try to portray. Fact is that like most people, they are fallible.
You learnt from your mistakes and exemplified the corrected behavior on May 12th, and recently when you butchered 40 or so lawyers. Quite honorable indeed. Dont compare yourself to Pashtuns.
Sa1eem, your question is childish. Its the ethnicity crafted by Altaf and MQM used it, even on its flag in first 8 years and so. Why asking others. Ask Altaf and MQM themselves.
My mother tongue is Urdu and I was born and raised in Karachi. None of my family member ever used the word Mohajir for themselves. Actually most were shocked to learn that term that people or their children rather, after 40 years of migration are calling themselves Mohajir.
You need to ask question to the people who invented (or used for political gain) the term, not who oppose the term. Thats stupidity and jahalat. First you sell a product A and then make a 180 degree turn and say we have a counter product B and question the general consumer (who buy or don't buy either of them) that product A never existed. Or the advertized and marketed ingredients and functionality of the product never existed. It works totally inversely than what general people think about it. Utter non-sense.
Your post confirms what I said and that is, Muhajir is not ethnicity. If Mujhajir was ethnicity than you could not have denied it as you claim that you are also from same group of people. To me, Muhajir is an identity (not ethnicity), a name to identify a group of people of various ethnic backgrounds settled in Sindh.
We have to understand that every person in Pakistan has minimum of 4 to 5 identities. One is Pakistani (we all are Pakistanis). Second is our provincial identity and that is being Sindhi, Punjabi, Baloch and Sarhadi. In this respect, Muhajirs are Sindhi. Further we have identity within provincial identity and that is of few types. Language related, family related, tribal related, ethnic related, etc. For instance big language related identities within provinces are, Saraki and Punjabi in Punjab, Pakhtun and Hindko in Sarhad, Pakhtun and Baloch in Balochistan and Sindhi and Muhajir in Sindh. It could not be Urdu because Muhajirs speak various languages and Urdu even within Muhajirs is language of communication that they have adopted in past or are adopting today very fast. Obviously, within language related identity there are many sub identities (for instance ... tribal identity, ethnic identity, family identity ... etc).
So, what is big deal about that? Well, fact is that MQM did not choose Muhajir as identity. Muhajirs were called Muhajirs, Talier, Makkar, Bihari, Bhaiya etc by Pakistanis having their own sub-identities as they wanted a name, a sub-identity to identify Muhajirs around them. MQM did was made a choice from various Names available to them given by rest of Pakistanis and choose one name from those given options.
I think, MQM may have probably decided after observing East Pakistan fiasco where even though Mujahirs of East Pakistan used to call themselves Pakistani, still Pakistanis recognise them as Biharis or ‘Biharis of Bengal’ regardless of they like it or not. Hence, probably MQM may have decided to adopt a name 'Muhajir' before they get recognised as Makkar or Talier of Sindh ... That is what I could think.
Re: deadlock happened cause of nawaz sherrifs zid of thrid tie pm bar
^ wohi murghay ki ik taang.
I need one identity that is Pakistani and its enough for me.
Second thing is that this Muhajir thing is MQM's desease, not mine. MQM preached Muhajir ideology and I have and press and the whole world has 1.5 Trillion (approx :D) proof of that. Which you completely deny
I am out of this useless discussion since you guys will keep repeating the newly refined theory of identities and ethnicities (or cleansing of) etc and complete denial of Nine-Zero copyrighted racial and facist stuff which they are trying to shrug off now in this decade to go NATIONAL.
You learnt from your mistakes and exemplified the corrected behavior on May 12th, and recently when you butchered 40 or so lawyers. Quite honorable indeed. Dont compare yourself to Pashtuns.
An attack by ANP, PPP, etc. terrorists was the reason for the violence. I'm not the one doing comparisons.
I need one identity that is Pakistani and its enough for me.
That's sweet, but it seems you have never lived one day as a middle class person in Pakistan. Living outside of the country or in posh areas, you can say that very easily. Life for the poor and oppressed is very different. Don't confuse idealism with reality.
To me, Muhajir is an identity (not ethnicity), a name to identify a group of people of various ethnic backgrounds settled in Sindh.
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Let me add little bit in this defination,
To me, Muhajir is political group, to identify a group of people of various ethnic backgrounds settled in Sindh,must be a member of MQM and are working to feed the leadership of MQM for their idea of creating this group.
Well Spock, you want reference. Even though many of PML(Q) votes fell to independents as many PML(Q) were contesting election with each other as independents (I will give you reference to that too), still they got highest number of votes in Punjab. Here is reference of vote break down in each provinces …:
If you want to know how PML(Q) votes are unaccounted, check NA57 results: On this constituency, two PML(Q) candidates contested election with each other as independent and PML(N) got the seats (votes of all 3 are close to each other).
Sh Aftab Ahmed (PML-N) : 38755 votes [Won by 362 votes]
Maik Aslam (ind): 38392 votes
Eman Wasim (ind): 33975 votes
Azmat Ali Bukhari (PPP): 13554 votes
Malik Wasim (Ind): had PML-Q ticket for this constituency but contested as ind in protest. Was PML-Q cabinet minister in Shaukat Aziz cabinet].
Eman Wasim (Ind): is Shujaat Hussain neice. She resigned from her seat in Attock for Shaukat Aziz. She contested independent but had support of Ch Shujaat Hussain - President of PML-Q.
So, even though PML(Q) total was 72367 votes, these votes are not even accounted as PML-Q votes in above total, as both their candidates contested as Independent, whereas PML(N) won the seats securing only 38755 votes (won by 362 votes).
[If you do not believe me, try to find that out yourself. But then, this happened a lot during 2008 election. For instance, Wottoo had his own party PML(Jinnah) and he joined his party with PML-Q, became Senior VP of PML-Q and still he is SVP of PML-Q, but contested election as Independent … as he do not like Ch Shujaat as President of PML-Q, but is with President Musharraf].
I think that once PML-Q would sort out their leadership … or maybe in future President Musharraf may get into practical politics (I do not know if he would) as President of PML-Q, then PML-Q is certain to lead future Pakistan.
Note: Boycott of APDA did not mean votes were not cast as total turnout (49 percent) was more than last election when I believe turnout was around 45 percent. Actually, in this constituency, PML(N) got votes of all parties in APDA including JI and TI.
Re: Is it moral for the Govt to sell accused people?
**Sa1eem, do you know how to read, I said PROVINCIAL ASSEMBLY. Your friend RP already posted this. Next time do bother to read what I said, or if you dont understand the angreji, ask me instead of typing out paras and paras of irrelevent stuff!
**Elections to the Majlis-i-Shura (National Assembly)
that has caused so many deaths so far. But what else can be expected from these uneducated and uncivilized inidan immigrants. And yes selling daughters to the pimps of Lucknow at the highest bid is also an integral part of their shudra culture, thnaks to remind us-and no, I’m not a follower of Hinduism but I know who Shudras are.