Actually Sher, you are right. Go on and show these guys what they are missing. After Miss miss’s reply they deserve you more than they know. :k:
So, Mr Sher is bringing forward a story that supposedly happened thousands of years ago, is mentioned in the Bible, and quoted by story-writers through the ages, with no evidence to support its authenticity to prove that muslims are racist. Well done, sir!
Actually, if you try really hard, you may actually find something better than this.
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So, Mr Sher is bringing forward a story that supposedly happened thousands of years ago, is mentioned in the Bible, and quoted by story-writers through the ages, with no evidence to support its authenticity to prove that muslims are racist. Well done, sir!
Actually, if you try really hard, you may actually find something better than this.
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Who did wake you up?
^ haha.. is that your best reply?
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
So, Mr Sher is bringing forward a story that supposedly happened thousands of years ago, is mentioned in the Bible, and quoted by story-writers through the ages, with no evidence to support its authenticity to prove that muslims are racist. Well done, sir!
Actually, if you try really hard, you may actually find something better than this.
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Hey,, what time is it where you are... ?
Islam is not based on baseless stories. This racist story has its bases in Christianity and some writers who happen to be Muslim might have quoted it, but that doesn’t make it Islamic, we don’t follow what any scholar might say or write unless he backs it up with proof from the Islamic sources, because there is no hierarchy in Islam we are not bound by what any Mullah might say.
The following makes it clear what Islam has got to say about racism.
“O mankind! We have created you from a male and female, and have made you into nations and tribes; that you may know one another, Indeed the most noblest of you with Allaah is the one who has the most taqwaa (piety, fear, and obedience of Allaah).” [TMQ 49:13] – Allah/God :swt:
“Indeed there is no excellence for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor for a non-Arab over on Arab, nor for a White person over a Black one, nor for a Black person over a White one, except through taqwaa (piety and obedience to Allaah). –Prophet Muhammad :saw:
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**So, Mr Sher is bringing forward a story that supposedly happened thousands of years ago, is mentioned in the Bible, and quoted by story-writers through the ages, with no evidence to support its authenticity to prove that muslims are racist. Well done, sir!*
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Exactly.
Sher, If you have something more tangible, please by all means do share it with us in this thread. If not, then why open this thread in the first place - unless you just wanted to jump at any opportunity to malign Islam and Muslims ? If there's a tangible criticism, lay it out for our knowledge. If not, then i don't understand the purpose of opening this thread to begin with.
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Frankly there is some truth in the quotes of the initial posts. :)
Criticizing Islam is so in, Sher cant just miss out can he?
Sher you have so convinced everyone with your baseless argument and your little story. :k:
You might, however, want to look at the number of African americans reverting to islam despite this “open hatred” that Islam has towards them.
Matsui, naraaz nahi hothey 
, all i said was bring your point fwd 
If you ask me, i would say without any doubt Islam is the best, but i respect all other religions. We don’t have to prove anything, but it is You who has to find out which is the best.
I observe the state of affairs in this thread
Matsui’s upset and sher’s run away after a couple of one liners…
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The son which was mentioned in the quran, which i believe was the only son he had.
The persian and arab philosophers youve mentioned were they muslims or zorastrian and idol worshippers?
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Dear MyStiCal_Miss: Can you show us word "ONLY" anywhere. That "Noah had only son". What i believe that he had "a" son who did not follow him.
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Dear MyStiCal_Miss: Can you show us word *"ONLY"** anywhere. That "Noah had only son". What i believe that he had "a" son who did not follow him.
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He had 3 sons (on record) Ham, Shem, Japheth. and it was Ham who was cursed.
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He had 3 sons (on record) Ham, Shem, Japheth. and it was Ham who was cursed.
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What i think He had 4 known sons. 3 went with him on the boat (Ham, Shem, Japheth). And the other did not. About the one who did not follow him, mentioned in Quran. as posted earlier in the same thread by MyStiCaL_MisS.
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What i think He had 4 **known* sons. 3 went with him on the boat (Ham, Shem, Japheth). And the other did not. About the one who did not follow him, mentioned in Quran. as posted earlier in the same thread by MyStiCaL_MisS.
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You may be right. As it say in the bible that there were 3 sins who came out of the Boat but did not mentioned the 4th one but that doesn't mean that there was not a 4th son.
"The sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem, Ham and Japheth. These were the three sons of Noah, and from them came the people who were scattered over the earth." (Genesis 9:18-19).
If you guys are not even sure if he had 3 sons or 4, then how can you be so sure if that story is true? The stories are all mixed up...
It has different versions, one of them is somwhat like this 'Noah was drunk and naked, and his sons were embarrassed to see him, so they covered him up, and the mother consoled them, as they were upset',,
then somwhere you have that Noahs wife was 'evil' and she was left in the flood...
The son which 'i believe' was the only son mentioned in the quran, who was of his family and left behind.
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If you guys are not even sure if he had 3 sons or 4, then how can you be so sure if that story is true? The stories are all mixed up...
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However you point can be correct. But your method of criticism is not correct. Not knowing the exact number does not mean the story is wrong. There is lots of evidence in favor of this opinion. For your convenience one is as follows.
Shakir 18:22 say: (They are) three, the fourth of them being their dog; and (others) say: Five, the sixth of them being their dog, making conjectures at what is unknown; and (others yet) say: Seven, and the eighth of them is their dog. Say: My Lord best knows their number, none knows them but a few; therefore contend not in the matter of them but with an outward contention, and do not question concerning them any of them.
Yusufali 18:22 say they were three, the dog being the fourth among them; (others) say they were five, the dog being the sixth,- doubtfully guessing at the unknown; (yet others) say they were seven, the dog being the eighth. Say thou: "My Lord knoweth best their number; It is but few that know their (real case)." Enter not, therefore, into controversies concerning them, except on a matter that is clear, nor consult any of them about (the affair of) the Sleepers.
Pickthal 18:22 will say: They were three, their dog the fourth, and (some) say: Five, their dog the sixth, guessing at random; and (some) say: Seven, and their dog the eighth. Say (O Muhammad): My Lord is Best Aware of their number. None knoweth them save a few. So contend not concerning them except with an outward contending, and ask not any of them to pronounce concerning them.
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The son which 'i believe' was the only son mentioned in the quran, who was of his family and left behind.
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Try to understand the **Asloob* of Quran. Quran talk about those things and told those stories which are related to Emaan. It does not mean that there was nothing else in their lives. Noah' (AS) may have other sons but it was not necessary to mentions their stories. because the only son who refused to accept the teaching was mentioned in Quran and it is important for us. Quran does not ask us to deny the other aspects of history.
On the plus side at least real life doesn’t reflect what goes on in forums like this.
Sher get a life.
to laugh............or to cry........to laugh ...........
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On the plus side at least real life doesn't reflect what goes on in forums like this.
Sher get a life.
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Is it true that non-arabs/non-muslims had to pay more taxes than arabs/muslims??? was it not discrimination OR was the way to force them to accept Islam. either way it doesn't look fair,,,does it?