Racial category

[ssingh]

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bhindians are not greeks but *edit *pakistanis are definitely arabs.

[sweet_taboo]

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How can Khatris look like south indians when they all originated from the potohar-rawalpindi area of Pakistan. Even among punjabis, khatris are the lightest skinned of all castes.

The Khatris I've seen have all been very dark and skinny.

Maybe you mean Kshatriys, some of them are light skinned but not all.

[abdelyuuki]

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LOL this topic has deviated sooo much, last two pages are hilarious :D

Then we have the Hindko speakers who call themselves Pathan.

The Siraiki speakers label themselves different to Punjabis too.

Mirpuris call themselves Kashmiri Jatts.

Punjabis call themselves Arab/Iranian Rajputs and Jatts

Next we'l be hearing about Sindhis having Swedish ancestry and Parvez mushraff having Irish grandparents...

P.S. I agree with Sweet_taboo's post!!!

[Captain1]

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@ssingh

bhindians are not greeks but Editpakistanis are definitely arabs.

wrong simley dude… use this →

[lakkis25]

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@mercenary2k

Kristina Kreuk is half Dutch and half Chinese. Her Dad is Dutch and hence her dutch last name and her mother is Chinese

But since Pakistan is between Europe and Asia. Thus People who are half white and half asian tend to look like Pakistanis who live in Kashmir and NWFP

Please some one help, i going to forget my Geography

[Captain1]

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@moin.ul.atiq

But Vinod Khanna, Anil Kapoor etc. look dark-skinned to me. We have had some Punjabi Khatris(like in 1000s) in 4 villages surrounding ours in 1947- they all gladly accepted Islam.

I thought you are against Indian movies and don’t watch them at all… whatever did Mulana Qazi say about this issue? :aq:

[Captain1]

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@lakkis25

Please some one help, i going to forget my Geography

Very soon you will also forget we are all human being, you will only remember all the shades/colors.

[lakkis25]

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@Shaheen

iss waqt tau aap ko yeh thread chorr dena chaahiye

tell me kitne log is thread ko chorr rahe hai

[lakkis25]

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Very soon you will also forget we are all human being, you will only remember all the shades/colors.

yep. may be moin is working in some paint company, thats why he always speak about colors, :)

[lakkis25]

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what's konkani?

is the language spoken in goa

[Mallika]

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@queer

GSBs too claim to be non-native. chitpavans claim to be greek like moin pai, GSBs claim to be kashmiri like mercy2k.

GSBs don’t claim to be kashmiri pandits but their distant ancestors might have been kashmiri pandits who migrated out or are still there in jammu and kashmir. Who knows! I speak konkani(of mangalore) and not kashmiri(koshur), queerdude.

[sweet_taboo]

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LOL this topic has deviated sooo much, last two pages are hilarious :D

Then we have the Hindko speakers who call themselves Pathan.

The Siraiki speakers label themselves different to Punjabis too.

Mirpuris call themselves Kashmiri Jatts.

Punjabis call themselves Arab/Iranian Rajputs and Jatts

Next we'l be hearing about Sindhis having Swedish ancestry and Parvez mushraff having Irish grandparents...

P.S. I agree with Sweet_taboo's post!!!

Transitional Ethnic groups such as Punjabis (Siraikis) on the border areas with Sindh identifying as Sindhis, Punjabis (Mirpuris) on the border with Kashmir-Valley as Kashmiris, or Punjabis (Hindkowans) on the borders with Pashtunkhwa identifying as Pashtuns is not really far fetched and is actually true in most cases, they normally descend from a paternal tribe belonging to these Ethnic groups so because people in Pak trace their lineage/identity only through the paternal side that's what they tend to identify with.

I personally don't agree with that thinking because to me Ethnicity is not inherited rather it is practiced, they might very well be be of Pashtun or Kashmiri descent/ancestory but if they don't speak Pashto or Koshur anymore then they are not Pashtun or Kashmiri but rather Punjabi if they now speak a dialect of Punjabi, similarly those that have adopted Pashto and Koshur despite being of Hindko and Arab ancestory are Pashtun and Kashmiri in my book. At the end of the day only your language determines your Ethnicity, other than that every Ethnicity is racially a mixture anyway, no Ethnicity is of pure-lineage, every tribe/caste in the same Ethnicity is usally of different roots and that's true for Pashtuns, Punjabis and now Kashmiris. I don't use other aspects of culture such as dress, cuisine, music, architecture, values to define Ethnicity because those things are a bit slipper and constantly chaning especially now when their is a single universal cosmopolite culture all over the world, at least in the urban areas.

To me Hindko, Siraiki and Mirpuri are sub-dialects of Punjabi just like Doabi and Majhi so anyone who speaks these dialects as their mother tongue is a Punjabi.

[Light_Bearer]

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but I am not Rajpoot neither am I fair skinned. Moin bura maan jaaye gaa.

So bloody what, I am rajpoot but not fair. tasveer dikhao tasveer dekhao.

[Light_Bearer]

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@lakkis25

tell me kitne log is thread ko chorr rahe hai :)

Aap logon nain phir thread chorrnay churrwanay ki batein shoro kardien. :)

[abdelyuuki]

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Transitional Ethnic groups such as Punjabis (Siraikis) on the border areas with Sindh identifying as Sindhis, Punjabis (Mirpuris) on the border with Kashmir-Valley as Kashmiris, or Punjabis (Hindkowans) on the borders with Pashtunkhwa identifying as Pashtuns is not really far fetched and is actually true in most cases, they normally descend from a paternal tribe belonging to these Ethnic groups so because people in Pak trace their lineage/identity only through the paternal side that's what they tend to identify with.

I personally don't agree with that thinking because to me Ethnicity is not inherited rather it is practiced, they might very well be be of Pashtun or Kashmiri descent/ancestory but if they don't speak Pashto or Koshur anymore then they are not Pashtun or Kashmiri but rather Punjabi if they now speak a dialect of Punjabi, similarly those that have adopted Pashto and Koshur despite being of Hindko and Arab ancestory are Pashtun and Kashmiri in my book. At the end of the day only your language determines your Ethnicity, other than that every Ethnicity is racially a mixture anyway, no Ethnicity is of pure-lineage, every tribe/caste in the same Ethnicity is usally of different roots and that's true for Pashtuns, Punjabis and now Kashmiris. I don't use other aspects of culture such as dress, cuisine, music, architecture, values to define Ethnicity because those things are a bit slipper and constantly chaning especially now when their is a single universal cosmopolite culture all over the world, at least in the urban areas.

To me Hindko, Siraiki and Mirpuri are sub-dialects of Punjabi just like Doabi and Majhi so anyone who speaks these dialects as their mother tongue is a Punjabi.

Ethnicity has a racial element too in my opinion and not just cultural. There are quite distinct differences. I personally wouldnt call a Punjabi person living in Peshawar speaking Pashto a Pathan and not many people would. Ethnicity to me compsoes racials to an extent, culture/language over atleast a couple of hundred years, and by that time there is almost 90% certainty that living amongst people of a different race/ethnicity would result in racial mixture with them. Thus over a couple of hundred years changing the ethnicity completely.

About the mirpuris, you missed the point. There is no way you can be a Jatt and be a Kashmiri. Period. Kashmiri tribes and names have been passed down for over a thousand years, some names are from the times of the Ashokas such as Dhar. Also about the border areas..Kashmir is a valley 7000ft high, their are huge mountains between Kashmir valley in india and the POK, thus the total difference in language/culture/looks. If you look at the scope of Punjabi and its dialects, they stretch from Himachal Pradesh to all the way to near NWFP in Pakistan, that is a huge difference. Whereas koshur is only spoken in the Valley of Kashmir. The mountains and rough terrain has a lot to do with it.

[sweet_taboo]

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Fine bro, that's your opninion but to me it seems a bit outdated in this day and age. It's quite unhealthy to be so hung up on race, I've seen that Afghans, Pakis, Iranians and Kashmiris have a really bad complex when it comes to race, that sort of mindset causes an arrogant "Hinduish casteist" attitude where others are shunned and people insist on intermarrying like the Ashekenazi-inbreds and turn out as freaks.

Ethnic groups should be inclusive not exclusive, of course there's going to be a certain majority genotype/phenotype which will define each Ethnicity but it doesn't mean that those who don't fit that are not good enough to be part of that group.

Amongst Punjabis there are Jatts, Rajputs, Brahmins, Gujjars, Khans, Chamars... all of who have distinct roots, some settled in Punjab earlier than others but they're all Punjabi because they speak Punjabi as their mother tongue and live in Punjab.

Amongst Pashtuns the Ghilzai's (largest Pashtun tribe, 25% Afghans) are of Turkic origin, the Moshwoni's are of Arab descent (from Nabi Muhammed S.A.W.), other tribes are of Greek origins and others of Hebrew (lost tribes of Israel).

I heard a lot of foreign freedom fighters who settled in Kashmir also intermarried amongst the locals...

[mohammadali]

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LOL this topic has deviated sooo much, last two pages are hilarious

Then we have the Hindko speakers who call themselves Pathan.

The Siraiki speakers label themselves different to Punjabis too.

Mirpuris call themselves Kashmiri Jatts.

Punjabis call themselves Arab/Iranian Rajputs and Jatts

Next we'l be hearing about Sindhis having Swedish ancestry and Parvez mushraff having Irish grandparents...

P.S. I agree with Sweet_taboo's post!!!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOOLO WAY KOOL MAN

[mohammadali]

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its bad alll r human at the end of day lolololol

[2honest]

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pakistaniyon kay chehray par noor hota hai naa... aur phir all pakistanies are Rajpoot you know.

ur right pakistanis are hell hot and pretty. we smeel hella good and can get linked to anyhtin..... were the best :)

[2honest]

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Why are Pakis so desperate to be different from Indians? The same people who despise Arabs (more than Indians) are claiming to be of Arab descent just to be different from Indians, lol.

Some Pakis are different from Indians such as Pashtuns, Balochs and Kashmiris (IMO Indian occupied Kashmir is not a legit part of India so they're not Indian) but Paki Punjabis are the same Ethnicity as Indian Punjabis, Sindhis are similar to Rajasthanis, Urdu speaking people are similar to Hindi speaking people...

There's some Urdu/Punjabi people who really are of Middle Eastern descent but they're a minority. Punjabis tend to be a lighter brown than other Desis such as Gujiis whether they're Muslim or Sikh, the lightness is not due to recent Arab/Irani migrations but rather the early Aryan invasions/migrations (depending on which theory you favour) to South-Asia, our region was racially mixed way before Arabs came here. Sikhs and Brahmin-Hindus look just like Pakistanis but I admit Khatri-Hindus do tend to look a little more "South-Indian".

Just because Paki Punjabis are the same ethnicity as Sikhs doesn't mean they have to feel affinity with them, Pakistani Punjabis are Punjabis in their own right, they can be proud of their wonderful culture and heritage without the need to ally themselves with Indian Punjabis. I understand that the two Punjabis have had bitter relations and this makes Pakis want to renounce their heritage.

dude ur hella stupid pakistanis r diff. from indian i mena everything.