Race Riots Spreads Across Paris Suburbs After Death of Muslim Boys!

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Could be. And who would blame France. Looks like a looming catastrophe. http://www.nypost.com/commentary/53917.htm

How did it all start? The accepted account is that sometime last week, a group of young boys in Clichy engaged in one of their favorite sports: stealing parts of parked cars.
Normally, nothing dramatic would have happened, as the police have not been present in that suburb for years.

The problem came when one of the inhabitants, a female busybody, telephoned the police and reported the thieving spree taking place just opposite her building. The police were thus obliged to do something — which meant entering a city that, as noted, had been a no-go area for them.

Once the police arrived on the scene, the youths — who had been reigning over Clichy pretty unmolested for years — got really angry. A brief chase took place in the street, and two of the youths, who were not actually chased by the police, sought refuge in a cordoned-off area housing a power pylon. Both were electrocuted.

Once news of their deaths was out, Clichy was all up in arms.

With cries of “God is great,” bands of youths armed with whatever they could get hold of went on a rampage and forced the police to flee.

The French authorities could not allow a band of youths to expel the police from French territory. So they hit back — sending in Special Forces, known as the CRS, with armored cars and tough rules of engagement.

Within hours, the original cause of the incidents was forgotten and the issue jelled around a demand by the representatives of the rioters that the French police leave the “occupied territories.” By midweek, the riots had spread to three of the provinces neighboring Paris, with a population of 5.5 million.

But who lives in the affected areas? In Clichy itself, more than 80 percent of the inhabitants are Muslim immigrants or their children, mostly from Arab and black Africa. In other affected towns, the Muslim immigrant community accounts for 30 percent to 60 percent of the population. But these are not the only figures that matter. Average unemployment in the affected areas is estimated at around 30 percent and, when it comes to young would-be workers, reaches 60 percent.

In these suburban towns, built in the 1950s in imitation of the Soviet social housing of the Stalinist era, people live in crammed conditions, sometimes several generations in a tiny apartment, and see “real French life” only on television.

The French used to flatter themselves for the success of their policy of assimilation, which was supposed to turn immigrants from any background into “proper Frenchmen” within a generation at most.

That policy worked as long as immigrants came to France in drips and drops and thus could merge into a much larger mainstream. Assimilation, however, cannot work when in most schools in the affected areas, fewer than 20 percent of the pupils are native French speakers.

France has also lost another powerful mechanism for assimilation: the obligatory military service abolished in the 1990s.

As the number of immigrants and their descendants increases in a particular locality, more and more of its native French inhabitants leave for “calmer places,” thus making assimilation still more difficult.

In some areas, it is possible for an immigrant or his descendants to spend a whole life without ever encountering the need to speak French, let alone familiarize himself with any aspect of the famous French culture.

The result is often alienation. And that, in turn, gives radical Islamists an opportunity to propagate their message of religious and cultural apartheid.

Some are even calling for the areas where Muslims form a majority of the population to be reorganized on the basis of the “millet” system of the Ottoman Empire: Each religious community (millet) would enjoy the right to organize its social, cultural and educational life in accordance with its religious beliefs.

In parts of France, a de facto millet system is already in place. In these areas, all women are obliged to wear the standardized Islamist “hijab” while most men grow their beards to the length prescribed by the sheiks.

The radicals have managed to chase away French shopkeepers selling alcohol and pork products, forced “places of sin,” such as dancing halls, cinemas and theaters, to close down, and seized control of much of the local administration.

A reporter who spent last weekend in Clichy and its neighboring towns of Bondy, Aulnay-sous-Bois and Bobigny heard a single overarching message: The French authorities should keep out.

“All we demand is to be left alone,” said Mouloud Dahmani, one of the local “emirs” engaged in negotiations to persuade the French to withdraw the police and allow a committee of sheiks, mostly from the Muslim Brotherhood, to negotiate an end to the hostilities.

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^ why would some area of a city FOR POLICE be a "no go" area when its their JOB to enforce Law & Order?

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There are ghettoes in every city. Well i think US of A would also have such places.
But its a pity that these people who come from a war ravaged countries then when are in numbers start a war against the state which had given them an identity and shelter.

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Good point. Maybe it was a mistaken notion that ‘if we let them be they will happier’?

France make its faux pas, but how do you explain the mulitple faux pas of community wise men? LOng beards, hijabs, isolation, no assimilation, low education, etc.

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sorry I don’t buy that.

Please, don’t mix them with “problems” or “issues” of a society, having beard or hijab is not a root cause of sickness.

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Just a few months ago a few buildings were burnt down in Paris, which highlighted the impoverished state of African immigrants and other ethnic minorities in France. They were complaining how nothing was being done about the displaced people.

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so its not just the “immigrants” not “integrating/assimilation” but also society/govt not accepting them as their citizens!

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So basically what we have here is, I come to your land and now it is your duty to keep me warm, fed and happy. My only duty is to complain.

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Not really, complain of “immigrants not integrating/assimilate” doesn’t stand legitimate if the govt is doing what the immigrants are doing. If immigrants are not “integrating” and govt/society is not accepting them as part of society then they (both) are going no where except whine at every opportunity they get.

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Woo, when the French needed cheap labor after the WWII, these people from the “colonies” were allowed rather given incentives to come to France, now that there is no work for them so they should go back?

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All those who are crying for integration/assimilation should look at how did the French and the British use to live or are living in many countries.

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french did lot of atrocities in their colonies. This is a known fact. But by the middle of 1970's they tried honestly to help these colonies. In helping them they had to take sides and finally ended up with a large imigrant population. Mostly the immigrants are from Algeria.
But the french govt was always proud of their immigrant policies. Even in sports u could find how many of their fotballers are black. Zidane parents are from Algeria.
SO its not that they are not allowed to assimilate in the society.The problem is huge number of immigrants that are pouring in who are unskilled and uneducated and prone to violence.

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Are you sayng yu want the French to continue providing cheap labor? Most immigrants would want better for their children/grandchildren.

Mauritius was a french colony and it had slaves from India. We dont’ see them rioting today. They’re quite happy being both indian and french, and their kids go to college instead of breaking cars.

Accept it, mon ami, the French can be blamed 20% only.

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Vineshvk

You know the the huge numbers of immigrants who keeps on poring in is because Algiers was a colony until 1970, that’s like just "35 years" ago. So this means that the country is still governed by the people who were actually collaborated with the colonist, but then that’s would be the blame the others thing isn’t it. The large numbers of unemployed and uneducated immigrants are violent because they were never accepted as French at the first place. Its not just France, this trend is very obvious in all cultures/countries of EU and of European descent.

Metromamma, do you think the French can still provide cheap labor? This situation is there because the sons of immigrants want what the "French" never gave to them.

Mauritius, is that the best colony you can come up with, the last I checked they got their independence from UK, and if you are familiar with former French colonies you would be surprised that non of them were left in any good shape and non of them are in good shape. Its just that the French should be owned 80%, not 20%.

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Look, this has very little to do with immigration. The people we are talking about represent the underclass of France. When there is an economic boom, the underclass is fully employed because they are needed. There are plenty of opportunities for upward movement because there is a need for ever more skilled labor. Everybody wins.

When economic policies fail. it is always the underclass who suffers disproportionately. It does not matter whether they are Muslim immigrants or Mexican field workers in the US. France has set itself on a course of arrogance where they believe that they can have 10 weeks of paid vacation a year, mandated benefits, unlimited worker rights, and they have made themselves uncompetitive in the world market. Who in thier right mind would locate a factory in France where the cost of labor is so high and productivity is so low?

When you have India or China or Indonesia where workers are a lot less expensive, that is where the jobs would be. Do you think they would take in the Moroccans? Not a chance. They are happy to get all of their own people employed.

At best the cultural separation and lack of integration simply makes these Muslim youth the most likely candidates for becoming the underclass. But it is the anti-business policies of the French government that condemns the underclass, no matter who they might be.

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Why does it always come down to integeration. Please tell me how muslims have not integerated or what do you call integeration (going to night clubs, drinking?? eating pork? e.t.c). When you try to enforce self-ordained integeration, the end result is civil unrest. France cannot hide its racist face behind its so-called democratic values. Provision of social benefits to under priveleged group is applaudable but lets not forget that poeple need more than just food to survive. They need respect and equall opportunities.

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Its not just the under priveleged that suffer from the racism in France.

Yazid Sabeg is a rarity among France’s business elite. He is North African. And those two facts, he believes, are not unconnected.

“A lot of people don’t like my face,” says the 55-year-old industrialist.

Whether or not corporate France is “viscerally racist”, as Mr Sabeg contends, it certainly lacks diversity.

In 1991 intelligence services wrote a scathing report about Mr Sabeg, based on false rumours that he was financing Algerian militants.
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Investigative journalist Christophe Deloire - who uncovered the report - says the rumours about Mr Sabeg were malicious.**

In 2002 Abdel and Mohamed Djaiziri bought a small supermarket chain in one of bleakest of these estates, Les Pyramides - named after one of Paris’ glitziest areas.

**The Tunisian brothers then did a fateful thing. They turned the supermarket, affiliated to the Franprix chain, into a halal shop.

It was purely a business a decision, they insist: In a predominantly Muslim area, there was no point stocking pork or alcohol that would stay on the shelf.**

But the mayor felt the move contributed to creating a ghetto by making life difficult for non-Muslims, and tried to get the store closed on health grounds.

But their experience - as well as Mr Sabeg’s and the general scarcity of immigrant entrepreneurs in France - helps explain why some Muslim businessmen feel as marginalised as ghetto youths.

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That is why America is 100 times better to live for a Muslim than most of Europe, or for that matter most of so called Muslim countries.

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Why does it always come down to integeration. Please tell me how muslims have not integerated or what do you call integeration
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Following the laws of the land would be a begining...

Tell me in how many countries across the globe have muslims integrated to the society in which they live in apart from the muslim majority countries.

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I think you will find amerika also has its fair share of racism problems, just take a look at the events of Hurricaine Katrina and the attitude and lack of help shown to blacks in New Orleans and the racism muslims and asians have faced since 9/11.