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[Aceones]

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errr, do i deny any elements of radicalism in Muslim? i didn’t know. good for me, probably

[ajazali]

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@psyah

Rather than asking what the Ikhwaan have done to be offensive to others … Is it not just a better thing to seek the true reason of the thread and leave it there … I have no desire to speak **ill of the Ikhwaan **but you are asking us to … And further to prove it … When we do that you say … Sectarian hatred.

you always manage to bring diplomatic response, sory to say, this is the thing that annoys me. You dont bother with OP’s point of equating Brotherhood with terrorists. rather you came in thread to defend OP, and on top of it is you are telling me that you have no desired to speak ILL of Ikhwaan.
obviously it is secterian hate when you have no evidance of detesting of sufis by Brotherhood and keep on blaming them for ‘so’. And hardly you can find some example where someone allegly use the name of Brotherhood to attack sufis,. even if you can find that doesnt mean that single example can be used to generalized whole Brotherhood.
you remember the tactics of giving ‘extreme’ example and throwing out the baby with the bath water?

[ajazali]

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@hareem01

I never said all non-Sufi are like that.
Obviously, you are one of those who deny any elements of radicalism in Muslims. So no point in discussing that with a pure minded person like you.

lolz, hamas, hizbullah, Taliban, muslim bortherhood are all extremists and terrorist organizations for you.

[hareem01]

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@ajazali

lolz, hamas, hizbullah, Taliban, muslim bortherhood are all extremists and terrorist organizations for you.

Extremist? Yes. Terrorist? May be, may be not.

I’m not making it up…they are considered extremist by the whole world.

[ajazali]

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@hareem01

Extremist? Yes. Terrorist? May be, may be not.

I’m not making it up…they are considered extremist by the whole world.

ok, it is then proves that your thread is against those who follow most cautious opinion and are called extremists. clearly intentions are sectarianism.
and TTP are terroist?

[hareem01]

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@ajazali

ok, it is then proves that your thread is against those who follow most cautious opinion and are called extremists.

How so?

My thread is not against anyone.

You asked me who are extremist…and I told you.

Seems like you have too much free time on your hands.

[psyah]

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@Aceones

peace to you too psyah bro
thanks for for answering my question.
then how come its legit to label everyone as TTP and the likes if they do not fall under this definition of tassawuf/ sufism?

This is what the Sufis believe …

If a person is truly undertaking measures to continuously with sincerity trying to orientate him/herself to Allah (SWT) then he/she is practicing tassuwwuf … even if the person dislikes or rejects the idea of “tassuwwuf” he/she can still become a wali … Sufis believe that many people who call themselves “Sufi” can be lesser in the estimation of Allah (SWT) purely because either their sincerity or their to Allah-orientation is not adequate.

Unless a person himself claims to be something then a label is only an opinion. Morsi is a self-claimed Ikhwaani. So why call him other than what he calls himself? TTP call themselves TTP, so why call them anything other than that? When we compare groups we are not comparing Morsi with Baitullah Mehsud, but we are comparing the ideology of Ikhwaan with the ideology of TTP - that is a legitimate exercise.

[ajazali]

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@hareem01

How so?

My thread is not against anyone.

You asked me who are extremist…and I told you. Go commit suicide.

what is your problem if they are not terrorist and and follow the most cautious opinion, dont follow what exactly sufis follow?
you didnt answer, TTP are terroist or not?

[hareem01]

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@ajazali

what is your problem if they are not terrorist and and follow the most cautious opinion, dont follow what exactly sufis follow?
you didnt answer, TTP are terroist or not?

I don’t have any problem with anyone or you…and no, I don’t want TTP or anyone else to become Sufis. I don’t think like you.

[ajazali]

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@psyah

This is what the Sufis believe …

If a person is truly undertaking measures to continuously with sincerity trying to orientate him/herself to Allah (SWT) then he/she is practicing tassuwwuf … even if the person dislikes or rejects the idea of “tassuwwuf” he/she can still become a wali … Sufis believe that many people who call themselves “Sufi” can be lesser in the estimation of Allah (SWT) purely because either their sincerity or their to Allah-orientation is not adequate.

Unless a person himself claims to be something then a label is only an opinion. Morsi is a self-claimed Ikhwaani. So why call him other than what he calls himself? TTP call themselves TTP, so why call them anything other than that? When we compare groups we are not comparing Morsi with Baitullah Mehsud, but we are comparing the ideology of Ikhwaan with the ideology of TTP - that is a legitimate exercise.

or it can be called secterianism

[hareem01]

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It’s sectarianism…not secterianism.

[psyah]

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@hareem01

How so?

My thread is not against anyone.

You asked me who are extremist…and I told you.

Seems like you have too much free time on your hands.

Please leave it now … you are passionate that is good. But it is better to say what you want and leave any provocative questions unanswered.

[ajazali]

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@hareem01

I don’t have any problem with anyone or you…and no, I don’t want TTP or anyone else to become Sufis. I don’t think like you.

I asked simple question.
TTP is terrorists organization or not?

[ajazali]

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@psyah

Please leave it now … you are passionate that is good. But it is better to say what you want and leave any provocative questions unanswered.

lolz, as if equating brotherhood with TTP is not provocative.

[Ali_Syed]

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@ajazali

I asked simple question.
TTP is terrorist or not?

What do u think?

[muqawwee123]

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@ajazali

or it can be called secterianism

@hareem01

It’s sectarianism…not secterianism.

[ajazali]

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@muqawwee123

wo meri english darust karwa rahi hain

[Ali_Syed]

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We have far too long ignored these issues (for far too long) on the pretext that they fan sectarianism. Is discussing topics like these sectarianism, or killing people of other sects (which is done by TTP, Ikhwan’s/Salafis or how ever you put it) sectarianism ?

[ajazali]

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@Ali_Syed

What do u think?

depends what you believe with TTP.
if they are killing our people without any reason then obviously they are Terrorists.
if so then hareem lied when she said that she didnt equate brotherhood with TTP and called non-sufi(brotherhood) terrorists.

[ajazali]

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@Ali_Syed

We have far too long ignored these issues (for far too long) on the pretext that they fan sectarianism. Is discussing topics like these sectarianism, or killing people of other sects (which is done by TTP, Ikhwan’s/Salafis or how ever you put it) sectarianism ?

its is another front of sectarianism. the ones who follow moderate opinions VS ones who follow most cautious opinion.
you have no right of giving this statement regarding Ikhwanis, as you dont have proof.