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Peace ajazali
It may be provocative … she may have provoked you … But then will you listen to my advice as I gave to hareem01? I said “leave provocative questions unanswered” - so since you raised this … “please ignore hareem’s provocative equation” …
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spelling bee
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lol, so many article I have produced in this thread.
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Hizb-u-Tahrir, Al-Muhajiroon, et al … are the people I have had direct contact with. I used to go to their lectures, when I was searching for adopting a line of Islam that I felt was true and consistent. I loved their passion, but I disliked some of their methods …
I am the proof since I have sat with and had discussions with them when they tried to initiate me in to their fold.
Disclaimer: This is not sectarianism - This is my personal finding and I view the Ikhwan members as Muslims and brothers in faith. (It’s a pity that one of them accused my Shaykh of many things 
… )
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“if they are killing without any reason”…
so do you think they have a reason to kill?
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is there any which directly name Brotherhood for killing of other sects?
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More of a hornet than a bee … 
jokes * hareem don’t sting me … 
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My concern is not calling TTP what they are, or Ikhwaan what they are, but to associate all non-sufis with them.
anyway, thank you.
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Apparently it seems the reason that we helped America invade them in Afghanistan so they are after us.
dont creep things plz. you are exactly following the sectarianism mentioned in post #140
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Yep, criticising TTP is fanning sectarianism while remaining quiet on their atrocities is a measure of piety.
So they are justified in killing 50000 people in Pakistan, I think similar attacks would be justified in Egypt too.
There was little sign of reconciliation, however. Liberals and Shi’ites accused Mursi, who announced he will address the nation on Wednesday evening, of fostering sectarian hatred by associating with radical Sunni preachers.
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ustaad ka ihtram sab per farz hai 
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they have their reasons you have yours.
isnt it enough for you that i dont like OP equates Brotherhood with TTP?
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This is my last post in this topic. Being quiet on these atrocities is long gone, now is the time to expose the evil cults (damaging Islam) and their supporters.
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good but how?
by giving salfi extremists examples and labeling on Brotherhood?
and whoever follows most cautious opinion is from evil cult?
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To be clear … no one was comparing all non-Sufis with TTP, just the Ikhwaanis ideology was being compared … some people have also stated that they believe the ikhwaan of the middle-east have started to share traits with the hard liner Salafists. I have heard this on more than one occasion, but I personally reserve judgment. There is a whole waft of Muslims who are neither Sufi, nor Ikhwani nor Salafi - that can be classed as moderate Sunnis who are not being equated with the TTP. To be truer to the picture there are probably some moderate ikhwaanis too, who follow all the religious aspects but not the political ones as much.
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Here is an interesting link: Official Ikhwan site - by Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi
Differences Between the Muslim Brotherhood and Hard-Line Salafi Groups - Ikhwanweb
It appears that the MB is aware of the comparison people are making with the Salafi groups. The Sheikh denies these are entirely valid … but nested within the article are clues to why there are these comparisons being made.
a) The article admits secrecy is employed by the Ikhwan
b) The article admits that the motive of the Ikhwan is to “make Islam victorious” - which is proactive politics
[My problem with this mindset is that assumption that Muslims can make Islam victorious at all … Islam being dominant comes from Allah (SWT), when we correct our own ways as Muslims … This is similar to Zionism - where the Zionist Jews believe they need to actively make Zion victorious]
c) The next clue can be obtained from the following paragraph:
**Splits within groups happen frequently, and this applies to all groups; whether Islamist or not. The main reason is because some people do not like continuous silence and peaceful struggle, and they have a violent and revolutionary character, and hence they split, and establish another group whose course is based on violence. However, more important is the **mother group, and in many cases this is the one that remains, and the splinter groups dissolve into society.
So the word is “Don’t judge the brother by the splinter, judge the brother by the mother”
Note: I highlighted something in “red” above … Being hit and killed and losing patience to react with vengeance without following the instruction from authority is a sign of the lack of strong character. Tassuwwuf would have helped many ikhwan who went rogue and prevented them from becoming a splinter in the side of the mother group.
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I have problem with the mindset that presents Islam like “go ye not to the gentiles”
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Psyah you are making your false assumption to simile their ideology with zoinest ideology. but you will mind if i give you response.
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For Islam to be victorious - the Muslims need to self-correct - self-correction includes giving da’wah (inviting others), through good neighbourly conduct with others and being good examples for other people to emulate and good within ourselves … but it does not include “appointing ourselves as flag-bearers to MAKE Islam victorious” - Victory (in the earthly, stately sense) comes from Allah (SWT) to whoever He chooses - Read in the Qur’an … We merely adopt the best model - and pray that Allah (SWT) gives victory to “us” to make it easy on us to practice Islam, but if He chooses to give victory to anyone else we are unmoved by this and resign in His Wisdom and Will.
We fight to relieve oppression not to gain power - but if power comes our way then we don’t turn it away either.
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Yes I see a similarity there - but perhaps you can correct me.