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So what good things you have to say about the “bad” groups?
In other words, how are you going to defend the radicalized groups of Islamists?
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Anything even bordering radicalizing is bad. The radicalized what I think is when intolerance and hate comes in to minds of people.
What may be radicalized to one, may not be considered radicalized by others. But others may think someone belonging to a different sect is radicalized.
Hence this ping pong game keeps going on with no benefit to anyone.
Salafis are bad since they may be related to TTP and may be funded by KSA, Shias are bad since they may be funded by Iran, alawites are bad since Assad supports this idea, MB are bad since they are not sufi enough..so how come they are showing four fingers then?..and the list goes on and on…
Its all about putting down other sect and trying to earn brownie points for self.
BTW: Should MB supporter show one finger? 
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This isn’t a new phenomenon within the last few decades though, for example Shias were always put down in India where books & treatises against the religion were written frequently even as early as the 1700s..
While Ahl-e-Sunnat now may be breaking these age-old differences to promote unity among different factions, it isn’t the same case with accepting beliefs of Tashayyu..
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maybe they were, but even if they were, they are not member of Brotherhood now. you dont want to see beyond a thing that suits you.
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Anyone who uses force to promote his/her ideas is to be condemned. Period.
Problem here what I see is trying to connect the dots between sects and some bad groups in order to malign the sects or even at times vice versa.
Why not stick to calling bad group with ‘bad actions’ bad, and leave it there?
P.S. Sects may not be bad, but ‘some’ people are, who live their lives so rigidly that everyone else is wrong in their minds. Live and let live.
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Did anyone actually stop to think that the OP was actually telling the Sufis to stop using the 4 finger sign … Due to the insult of wrongly associating the symbol with Morsi and The Brotherhood … If the symbol represents the mosque, that mosque is named after a Sufi saint so it is wrong for SUFIS to use that symbol out of respect for the Sufi saint … The other non-Sufis can continue using whatever they like … So there is no sectarianism here … OP is rebuking her own.
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you can use one finger…no one is stopping you.
Use a finger and a thumb rather.
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It is not about me.
But if I were to do, I would show finger and thumb to those who try to malign other sects on made up differences. 
P.S. Peace! (two fingers sign)
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one muslim is an insult for other muslim and then there is no secterianism here, lolz.
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The Muslim is not the insult … The sign to represent Morsi is wrong and out of place … The use of that sign is an insult to the Saint who we respect and we are being advised not to use that symbol to support Morsi … We don’t have a problem with Ikhwaan, they have it with us … And to make that clear there is not sectarianism from our side … People need a way to communicate and identify one another.
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now its a cover.
anyway, what types of problem they have with you?
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I didn’t malign any sects. The thread was taken in a wrong direction so I responded.
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you started the thread by telling us that Brotherhood is against Sufis, yet could not produced a single instance where they have detested sufis.
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No, now you understand what is going on … No cover … Just an explanation.
If you want to know they have sabotaged many attempts of serious breakthroughs in Syria … Examples, taking money and not spending it in the areas where it was meant, vetoing the presence of a renowned erudite and valuable scholar to the interim committee and power play … Because they have a vested interest … They will fight for power … This is not me being sectarian … This is me not agreeing with their stance.
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Just one minute of searching has provided me with this link.
According to the authoritative newspaper Al-Masry Al-Youm, 16 historic mosques in Alexandria belonging to Sufi orders have been marked for destruction bySalafis. The newspaper notes that Alexandria has 40 mosques associated with Sufis, and is the headquarters for 36 Sufi groups. Half a million Sufis live in the city, out of a municipal total of four million people.
Aggression against the Sufis in Egypt has included a raid on Alexandria’s most distinguished mosque, named for, and housing, the tomb of the 13th century Sufi, al-Mursi Abu’l Abbas. Born in the then-Muslim city of Murcia in southeastern Spain, al-Mursi emigrated to Alexandria. He was a disciple of and successor to the Sufi sheikh Abu’l Hassan al-Shadhili, founder of the powerful Shadhili Sufi order, which remains influential throughout north Africa, south Asia, the Muslim communities of the Indian Ocean, and Indonesia.
Salafis have alleged that Sufis are agents of the west as well as heretics. The extremists want to take control of Sufi mosques, after they destroy shrines within their precincts.
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if this incident has happened under the rule of brotherhood, does that mean it was brotherhood who attacked those sufis shrines?
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With all respects due, you have contradiction here.
This is the kind of thought process which gives meat to muslim-haters to arrange bbq parties.
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that is how democratic system works.
anyway, can you give some instance specifically?
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The attacks against sufis have increased in the aftermath of Hosni Mobarak’s ouster. Since the attacks are perpetrated by salafis its natural for sufis to look at Muslim Brotherhood (whose biggest ally was the Noor party) with suspicion.
http://www.alarabiya.net/views/2012/09/24/239838.html
In my opinion, such terminology and names no longer really express the truth of the matter. The Salafis now represent the raw state of the Muslim Brotherhood; they are not like the old, traditional Salafis known for their hardline stances on social issues such as women’s clothing, beard shaving, the length of a man’s thobe, music and so on. The traditional Salafi did not have an opinion politically speaking, because they believed in the Wali al-Amr, i.e. absolute obedience to the governor or the state, who, as long as they did not prevent the application of God’s law, were responsible for the management of political affairs. This notion is now almost extinct. As for the new Salafis, they are the Brotherhood in its rudimentary form, i.e. they are the hardliners. The notions of Salafism and the Muslim Brotherhood have been intermingled in Afghanistan, and hence today we see the emergence of what are called the “Salafi jihadists” – militant religious groups, like the traditional Salafis, but with a political project, like the Muslim Brotherhood.
As far as the relationship of salafis with sufis are concerned I am just producing a few references:
BBC News - Worry taints Egyptian Coptic Christmas
Others are more sinister. One cleric, Said Abdulazzim, recorded on YouTube, said that “any Muslim who befriends a Christian or a Sufi, neither of whom ever tell the truth, is misguided, a traitor”.
Salafi intolerance threatens Sufis | Baher Ibrahim | Comment is free | theguardian.com
Sufis In Egypt Thrive With More Than 15 Million Despite Attacks By Islamist Hardliners
Here’s Libya:
Freed from Gaddafi, Libyan Sufis face violent Islamists | Reuters
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i didnt ask you to tell me what salfis had done to sufis.