Yesterday, i went to lunch to an indian restaurant with my colleagues. There were 2 of my male colleagues present too. All of us ordered drinks apart from 1 male colleague who ordered alcohol (beer). No one said anything. During the dinner the guy who ordered the alcohol, asked me if alcohol is allowed or not in Islam to which i answered NO, but there are some people who drink etc etc. He then asked the reason why it isnt allowed? I explained to which he was shaking his head to. He justified his comment by saying that a person does not need to get drunk and having one glass of beer will not make you drunk. At this moment, the other guy asked me to atleast try a sip of wine and for sure i will like it. My blood was boiling at their useless comments but i stayed calm and replied nicely accordingley.
The 1st guy than replied to the whole table saying that he doesnt believe that the Quran states the prohibition of alcohol. He also said that if the Quran states that alcohol is not allowed, he will give up drinking (unlikely, in my opinion) and if i cannot find any reference, i will have to drink - Toba naouazabillah!!
I need reference please so i can prove him wrong. Any help would be much appreciated as i feel they made mockery of the Quran and Islam and yet i was unable to reply accordingley!!
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First it is stated in the Quran: “They ask you regarding wine and gambling. Say, in both of them is major sin, and there is some benefit for men, but the sin of them is far greater than benefit ” (Surah Baqarah)
Second step was taken to prevent the consumption of alcohol, by the revelation of the following verse: “O Believers’ do not approach Salah while intoxicated.” (Surah Nisaa)
3rd and 4th verses concerning the complete prohibition of alcohol, were revealed as part of Surah Ma’idah:
"O you who believe! Intoxicants, gambling, idolatry and arrows (for seeking help on decision) one an abomination of order that you may be successful. Shaytan seeks only to cast amongst you enmity and hatred by means of strong drink and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah and from his worship, will you then not refrain? ”
Allah :swt: in his wisdom, firstly disclosed the evils in alcohol, then prohibited it at Salah times and finally declared it absolutely HARAAM.
I am sure he (your colleague) will twist these to try to prove to you that Quran does not literally states “No alcohol”. Any way goodluck and I pray you do not fall into their trap to taste or drink wine. InshAllah.
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some people are not honest in their behavior towards us.
They deep down have total respect for their own believe which they ALWAYS hide.
At same time to disrespect us. They try to come off as moderates because that give them best leverage to take nasty shots at us.
They guy who won't mingle with a low caste in his own country trying to tell us that there is some wrong with what we believe in. Sounds funny to me.
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Tell the guy who started asking you about quran to go do his own research. Why do you have to defend quran or prove anything?
If on the other hand he is more interested in making you try a drink (as opposed to insulting your religion) then it is up to you. If you want to, try it. If you don't, don't.
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Tell the guy who started asking you about quran to go do his own research. Why do you have to defend quran or prove anything?
If on the other hand he is more interested in making you try a drink (as opposed to insulting your religion) then it is up to you. If you want to, try it. If you don't, don't.
He said that he has and he cant find any reference - he probably hasnt researched probaby or may not even looked anywhere.
I am bit insulted @ that! Have you not read earlier in my other post that my deen is keeping me strong to deter away from these things and people. I am just annoyed now that that guy came along which was not in the plan. :ASA:
Re: Quranic reference about prohibition of Alcohol
Peace Sunset_Eyes
and Peace Numb (probably from alcohol consumption)
The Qur'an tells us to keep away from intoxicants, not from when we are intoxicated. Beer is an intoxicant, it is irrelevant when the state of conscious intoxication kicks in.
Also, you will find that the amount of alcohol equivalent to a lethal dose in 50% of people is less than 0.5% alcohol to blood concentration levels. That is equivalent to just 5 - 6 shots of whiskey in less than a minute for most women.
Re: Quranic reference about prohibition of Alcohol
Peace Sunset_Eyes
and Peace Numb (probably from alcohol consumption)
The Qur'an tells us to keep away from intoxicants, not from when we are intoxicated. Beer is an intoxicant, it is irrelevant when the state of conscious intoxication kicks in.
Also, you will find that the amount of alcohol equivalent to a lethal dose in 50% of people is less than 0.5% alcohol to blood concentration levels. That is equivalent to just 5 - 6 shots of whiskey in less than a minute for most women.
Pure alcohol is more potent still!
I was pretty pissed about the answer of knockout-artist who really deserves a knockout after such a answer...I'm happy to see that GS has members who can give serious answers...thanks again, much appreciated...
Happy Eid to you knockout
Happy Eid to all of you...
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Look guys - there is no such thing as drinking without after effects. Whether it is one beer or a whole case, there is an impact.
I like a drink or two and I don't in the least bit feel guilty about it or for that matter any less near god.
But it is incrrect to claim one beer is nothing. The reason you take that one beer is precisely becaise there is an effect and you like it. Why else will you take it?
The problem here is if somehow you believe it is against god. If you believe that (I Don't) and still drink (whether 1 beer or more) then your conscience will nag you to stress.
Sunset: wth are you offended by what I said earlier? I said drink if you want, don't drink if you don't! What part of that is offensive? And why?
Re: Quranic reference about prohibition of Alcohol
I was pretty pissed about the answer of knockout-artist who really deserves a knockout after such a answer...I'm happy to see that GS has members who can give serious answers...thanks again, much appreciated...
Happy Eid to you knockout
Happy Eid to all of you...
Dude what answer????
Don't be so self centric when I comes to religion.
Imagine prophet saying to people"people know you intoxication levels real well, stop before you get there"
Then imagine our mullah interpreting it.
What some people do not understand is islam is been around for 1500 and its going stay for ever.
In such a long time and to such huge audience how do you get your point across???
Some one had to built generic standard for every one to follow.
If a cop in Germny pull you over. Suppose you had few drinks.
Can you convince him that your intoxication limit should be different then others???
You have more tolerance then others. And you should let go????
Dude unlike Christianity Islam had a job to be a code of conduct for every day life. Since 1500 years ago till the end of time, for all people.
So people can put aside their individuality in some matters.
Just like you wont argue a cop when you had few drinks.
Right??????????
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Sunset Eyes please do not be taking advice from Tariq Akhtar, the guy is a hypocrite pretending to be a muslim, if he claims to be a muslim know that his fundamentals are really really messed up. Psyahs advice is sound in this thread.
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Look guys - there is no such thing as drinking without after effects. Whether it is one beer or a whole case, there is an impact.
I like a drink or two and I don't in the least bit feel guilty about it or for that matter any less near god.
But it is incrrect to claim one beer is nothing. The reason you take that one beer is precisely becaise there is an effect and you like it. Why else will you take it?
The problem here is if somehow you believe it is against god. If you believe that (I Don't) and still drink (whether 1 beer or more) then your conscience will nag you to stress.
Oh I see what you mean USresident
Brother Tariq its a phase in you life where you think drinking is not going against allah.
What I would suggest,If I may, keep it to your self. A secret between you and allah.
One day when you feel bad about it(allah show you right path) you can ask for forgiveness.
On the other hand speaking about it publicly can urge other people do it too.
Allah made every one ,you come in contact with, you "riaa". And we will be questioned about our influence on other people(riaa).
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So we now have people like uisresident goiimg around pretending to be the judge of what a muslim should and should not be like, say and do! Funny what frustration drives some people to!.
Knockoout - you're partly right- that drinking is a phase and I will probably stop enjoying it at some point and will then stop drinking. Or if I ever think that it is against god's will I will stop then. But I certainly at thiS point do not believe so at present.
Oh a vast majority of pEople who have actiually accomplished something in this world do like their glass of wine. I do not for a moment believe that god considers them any less because of that.
Re: Quranic reference about prohibition of Alcohol
Oh a vast majority of pEople who have actiually accomplished something in this world do like their glass of wine. I do not for a moment believe that god considers them any less because of that.
Sure it will pass away.
Hard work bring success. God don't break his principle.
I my self have done some wild stuff. And I never did any thing thinking it was wrong.
If I could go back in time , I would go tell my self "knockout you are very smart , but your vision about your self and about the world is not as good as allah's"
