Re: Quranic reference about prohibition of Alcohol
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Oh a vast majority of pEople who have actiually accomplished something in this world do like their glass of wine. I do not for a moment believe that god considers them any less because of that.
Like what? Vast majority doing something doesn't make something right. No matter how you try to put it, drinking alcohol is wrong from an Islamic perspective, even if you don't think there is anything wrong with it.
So we now have people like uisresident goiimg around pretending to be the judge of what a muslim should and should not be like, say and do! Funny what frustration drives some people to!.
I can say the same about you. You're the one who's been saying that we have to ban things like polygamy and cousin marriages even though they're allowed according to the Quran. Aren't you also trying to dictate what a Muslim should be like and say and do? The thing that sets you apart from the rest is that you're saying we should go against the Quran. Sorry, before even thinking about saving Islam, you should at least come back into the fold of Islam, which you are clearly out of by saying that we need to change Quran, nauzubillah.
Re: Quranic reference about prohibition of Alcohol
I can say the same about you. You're the one who's been saying that we have to ban things like polygamy and cousin marriages even though they're allowed according to the Quran. Aren't you also trying to dictate what a Muslim should be like and say and do? The thing that sets you apart from the rest is that you're saying we should go against the Quran. Sorry, before even thinking about saving Islam, you should at least come back into the fold of Islam, which you are clearly out of by saying that we need to change Quran, nauzubillah.
Talaq is allowed too. But also is the "most nasty deed allowed to muslims"(according to haddeh or quran)
There thing which are allowed BUT not preferred. I believe cousin marriage is such a thing.
Sadly our mullah hasn't smarten enough to distinguished between 2.
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Talaq is allowed too. But also is the "most nasty deed allowed to muslims"(according to haddeh or quran)
There thing which are allowed BUT not preferred. I believe cousin marriage is such a thing.
Sadly our mullah hasn't smarten enough to distinguished between 2.
I know talaq is also allowed. I never said that they were recommended or not. But Tariq Akhtar has said that we need to ban them in some of his other posts.
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Which mullah are you referring to?
No mullah yaar I was trying get my point across.
hmmmm I may say avrg. mentality mullah who sees the action and word with out know the particular situations. Don't know the subject but bashing people about it type mullah.
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I have read few of Tarik Akhter's posts, I think guy is pretty reasonable.
The guy maybe reasonable when he is not discussing the fundamentals of Islam, but when it comes to that, he has not idea what he is talking about. All I want from him is to not promote his opinions as Islamic POV because they are far from any thing realistic in Islam.
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I am not pretending to be your judge but its a muslims duty to let other muslims know what to steer clear of and unfortunately in this case it is you. If it were some genuinely debatable issue of academic merit then I can understand differing opinions or different interpretations of scripture but your view points are not based on any Islamic scripture yet you propagate all sorts of commentary related to it. If you were to debate politics with me I may not be so averse to your views but first learn something about Islam and then discuss. Your views are never to discuss Islam but always to come and ridicule muslims and Islam. A muslim does not do that, period. There is no gray area in saying that.
For once answer my question i.e. Do you call yourself a muslim or not? Are you a muslim or not?
Re: Quranic reference about prohibition of Alcohol
For once answer my question i.e. Do you call yourself a muslim or not? Are you a muslim or not?
US dude. YOu shouldn't ask this question.
Tell you what for few years I didn't consider my self muslim. I didn't believe in God.
I got in argument with people many time.
Eventually that phase passed. Alhamdu lillah my "Iemman" is stronger then ever.
Just take it easy. Let people find their own way of perceiving/re-perceiving God.
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US dude. YOu shouldn't ask this question.
Tell you what for few years I didn't consider my self muslim. I didn't believe in God.
I got in argument with people many time.
Eventually that phase passed. Alhamdu lillah my "Iemman" is stronger then ever.
Just take it easy. Let people find their own way of perceiving/re-perceiving God.
Bro, Mashallah! Its nice to know you came around this way. However my point is more subtle than this. He can hold whatever belief he wants, as long as one clarifies what it is. It just makes it more productive when discussing with someone. This forum is home to hindus, christians, atheists and muslims etc. And I can live with those distinctions, as a matter of fact I do. What I don't get is why hide what you believe. All I want to know is what ideology he subscribes to. A person would start discussing with him thinking he is muslim but then when you start reading his views there is no way a person who is muslim can present such views. If he is against muslims, come out an say it. Its the deception I do not like. If he is here to learn more about Islam then stop ridiculing it. What is his purpose in this forum. In any thread that he participates all you see is him trying ridicule muslims and present them backward types. Its about being fair in a discussion. Its about being truthful to what you say. Its about having integrity when presenting yourself.
Re: Quranic reference about prohibition of Alcohol
Wow! Because I say polygamy. should be abolished, that incestual and in-breeding is harmful and should be banned and that. Islam should not be let to be defined as a mere set of permitted do's and don'ts, now you two have the temerity to ask me if I am muslim or not?
You just made my case.
If OBL and jihadi nutcases define their version of islam it is not acceptable, right?
In equal measure the islam you guys are defining is equally unacceptible. Why? Because your version leads people. To live a dual life - with inbuilt contradictions. Because it defines a version that is defiles women, diminishes all the advancements humans made by stagnating them to a set of standards that no longer make sense. And your piety is invalid and worse than put on if you claim that rules of social behavior shouldn't change with change in society. Just plain dumb!
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Tariq.
Its mostly people who interpret islam professionally, shape current day's islamic societies. Sadly they are not very smart.
On other hand very accomplish non-muslims when come across such principles can't help admiring them.
Most shocking discoveries about quran were done by non muslims scientists. The people who done serious social research, I swear, when they talk they sound like they are talking about islam.
I mean there is ton to see. Then there are also reasons to think other wise too. After all its free will.
Re: Quranic reference about prohibition of Alcohol
Wow! Because I say polygamy. should be abolished, that incestual and in-breeding is harmful and should be banned and that. Islam should not be let to be defined as a mere set of permitted do's and don'ts, now you two have the temerity to ask me if I am muslim or not?
You just made my case.
If OBL and jihadi nutcases define their version of islam it is not acceptable, right?
In equal measure the islam you guys are defining is equally unacceptible. Why? Because your version leads people. To live a dual life - with inbuilt contradictions. Because it defines a version that is defiles women, diminishes all the advancements humans made by stagnating them to a set of standards that no longer make sense. And your piety is invalid and worse than put on if you claim that rules of social behavior shouldn't change with change in society. Just plain dumb!
TA you say that the Quran should be changed and cleaned up. That is very clear kuffur. No muslim says that. I rest my case, anyone muslim here knows what saying something like that amounts to.
Re: Quranic reference about prohibition of Alcohol
Wow! Because I say polygamy. should be abolished, that incestual and in-breeding is harmful and should be banned and that. Islam should not be let to be defined as a mere set of permitted do's and don'ts, now you two have the temerity to ask me if I am muslim or not?
You just made my case.
If OBL and jihadi nutcases define their version of islam it is not acceptable, right?
In equal measure the islam you guys are defining is equally unacceptible. Why? Because your version leads people. To live a dual life - with inbuilt contradictions. Because it defines a version that is defiles women, diminishes all the advancements humans made by stagnating them to a set of standards that no longer make sense. And your piety is invalid and worse than put on if you claim that rules of social behavior shouldn't change with change in society. Just plain dumb!
I never asked if you're Muslim or not. From reading your posts I've already been convinced that you're not. Anyhow, I think that polygamy and cousin marriages are better than drinking. At least they're permissible.
The version of Islam that you're defining just isn't Islam plain and simple. It's just a bunch of your own desires.
What built in contradictions are you talking about in the Islam I follow? I haven't seen any. I don't see any advancements that it diminishes.
Anyhow, no Muslim would care about you're saying something is not right, though it has been allowed in the Quran itself. What Allah defines for us as permissible is permissible. What He decides as prohibited for is prohibited. His law supercedes anything that any society thinks is right or wrong. That's why I'd rather practice polygamy or marry a cousin (or maybe practice polygamy and marry a cousin) rather than to drink alcoholic beverages.
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I was pretty pissed
That made me laugh. As an American you use phrases like 'pissed' to mean 'annoyed' or 'angry', but we Brits use the phrase 'pissed off' for that. When we say just 'pissed' we use it to mean 'drunk'! :D
Re: Quranic reference about prohibition of Alcohol
Look guys - there is no such thing as drinking without after effects. Whether it is one beer or a whole case, there is an impact.
I like a drink or two and I don't in the least bit feel guilty about it or for that matter any less near god.
But it is incrrect to claim one beer is nothing. The reason you take that one beer is precisely becaise there is an effect and you like it. Why else will you take it?
The problem here is if somehow you believe it is against god. If you believe that (I Don't) and still drink (whether 1 beer or more) then your conscience will nag you to stress.
Sunset: wth are you offended by what I said earlier?** I said drink if you want, don't drink if you don't!** What part of that is offensive? And why?
Because even though so many people have given their views and opinions on this topic - it seems its so casual for you to drink? Does anyone in your family drink? Do you read namaaz? Dont bother reading it becasue it defeats the purpose!!! So sad..so sad...so sad to see so called muslims involved in these wrongdoings!
