Quran and sunnah is enough for us to be successful

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contains everything and is enough for us to shine again in the modern world. We do not need kafiroon key medicines , research , education , inventions etc. They can shove all that.
How true ?
What is wrong with this picture ?

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No one follows "Quran and Sunnah" per se, what people really follow is the Sharia. And sharias are different based on who the Sharia Imam is.

So your statement should be --

======= Islamic Sharia is enough for us to be successful (How true? What is wrong with this picture?).

If you agree with this minor update to your thread, then we can talk.

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Whatever rocks your boat. I am very compromising person . I am not into throwing punches or tantrums if you or I do not agree with each other.

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fair enough. Since you speicifically mentioned "success in the modern world", then followers of Sharia are all utter failures.

As we can clearly see from across the Middle East that people do honestly follow Sharia. They are all Arabic speaking. Majority of them can read the laws of Sharia better than non-Arabic Pakistanis.

And yet pretty much the whole middle east is a basket case when it comes to the "success in the modern world".

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whats wrong with the picture is thats its painting a world of offensive holy war. Allah ajjawazal is the protector of all communities, and has commanded the believers to have amicable relations with all, with dawa (offer of peace)

because the main form of success in islam is piety, i dont know how successful the ummah would be in worldly matters, if it was ruled purely by sharia. i do however think the basic needs would be well organised, enough to feel contentment

imo

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The Prophet(SAW) said "seek knowledge" and that covers medicine, education, research, invention etc.

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For the betterment of Akhirat, Quran and Sunna and Fiqh is enough. For success in this duniya, you may need to learn worldly knowledge too. Later is not mandatory but nevrthless important.

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well said.

Do note though when you say:

For the betterment of Akhirat, Quran and Sunna and Fiqh is enough.

Most Muslims of today just follow Fiqh and assume that Fiqh as written follows Quran and Sunnah.

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Islam is covered in the science of fiqh
Iman is covered in the sciences of 'aqeedah and kalam
Ihsan is covered in the sciences of tassuwwuf and tariqah

Alternatively one can say that Islam is for the limbs, Iman for the heart and mind, and ihsan for the soul.

Each of these are subject to huqooqAllah and huqooqulibad

The Qur'an and hadith are the references for these three domains and likewise the Qur'an and hadith should be the reference points for any modern science and research.

It's not that we do not need the stuff from the kafiroon ... rather we need to do medicine, education and invention through the regulatory authority of Qur'an and hadith.

We should not create medicine in order to create multi-billion dollar organisations which exploit the masses.

We should temper education so that we encourage the learning of Islam, unsecularise the learning areas to stem from a religious basis and bring back etiquettes, manners, morals into the education arena.

We should invent but caution it with and weigh it out against our responsibility for the environment. We are capable of genetically modifying sheep, does it mean that we should do it for the sake of it?

Essentially we only need Qur'an and Hadith ... the emphasis however is hidden behind the word 'need', which implies, to have a couple of shelves of Arabic books fulfils this criteria but rather it should be argued when that need is truly fulfilled i.e. Qur'an and hadith are fully implemented the way they were meant to be then yes this statement is true.

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Whatever is done for betterment in duniya by following Quran and Sunnah extended to fiqah leads to betterment for Akhirat too. That includes obtaining knowledge of this world.

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For those who want to understand Quran (scripture) and Sunnah/Hadiths (deeds and sayings of the prohet) Versus Shariah/Fiqah the following example may be helpful

Quran tell us to commute.
Sunnah says, use a vehicle to commute.
Shariah is like how to drive a vehicle. Like the manual of an individual vehicle make and model.

Now some people argue their vehicle is better than other, and their way of driving is better.

Still, the vehicle engine, wheels and steering wheels remain essential parts of any vehicle.

Do I sound like a mechanic now? :hehe:

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Yes you do :hehe:
But in a good way.

Even though we can use the commute/vehicle example. But Quran kareem goes way beyond just one facet of our life aka “commuting”.

But I agree that a similar approach could be used for other facets of our lives.

If you allow me!

the three excellent points could be elaborated a little bit (however you may have knowingly chosen a bit of brevity.

#1 Quran tells us to commute AND use the latest “transportation means” to commute.

#2 When people of 1400 years ago saw this in Quran about Quran and latest transportation means, they went to Mohammed pbuh and asked what does that mean?

Mohammad pbuh replied, “O people, use the latest means that you have”.

People said, we still are not sure about this.

So then Mohammad pbuh said, “OK use donkey for your daily commute”. Why because that was the latest means back then.

#3 When Shariah Imams looked at #1 and #2, the fixed the commute as:

----- As per Quran and Sunna, use donkey for your daily commute.

Fast forward to 2100 AD.

And donkey is no longer a suitable vehicle for daily commute. As it has been long replaced by other “latest means”.

But the Hard core followers of Sharia refuse to understand it and they still want people to “blindly and unquestionably” follow Sharia that says:

----- As per Quran and Sunna, use donkey for your daily commute.

And that my friend is the biggest issue with the Sharia.

That just like Christian Sharia, Jewish Sharia, Hindu Sharia , we the Muslims refuse to go back to the #1 source aka Quran (or other holy scriptures)

that clearly says:

#1 Quran tells us to commute AND use the latest “transportation means” to commute.

And it is crystal clear that Allah swt wanted to say “use the latest means”. And we should just stop at that and say “We understand” that we should use plain, train, automobiles for our daily commute.

But we are stuck with Sharia that says use donkeys, use donkeys, use donkeys. use donkeys.

And that’s why Sharia Muslims are dragging Islam and Muslims to the bottom of the hellish pit a la Talibans.

peace!

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^ Peace burqaposhx

Where does Qur'an tell us to use the latest transportation? Where does Muhammad (SAW) tell us that the latest transportation is the donkey?

How would a donkey be suited in the desert compared to a camel? Horses were also used. What about those people who couldn't afford donkeys? How has travelling methods got anything to do with piety?

The premise for research and discovery is only so we can learn more about our relationship with Allah (SWT). That using his 'signs' we can discover Him. All benefits in the research are only side-effects of doing this noble deed. The Qur'an is a book of Guidance not a manual of procedures.

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peace psyah.

Any holy scripture would say to use the latest. This is the only way holy scriptures would remain relevant with the changing times.

Donkey was a metaphor, so yes replace it with camel, horse, or feet if you feel that are more suitable.

Quran kareem does provide specific examples when needed.

The problem is that many aspects of Shariah are used by modern day Muslims to "replace" the context of Quranic ayah.

the reality is that Quran kareem already provides a lot of context but sharia followers tend to ignore it.

There are several examples of that where 21st century sharia followers are being mislead by the lack of proper context that has been provided by Quran but ignored by Sharia.

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Muslims today just do not trust the Word of GOD. They have 'replaced' it with the words of Men (Sharia law & Bukhari's rumors called hadith & Sunnah). Sura 6, verses 112-115 actually explains why people follow Bukhari instead of the Prophet. Those who do not believe in the Hereafter will accept man-made books and NOT obey GOD via HIS words (Quran). It makes perfect sense. If you don't believe in the Hereafter, you don't believe you will be held accountable for you actions on the day of Judgment. Therefore, you will just obey your parents, friends, scholars, cultural norms blindly. Going against the cultural norm usually results in being mocked, ridiculed, and attacked. I know it is easier to 'follow the majority' of people in your social circle, but is it really worth going to hell for it?

So, if you TRULY believe in GOD you will obey GOD's word (Quran) and NOT the words of men because you KNOW you will be held accountable.

These clear consecutive Quranic verses illustrating exactly what I am saying. Sura 6:112-115. I urge you to ask GOD for guidance and permit you to see the truth of the verses and actually READ the verses without other people's bias. GOD willing, you will recognize the truth.* Hadith & Sunna: Fabrications by the Prophet's Enemies* **
[Quran 6:112] We have permitted THE ENEMIES of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, IN ORDER TO DECIEVE. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications. **
* Important Criterion***
[6:113] This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such fabrications, AND ACCEPT THEM, and thus EXPOSE THEIR REAL CONVICTIONS.

Quran: Fully Detailed*
[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.

[6:115] The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

[6:116] If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.
**Just keep in mind that if you are not accepting my opinion, you are accepted the verses of the QUran as that is what I posted above.

Peace

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Peace submitmj

Aahhh ... You use the words of Allah (SWT) out of context again. The second verse in what you have posted clarifies exactly the people who the first verse is meant for.

6:112 talks about the prophet's enemies - we are not enemies of him (SAW) he is dear to us and our prophet.

6:113 clarifies those people (who are enemies of prophet Muhammad (SAW)) are the very ones who do not believe in the hereafter ... Reality check bro we all believe in the hereafter ... especially those people who follow hadith.

Verse 6:114 needs to be understood I'll go in the way you have written the translation ... I'll not vary from that .... We who are supporters of hadith only choose Allah (SWT) as our source of law. We do not choose anyone else. The next part of the text is not mandating us to restrict our search of "the law of God" to the Qur'an. That would be a misinterpretation. Rather it is telling us that Allah (SWT) who revealed to us Qur'an, He is the very source we need to go to for the law.

Verse 6:115 is actually a mistranslation. The word "tammat" is the pluralised feminine form of the word tamm used in this sentence as a verb. The correct translation would be:

The words of your Lord are completely True and Just.

This is because the words truth and justice appear not as predicates but as adjectives for "words of your Lord".

6:116 - is ironic because it is you submitmj who is following the conjecture that you say we should not be following.

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Peace submitmj

Aahhh ... You use the words of Allah (SWT) out of context again. The second verse in what you have posted clarifies exactly the people who the first verse is meant for.

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Whomever collected fabricated hadiths & sunnah (and they are fabricated) and pawned them off as divine revelations are the enemies stated in 6:112. Those who accept them as 'truth' exposes their disbelief in the Hereafter....In case you have forgotten, you are upholding these fabrications as truth next to the Quran. So, the verses ARE NOT out of context. Only those who do not follow the Quran see them as 'out of context' because people like you will never translate a Quranic verse correctly if it is exposes your own hypocrisy. That is why you uphold baseless hadith....so you can abrogate whatever you want to suit your desires.

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6:116 - is ironic because it is you submitmj who is following the conjecture that you say we should not be following.
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Interesting analysis..... I follow the Quran, the word of GOD, and nothing else and you claim that I am following conjecture?! Strange logic indeed.

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submitmj

I'm not interested in your grand statements of "whomever" show me that Imam Bukhari is amongst those people who:

a) Do not believe in the hereafter
b) Collected fabricated hadith
c) Enemy of Muhammad (SAW)

Show me this or keep your silence ... everything else you say is indeed the following of your own biases and not following the message in the Qur'an.

Your statement I've highlighted in 'red' above is something like I once heard in a story called "The Emperors New Clothes" ... "Those who are stupid cannot see the clothes"

I'm not gonna fall for your tricks mate ... stop being a coy taylor.