Quran and Ahlul-Bayt (as)

Quran and Ahlul-Bayt

Based on a parallel (Mutawatir) tradition upon whose authenticity all Muslims agree, the Messenger of Allah (AS) informed his followers in several occasions that he would leave them two precious/weighty things and that if Muslims adhere to both of them, they will never go astray after him. They are the Book of Allah (Quran) and the Members of the House of the Prophet (Ahlul-Bayt), peace be upon them all.

It is narrated in Sahih Muslim as well as many other sources that:Someday (after his last pilgrimage) the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) stood to give us a speech beside a pond which is known as Khum (Ghadir Khum) which is located between Mecca and Medina. Then he praised Allah and reminded Him, and then said: “O’ people! Behold! It seems the time approached when I shall be called away (by Allah) and I shall answer that call. Behold! I am leaving for you two precious things. First of them is the book of Allah in which there is light and guidance… The other one is my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. (three times).”

Sunni Reference:

  • Sahih Muslim, Chapter of the virtues of the companions, section of the virtues of Ali, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, Arabic version, v4, p1873, Tradition #36.
  • And many others such as Sahih al-Tirmidhi, Musnad Ahmad (see below).

For the English version of Sahih Muslim, see Chapter CMXCVI, v4, p1286, Tradition #5920

As we can see in the above tradition in Sahih Muslim, not only Ahlul-Bayt has been put beside the Quran, but also it has been mentioned three times by the Prophet (PBUH&HF).

Despite the fact that the author of Sahih Muslim and many other Sunni traditionists have recorded the above tradition in their authentic books, it is regrettable that the majority of Sunnis are unaware of its existence at the best, or deny it at the worst. Their counter argument is that the most reliable tradition in this regard is the one recorded by al-Hakim in his al-Mustadrak, on the authority of Abu Huraira, attributing to the Messenger of Allah saying: “I leave amongst you two things that if you follow or act upon, you will not go astray after me: The Book of God and my Sunnah (traditions).”

There is no doubt that ALL Muslims are required to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH&HF). However, the question remains that which Sunnah is genuine and which one is invented later and was falsely attributed to the Prophet.

On tracing the source of this report of Abu Huraira which states “Quran and Sunnah,” we found out that it has NOT been recorded in any of the six authentic Sunni collections of the traditions (Sihah Sittah). Not only that, but also al-Bukhari, al-Nisa’i, and al-Dhahabi and many others rated this report (Quran and Sunnah) as weak because of its weak Isnad. It should be noted that although the book of al-Hakim is an important Sunni collection of traditions, yet it is ranked inferior to the six major Sunni books. This is while Sahih Muslim is in the second rank among the six Sunni collections of traditions.

al-Tirmidhi reported that the “Quran and Ahlul-Bayt” version of the tradition is traced to 30+ companions. Ibn Hajar al-Haythami reported that he knows of 20+ companions witnessed that also. This is while the “Quran and Sunnah” version reported by al-Hakim has only one source! Thus we must conclude that the “Quran and Ahlul-Bayt” version is much more reliable. Moreover al-Hakim has also mentioned the “Quran and Ahlul-Bayt” version in his book (al-Mustadrak) through several chain of authorities and confirmed that the “Quran and Ahlul-Bayt” version of the tradition is authentic based on the criteria of al-Bukhari and Muslim.

Moreover, the word “Sunnah” by itself does not serve the purpose of knowledge. All Muslims irrespective to their persuasions claim that they follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH&HF). The differences among Muslims come from the transmitted Prophetic traditions through different avenues. Such traditions serve as explanatory means of the Holy Quran upon whose authenticity all Muslims agree. Thus divergence in the transmitted traditions, which in turn has led to differing interpretation of Quran and the prophetic Sunnah, has created numerous versions of Sunnah. All Muslims, as a result, splintered into different schools, groups, offshoots, which is believed to add up to seventy three groups. All of them are obeying their own version of Sunnah which they claim to be the true one. Which of these groups follow the true Sunnah of the Prophet? Which one (out of 73 groups) will be the prosperous one, and will survive? Other than the tradition of Sahih Muslim mentioned above, the following authentic traditions provide a unique detailed answer for this question:The messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: “I am leaving for you two precious and weighty Symbols that if you adhere to BOTH of them you shall not go astray after me. They are, the Book of Allah, and my progeny, that is my Ahlul-Bayt. The Merciful has informed me that These two shall not separate from each other till they come to me by the Pool (of Paradise).”

Sunni references:

  1. Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, pp 662-663,328, report of 30+ companions, with reference to several chains of transmitters.
  2. al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, Chapter of "Understanding (the virtues) of Companions, v3, pp 109,110,148,533 who wrote this tradition is authentic (Sahih) based on the criteria of the two Shaikhs (al-Bukhari and Muslim).
  3. Sunan, by Daarami, v2, p432
  4. Musnad, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v3, pp 14,17,26,59, v4, pp 366,370-372, v5, pp 182,189,350,366,419
  5. Fadha’il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p585, Tradition #990
  6. al-Khasa’is, by al-Nisa’i, pp 21,30
  7. al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p230
  8. al-Kabir, by al-Tabarani, v3, pp 62-63,137
  9. Kanz al-Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Chapter al-Iti’sam bi Habl Allah, v1, p44.
  10. Tafsir Ibn Kathir (complete version), v4, p113, under commentary of verse 42:23 of Quran (four traditions)
  11. al-Tabaqat al-Kubra, by Ibn Sa’d, v2, p194, Pub. by Dar Isadder, Lebanon.
  12. al-Jami’ al-Saghir, by al-Suyuti, v1, p353, and also in v2
  13. Majma’ al-Zawa’id, al-Haythami, v9, p163
  14. al-Fateh al-Kabir, al-Binhani, v1, p451
  15. Usdul Ghabah fi Ma’rifat al-Sahaba, Ibn al-Athir, v2, p12
  16. Jami’ al-Usul, Ibn al-Athir, v1, p187
  17. History of Ibn Asakir, v5, p436
  18. al-Taj al-Jami’ Lil Usul, v3, p308
  19. al-Durr al-Manthoor, al-Hafidh al-Suyuti, v2, p60
  20. Yanabi al-Mawaddah, al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, pp 38,183
  21. Abaqat al-Anwar, v1, p16

… and many more …

Of course, any Muslim should follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH&HF), and as such, we, the Followers of Ahlul-Bayt, submit to the genuine (practice) Sunnah of the Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH&HF) and consider it to be the only path of salvation. But the above tradition gives evidence to the fact that any so-called Sunnah (practice) which contradicts Ahlul-Bayt is NOT a genuine Sunnah and has been innovated later on by some pay-rolled individuals in support the tyrants. That’s why the Prophet had emphasized so much on Ahlul-Bayt in loving them and following them since they carry his genuine Sunnah. And this is the basis of the Shia School of Thought (the School of Ahlul-Bayt). The Ahlul-Bayt of the Prophet who are raised in his house know more than anybody else about the Sunnah of the Prophet and what it entails, for as the proverb goes: “The people of Mecca know its paths better than anyone else.”

For the sake of argument, if we accept that the two versions of the tradition (“Quran and Ahlul-Bayt” vs. “Quran and Sunnah”) are both authentic, then one must submit to the interpretation that the word “my Sunnah” given by al-Hakim means the Sunnah which is derived through Ahlul- Bayt and not any other source, as it is evident from the Ahlul-Bayt version given by both Mustadrak al-Hakim and Sahih Muslim. Now let us take a look at the following tradition:Narrated Umm Salama:

The Messenger of Allah said: “Ali is with Quran, and Quran is with Ali. They shall not separate from each other till they both return to me by the Pool (of Paradise).”

Sunni references:

  • al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p124 on the authority of Umm Salama
  • al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 9, section 2, pp 191,194
  • al-Awsat, by al-Tabarani; also in al-Saghir
  • Tarikh al-Khulafaa, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, p173

The above tradition gives evidence to the fact that Imam Ali and Quran are non-separable. If we accept the “Quran and Sunnah” version to be authentic, then one can conclude that the one who carries the Sunnah of Prophet is Imam Ali since he is the one who has been put beside Quran.

Interesting to see, al-Hakim has many other traditions about necessity of following Ahlul-Bayt, among which is the following tradition. This tradition is also narrated by many other Sunni scholars and is known as the “Tradition of the Ship” in which the Prophet (PBUH&HF) stated:“Behold! My Ahlul-Bayt are like the Ark of Noah. Whoever embarked in it was SAVED, and whoever turned away from it was PERISHED.”

Sunni references:

  1. al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v2, p343, v3, pp 150-151 on the authority of Abu Dhar. al-Hakim said this tradition is authentic (Sahih).
  2. Fadha’il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p786
  3. Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, under the commentary of verse 42:23, Part 27, p167
  4. al-Bazzar, on the authority of Ibn Abbas and Ibn Zubair with the wording “drowned” instead of “perished”.
  5. al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p234 under Verse 8:33. Also in section 2, p282. He said this Hadith has been transmitted via numerous authorities.
  6. Tarikh al-Khulafaa and Jami’ al-Saghir, by al-Suyuti
  7. al-Kabir, by al-Tabarani, v3, pp 37,38
  8. al-Saghir, by al-Tabarani, v2, p22
  9. Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu’aym, v4, p306
  10. al-Kuna wal Asmaa, by al-Dulabi, v1, p76
  11. Yanabi al-Mawaddah, by al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, pp 30,370
  12. Is’af al-Raghibeen, by al-Saban

The above tradition gives evidence to the fact that those who adopt the school of Ahlul-Bayt and follow them, shall be saved from the punishment of Hell, while those who run away from them shall meet with the fate of the one who tried to save his life by climbing up the mountain, with the only difference that whereas he (Noah’s renegade son) was drowned in water, but these people will be drowned the fire of Hell. The following tradition also confirms it:The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said about Ahlul-Bayt:

“Do not be ahead of them for you will perish, do not turn away from them for you will perish, and do not try to teach them since they know more than you do!”

Sunni references:

  1. al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Suyuti, v2, p60
  2. al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p230, quoted from al-Tabarani, also in section 2, p342
  3. Usdul Ghabah, by Ibn al-Athir, v3, p137
  4. Yanabi’ al-Mawaddah, by al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, p41, and P335
  5. Kanz al-Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v1, p168
  6. Majma’ al-Zawa’id, by al-Haythami, v9, p163
  7. Aqabat al-Anwar, v1, p184
  8. A’alam al-Wara, pp 132-133
  9. Tadhkirat al-Khawas al-Ummah, Sibt Ibn al-Jawzi al-Hanafi, pp 28-33
  10. al-Sirah al-Halabiyyah, by Noor al-Din al-Halabi, v3, p273

Here is another one:The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: “My Ahlul-Bayt are like the Gate of Repentance of the Children of Israel; whoever entered therein was forgiven.”

Sunni References: Majma’ al-Zawa’id, by al-Haythami, v9, p168

  • al-Awsat, by al-Tabarani, Tradition #18
  • Arba’in, by al-Nabahani, p216
  • al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, pp 230,234
  • Another fairly similar tradition was recorded by al-Darqunti as well as Ibn Hajar in his al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqah, Ch. 9, section 2, p193 where the Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: “Ali is the Gate of Repentance, whoever entered therein was a believer and whoever went out was an unbeliever.”

The above tradition was in connection with verses 2:58 and 7:161 of Quran which describe the Gate of Repentance of Bani Israel. Those of companions of Moses who did not enter the Gate of the Repentance were lost in the desert for forty years, while those who did not enter the ark of Noah were drowned. Ibn Hajar concludes that:“The analogy of the Ark of Noah signifies that those who love and honor the Ahlul-Bayt and derive from their guidance will be rescued from the darkness of opposition, and those who will turn against them will be drowned in the sea of ingratitude and will perish in the desert of insubordination and rebellion.”

Sunni reference: al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, p91

Have we ever asked ourselves why the Prophet put so much emphasis on Ahlul- Bayt? Was is just because they were members of his family, or was it because they carried his true teachings (Sunnah) and they were the most knowledgeable individuals among his community after him?

Different versions of the Tradition of Two Weighty Things (al-Thaqalain) which prove conclusively that it is compulsory to follow the Quran and the Ahlul-Bayt, are not ordinary traditions. They are repeated many times and are related on the authority of more than thirty of the companions of the Holy Prophet through various sources. The Holy Prophet repeated these words over and over again (and not merely in one isolated instance but on several occasions) publicly to show that it is compulsory to follow and obey the Ahlul-Bayt. He made the announcement during the Farewell Pilgrimage, on the day of Arafat, on the day of Ghadir Khum, on the return from Ta’if, also in Medina from the pulpit, and in his deathbed when the room was packed with his disciples, he said:“O folk! I am soon going to depart from here, and although I have already told you, I repeat once more that I am leaving with you two things, namely, the Book of Allah and my descendants, that is, my Ahlul-Bayt.” Then he lifted Ali by the hand and said: “Behold! this Ali is with the Quran and the Quran is with him. These two shall never separate from each other until they come to me at the Pool of Kawthar.”

Sunni reference: al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 9, section 2

Ibn Hajar al-Haythami wrote:“The Traditions of Adherence has been handed down through a large number of sources and more than twenty of the disciples have related it.”

He further wrote:“Here a doubt arises, and it is that while the Tradition has come down through various sources, some say that the words were spoken during the last pilgrimage, others that they were spoken at Medina when he lay on his deathbed and the room was packed with his disciples, yet another saying that he spoke these words at Ghadir Khum, or in another Hadith, on the return from Ta’if. But there is NO inconsistency in these, since having regards to the importance and greatness of the Quran and the pure Ahlul-Bayt, and with a view of emphasizing the point before the people, the Holy Prophet might have repeated these words on all these occasions so that any one who had not heard them before might hear them now.”

Sunni reference: al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p230 Concluding the above traditions, the Quran and Ahlul-Bayt are the only two precious things that the Prophet left for Muslims, and stated that if Muslims follow BOTH of them, they will not go astray after him, and they will be led to Paradise, and that those who forsake Ahlul-Bayt will not survive. The above traditions have been designed by Prophet (PBUH&HF) to answer which “Sunnah” is genuine and which group caries the true “Sunnah” of the Prophet. It is aimed at not leaving Muslims at loss as to which way to go after the departure of the Prophet (PBUH&HF). On the other hand, if we use the word “Sunnah” alone, it does not give us any specific answer for this question since all the groups among the Muslim nation follow their own version of Sunnah as well as their own interpretation of the Quran and Sunnah. Thus the prophetic instructions were clear in urging Muslims to follow the interpretation of Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet transmitted through the channel of Ahlul-Bayt whose sinlessness, purity, and righteousness is confirmed by the Holy Quran (the last sentence of verse 33:33).

Re: Quran and Ahlul-Bayt (as)

since u mention QURAN and AHL-ul-BAYT, i wish to repeat my post from an earlier thread....

Quran mentions the word AHL-ul-BAIT twice....
from the context where it is used, please tell us who u think it refers to....

ur last paragraph of that long cut/paste mentions, THE LAST SENTENCE OF VERSE 33:33....
who does that whole verse refer to????
does it make sense that half of the verse (and many verses before it) refers to some other group of people and then this last part (its not even right to call it a sentence, but its rather a part of the verse) jumps on to some other people????

plz comment....

and i dont wish to read 100 copy/paste lines, a few written by ur own self wud suffice....

P.S: the purpose of my post is just to understand how u have limited the use of ahl-ul-bayt to only a certain people....

Re: Quran and Ahlul-Bayt (as)

the standard answer to that is armughal, that if you read the arabic text, then there is a switch from where the wives are being addressed, to this other group whom we considered purified, and that is denoted by a change in pronouns from feminine to masculine. thereby we cannot assume that ahl e bayt here refers to the wives, because the pronouns used in the purification ayat is masculine. the use of the masculine pronoun doesnt mean the whole group is masculine, but that atleast one is, which cannot happen if we’re talking about wives.

how you identify those people that were addressed in the second part is through ahadith. this is in sahih muslim:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/031.smt.html#031.5955

Re: Quran and Ahlul-Bayt (as)

thats what i was going to write..the first part of the ayat is about the wives (feminine)..second part is masculine so we know it is not talking about the wives anymore

Re: Quran and Ahlul-Bayt (as)

zer01

your intial post is too long..you gotta make them short so ppl can read them..i know most of it is the references but still gotta make it short

there is another beautiful ayat about the Holy Family (a)

say (0' Muhammad unto mankind): I do not ask of you any reward for it (preaching the message), but love for my near relatives Ahlul-Bait'; and whoever earns good, we give him more of good therein; Holy Our'an 42:23

ravage already posted the hadith from sahih muslim so we know who is included in Ahlul-bait

Re: Quran and Ahlul-Bayt (as)

in various other hadith we have also been asked to follow/adhere to:-

  • the Prophet's (saw) sunnah (al Muwatta, Ahmed, Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah, al Hakim)
  • the rightly guided khalifahs after him (Ahmed, Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah)
  • his companions (al Tirmidhi, al Hakim)
  • the jama'ah (Abu Dawud, al Darimi)
  • the large majority (Ibn Majah)

… so "his family" (which includes his wives despite the shi-ites venomous hatred of them!) is one of many guideposts... and where conflict/contradictions arise it is common sense that any and every guidepost is subservient to the Qur'an and the Prophet's own words and actions...

Re: Quran and Ahlul-Bayt (as)

shias follow the sunnah of Prophet (pbuh&up)
shias do respect the noble companions like Bilal Habashi, Salman Farsi, Abu Dhar, Hazrat Hamza, Maysam Ath Thammar
shias do respect the best wife Ume Khadija..we also respect Ume Salma

now can we get back to the topic please

Re: Quran and Ahlul-Bayt (as)

^ despising most of his companions and wives whilst claiming to respect a few is hardly an enviable position to be in... but that's your problem

the "topic" is that the Prophet's family (all his blessed wives included) are as bound by the Qur'an and Sunnah as everybody else is...

Re: Quran and Ahlul-Bayt (as)

In arabic masculine plurality includes both the male and female. The switch from feminine plurality to masculine is to include Prophet Muhammad (saw), Hazrat Ali (ra), Hazrat Hassan and Hazrat Hussein (ra).

Re: Quran and Ahlul-Bayt (as)

O, o, kakay mundiyo! kio pa’ay larday o. Aao chagrra mukaiy’ee :slight_smile:

Though brother revage already posted a reference (mamnoon o mashkoor bhai sahib!) Lets see, what the Sahiheen “The Sihah Sitah” say about the Ahle-Bait and who they are:

Yazid b. Hayyan reported: We went to him (Zaid b. Arqam) and said to him. You have found goodness (for you had the honour) to live in the company of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and offered prayer behind him, and the rest of the hadith is the same but with this variation of wording that lie said: Behold, for I am leaving amongst you two weighty things, one of which is the Book of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, and that is the rope of Allah. He who holds it fast would be on right guidance and he who abandons it would be in error, and in this (hadith) these words are also found: We said: Who are amongst the members of the household? Aren’t the wives (of the Holy Prophet) included amongst the members of his house hold? Thereupon he said: No, by Allah, a woman lives with a man (as his wife) for a certain period; he then divorces her and she goes back to her parents and to her people; the members of his household include his ownself and his kith and kin (who are related to him by blood) and for him the acceptance of Zakat is prohibited.

Sahih Al Muslim, Book Number 31, Hadith Number 5923.

Another version of the “Tradition of Cloak” is written in Sahih al-Tirmidhi, which is narrated in the authority of Umar Ibn Abi Salama, the son of Umm Salama (another wife of Prophet), which is as follows:

The verse “Verily Allah intends to … (33:33)” was revealed to the Prophet (saww) in the house of Umm Salama. Upon that, the Prophet gathered Fatimah, al-Hasan, and al-Husain, and covered them with a cloak, and he also covered Ali who was behind him. Then the Prophet said: “O’ Allah! These are the Members of my House (Ahlul-Bayt). Keep them away from every impurity and purify them with a perfect purification.” Umm Salama (the wife of Prophet) asked: “Am I also included among them O Apostle of Allah?” the Prophet replied: “You remain in your position and you are toward a good ending.”

Sunni reference: Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, pp 351,663

If Umm Salama (RA) was among Ahlul-Bayt, why didn’t the Prophet answer her positively? Why didn’t he enter her into the cloak? Why did the Prophet tell her that she remains in her own position? If the Prophet (PBUH&HF) would consider Umm Salama among Ahlul-Bayt, he would surely have entered her to the cloak and would have prayed for her perfect purity as well. But he (saww) himself excluded his wives from Ahlul-Bayt.

Moreover if you analyse the ayah 33:33. You would note that the word “Rijs” in the verse (33:33) has got the article “al-” at its beginning which makes the word universal. Thus “al-Rijs” means “EVERY KIND of impurity”. Also at the end of the verse, Allah states “and purify you a PERFECT purification.” The word “perfect” comes from the emphasis of “Tat’hiran”. This is the only place in Quran that Allah uses the emphasis of “PERFECT purification”.
According to the above verse, Allah expresses his intention to keep Ahlul-Bayt pure and flawless/sinless, and what Allah intends it will certainly take place as Quran itself testifies:
Our word for a thing when We intend it, is only that We say to it, Be, and it is.(16:40).

Just for an instance if we suppose that wives are included in Ahle-Bait, then they must be pure of every sin but we see in Quran that in another occasion Allah has not only warned the wives of the propher but also threatened them:

[66:4] If you both turn to Allah, then indeed your hearts are already inclined (to this); and if you back up each other against him, then surely Allah it is Who is his Guardian, and Jibreel and -the believers that do good, and the angels after that are the aiders.
[66:5] Maybe, his Lord, if he divorce you, will give him in your place wives better than you, submissive, faithful, obedient, penitent, adorers, fasters, widows and virgins.
[66:6] O you who believe! save yourselves and your families from a fire whose fuel is men and stones; over it are angels stern and strong, they do not disobey Allah in what He commands them, and do as they are commanded.

Who were they both? would be off topic but it is for sure as quran tells us(see above) that they were not obedient to Prophet. And in Quran Allah has ordered the believers on several occasion to obay Allah and his Rasul (saww). If the wives were sinless and ma’sum (acording to ayah 33:33 and in case if they were included in Ahl-Bait) then why would Allah warn them for there wrong doings?

armughal
In verse 73 of Hud Sara is addressed as Ahli Bayt, not as the wife of Ibrahim but as the mother of prophet Is-haq, because the state of being a wife of a prophet gives no privilege to a woman as stated above and clearly indicated by the Holy Prophet himself, and decisively proved by the condemnation of the wives of Nuh and Lut.

Re: Quran and Ahlul-Bayt (as)

^

If you were to scroll up to hadith no 5920 in the same link that you have provided, we have the some hadith narrated by the same person (Yazid b. Hayyan) and is more detailed.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/031.smt.html#031.5920

*Yazid b. Hayyan reported, I went along with Husain b. Sabra and 'Umar b. Muslim to Zaid b. Arqam and, as we sat by his side, Husain said to him: Zaid. you have been able to acquire a great virtue that you saw Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) listened to his talk, fought by his side in (different) battles, offered prayer behind me. Zaid, you have in fact earned a great virtue. Zaid, narrate to us what you heard from Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him). He said: I have grown old and have almost spent my age and I have forgotten some of the things which I remembered in connection with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), so accept whatever I narrate to you, and which I do not narrate do not compel me to do that.

He then said: One day Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up to deliver sermon at a watering place known as Khumm situated between Mecca and Medina. He praised Allah, extolled Him and delivered the sermon and. exhorted (us) and said: Now to our purpose. O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah’s call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family. He (Husain) said to Zaid: **Who are the members of his household? Aren’t his wives the members of his family?

Thereupon he said: His wives are the members of his family ** (but here) the members of his family are those for whom acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. And he said: Who are they? Thereupon he said: 'Ali and the offspring of 'Ali, 'Aqil and the offspring of 'Aqil and the offspring of Ja’far and the offspring of 'Abbas. Husain said: These are those for whom the acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. Zaid said: Yes.*

Sahih Muslim - Book 031, Number 5920:

Note the words that lighted in the above hadith.

Zaid b. Arqam was asked: “Who are the members of his household? Aren’t his wives the members of his family?”

Zaid b. Arqam’s reply to the above was: “**His wives are the members of his family ** …..”

Re: Quran and Ahlul-Bayt (as)

“If Umm Salama (RA) was among Ahlul-Bayt, why didn’t the Prophet answer her positively?”

And neither did the Prophet (saw) answered her in negative.

“Why didn’t he enter her into the cloak?”

If he had, then you would have said that she is acceptable but not the rest of the wives.

If the only criteria to be form Ahlul Bayt is to be under the Cloak of the Prophet (saw); How come you take rest of your nine imams (raa) from Hazrat Zainul Abidin to the Last one (may Allah be pleased with them all) from Ahlul Bayt?

They were not under the cloak yet you consider them to be from Ahlul Bayt.

“Why did the Prophet tell her that she remains in her own position?”

In your bias, you see that the Prophet (saw) has excluded her ( Hazrat Umm Salama) (ra) from the Ahlul-Bayt.

In my bias, I see that the Prophet (saw) is reassuring her (Hazrat Umm Salama (ra)) of her status as the member of Ahlul-Bayt (may Allah (swt) be pleased with them all) by saying; “You remain in your position and you are toward a good ending”.

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yar ibn sadique, you're leaving the whole sentence out. ofcourse wives are family, they are ummahaatul momineen, but here, in this discussion pertaining to the hadith, and this ayat, this sahih hadith explicitly, in no uncertain terms, excludes them from the purified ahle bayt.

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Thereupon he said: His wives are the members of his family (but here) the members of his family are those for whom acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. And he said: Who are they? Thereupon he said: 'Ali and the offspring of 'Ali, 'Aqil and the offspring of 'Aqil and the offspring of Ja'far and the offspring of 'Abbas. Husain said: These are those for whom the acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. Zaid said: Yes.

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why the selective colour coding my friend :)

ps: yes i owe u a mail.. i just cant think well.

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sadique bhai..you missed the point again

He (pbuh&up) did not leave behind His wives to follow..instead its Ali (a.s.) and Offspring (a.s.) of Ali (a.s.) ..why is it so hard for you guys to understand it? is it the 'zidd' ?

lets say i am married and i have 4 wives..they are my wives so ofcourse they are part of my family..but doesnt mean i have to like them all??? anyways in this case Prophet (pbuh&up) clearly stated who he is leaving behind..ur own hadith book is pointing it out too but i dont know whats up with this 'zidd'

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sadique bro..read the sahih hadith again..He said Ahlul Bait is Offspring of Ali (a.s.)..dont make it too hard..Imam Zainul Abdeen (a.s.) is the grandson of Imam Ali (a.s.)

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ravage my friend – :flower2: If we were to read from ayah 33:32 right up to 33:34 it is being addressed to the wives (raa) of the Prophet (saw).

*O Consorts of the Prophet! Ye are not like any of the (other) women: if ye do fear (Allah), be not too complacent of speech, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire: but speak ye a speech (that is) just. 33:32

And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless. 33:33

And recite what is rehearsed to you in your homes, of the Signs of Allah and His Wisdom: for Allah understands the finest mysteries and is well-acquainted (with them). 33:34*

Shias always exclude the wives (raa) of the Prophet (saw) just because just because part of ayah 33:33 changes from feminine plural to masculine plural.

In Arabic when addressing a group of people which is inclusive of both genders the masculine plural is used, I think the same in Urdu.

We, Sunnis believe that the need to use the masculine plural is to include the male members of Ahlul Bayt.

Now you have asked for it :smiley: - read the following links; they give the Sunni stance on the two topics

Who are Ahl Al-Bayt? - http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/ahlulbait.htm

Hadith of Kisa’ - http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/kisaa.htm

Why the colour coding? Just practicing to make my post look colourful :slight_smile: and I am waiting for the pm - take your time.

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Brother Sheraz, it is not because of stubbornness :slight_smile: , you should know that Sunnis have no problem with Ahlul Bayt (raa) even in the narrow Shia version.

We respect them all and take them as our imams and guides worthy of respect and examples to be followed. Our hadith books are full of virtues of Ahlul Bayt (raa).

Your four wives will be taken as part and parcel of your family even if you did not like some of them unless of course you divorce them.

You too, should read the links that I gave to brother ravage.

Yes, you are right offspring of Hazat Ali (ra) are of Ahlul Bayt (raa). Shias use this hadith to prove infallibility of all their Imams and I was hinting to this and did jump the gun. :blush:

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yes i would give them divorce if i didnt like them...who am i? ek adna sa insaan..but here we are talking about the best Prophet (pbuh&up) :)
Subhan Allah

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now it seems like u know the history...you know why shias were not happy with all of the wives..here you can see Prophet (pbuh&up) telling muslims to follow not only Ali (a.s.) but Offspring (a.s.) of Ali (a.s.)..people knew about this hadith yet they still fought wars against this great Imam (a.s.)

you read namaz..namaz is not namaz without surah al fatihaa and it talks about TWO paths

[Shakir 1:7] The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.

we choose the path of Holy Prophet (pbuh&up) and His Ahlul Bait (a.s.) (The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors)

either you can be with Them or the people who fought against Them

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Rather al Dhahabi confirmed the weakness of al Hakim’s chain because of Mufadhal bin Salih who is in fact “rejected in hadith” according to al Bukhari.

As for some of your other attempted references for this report: the various chains recorded by al Tabarani rely on Abdullah ibn Dahir and al Hasan ibn Abi Ja’far both of whom are “abandoned”, or on Abdullah ibn Abd al Qudus who is adjudged weak by numerous hadith scholars, or the chains contain groups of unknown reporters as stated by al Haythami in his Majma al Zawa’id (14,981); al Bazzar’s report from Ibn Zubair contains Ibn Lahiyya, a well-known weak narrator; a similar report from Anas ibn Malik contains Aban ibn Abi Ayash who is accused of fabricating hadith. I doubt whether the other references are independent of these.

Yes, but with a weak chain as al Tirmidhi himself indicates, “This hadith is gharib by this way…”, since it contains Ata ibn Abi Rabah who although usually reliable is well known for narrating by omitting his immediate authority (irsal) and whose hadith reporting is also said to have faded in later life. The question and answer exchanged between the Prophet (saw) and Umm Salama (r) is recorded in various ways so you might want to check the other routes of transmission and wordings as well.

See the hadith in al Tabarani’s Mu’jam al Kabir where the Prophet (saw) variously answers Umm Salama’s question with, “If Allah wills” and also, “And you are [included] with us.”

Meaning that a person’s wives are part of his family given what you want us to understand from the preceding two verses..

It is the height of shi-ite hypocrisy that they boast about a hadith being reported by “30+ companions” yet likely curse and spit on the names of those same companions when everyone’s back is turned… pretty pathetic really…

and Sheraz CT, please don’t forget all the other paths:

  • the Prophet’s (saw) sunnah (al Muwatta, Ahmed, Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah, al Hakim)
  • the rightly guided khalifahs after him (Ahmed, Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah)
  • his companions (al Tirmidhi, al Hakim)
  • the jama’ah (Abu Dawud, al Darimi)
  • the large majority (Ibn Majah)