Quick to quote from Bukhari and Muslim?

(even sometimes I’m one of them)

A very good article by Shaykh Nuh Ha Meem Keller.
Keller was born in 1954 in the Northwestern United States of America and grew up in the small town of Odessa, Washington in eastern Washington state. He was educated in philosophy and Arabic at the University of Chicago and University of California at Los Angeles. He converted to Islam in 1977 at al-Azhar in Cairo,citation needed] and later studied the Islamic sciences of hadith (Prophetic traditions), Shafi’i and Hanafi schools of Islamic jurisprudence, legal methodology (usul al-fiqh), and tenets of faith (`aqidah) in Syria and Jordan, where he has lived since 1980.citation needed]
He was authorised as a sheikh in the Shadhili Tariqa by the late Abd al-Rahman al-Shaghouri al-Shadhili in Damascus. He has students throughout the world, and has annual retreats (suhbas) with his students where he teaches tasawwuf in Canada, USA, UK, Turkey, Australia, Egypt, and Pakistan

Any Muslim can benefit from reading hadiths from al-Bukhari and Muslim, whether on his own or with others. As for studying hadith, Sheikh Shuayb al-Arnaut, with whom my wife and I are currently reading Imam al-Suyuti’s Tadrib al-rawi [The training of the hadith narrator], emphasizes that the science of hadith deals with a vast and complex literature, a tremendous sea of information that requires a pilot to help one navigate, without which one is bound to run up on the rocks. In this context, Sheikh Shuayb once told us, “Whoever doesn’t have a sheikh, the Devil is his sheikh, in any Islamic discipline.”

In other words, there are benefits the ordinary Muslim can expect from personally reading hadith, and benefits that he cannot, unless he is both trained and uses other literature, particularly the classical commentaries that explain the hadiths meanings and their relation to Islam as a whole.

The benefits one can derive from reading al-Bukhari and Muslim are many: general knowledge of such fundamentals as the belief in Allah, the messengerhood of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), the Last Day and so on; as well as the general moral prescriptions of Islam to do good, avoid evil, perform the prayer, fast Ramadan, and so forth. The hadith collections also contain many other interesting points, such as the great rewards for acts of worship like the midmorning prayer (duha), the night vigil prayer (tahajjud), fasting on Mondays and Thursdays, giving voluntary charity, and So on. Anyone who reads these and puts them into practice in his life has an enormous return for reading hadith, even more so if he aims at perfecting himself by attaining the noble character traits of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) mentioned in hadith. Whoever learns and follows the prophetic example in these matters has triumphed in this world and the next.

What is not to be hoped for in reading hadith (without personal instruction from a sheikh for some time) is two things: to become an alim or Islamic scholar, and to deduce fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence) from the hadiths on particulars of sharia practice.

Without a guiding hand, the untrained reader will misunderstand many of the hadiths he reads, and these mistakes, if assimilated and left uncorrected, may pile up until he can never find his way out of them, let alone become a scholar. Such a person is particularly easy prey for modern sectarian movements of our times appearing in a neo-orthodox guise, well financed and published, quoting Quran and hadiths to the uninformed to make a case for the basic contention of all deviant sects since the beginning of Islam; namely, that only they are the true Muslims. Such movements may adduce, for example, the well-authenticated (hasan) hadith related from Aisha (Allah be well pleased with her) by al-Hakim al-Tirmidhi that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, Shirk (polytheism) is more hidden in my Umma than the creeping of ants across a great smooth stone on a black night . . . (Nawadir al-usul fi marifa ahadith al-Rasul. Istanbul 1294/1877. Reprint. Beirut: Dar Sadir, n.d., 399).

This hadith has been used by sects from the times of the historical Wahhabi movement down to the present to convince common people that the majority of Muslims may not actually be Muslims at all, but rather mushrikin or polytheists, and that those who do not subscribe to the views of their sheikhs may be beyond the pale of Islam.

In reply, traditional scholars point out that the words fi Ummati, “in my Umma” in the hadith plainly indicate that what is meant here is the lesser shirk of certain sins that, though serious, do not entail outright unbelief. For the word shirk or polytheism has two meanings. The first is the greater polytheism of worshipping others with Allah, of which Allah says in surat al-Nisa, “Truly, Allah does not forgive that any should be associated with Him [in worship], but forgives what is other than that to whomever He wills” (Quran 4:48), and this is the shirk of unbelief. The second is the lesser polytheism of sins that entail shortcomings in one’s tawhid or knowledge of the divine unity, but do not entail leaving Islam. Examples include affection towards someone for the sake of something that is wrongdoing (called shirk because one hopes to benefit from what Allah has placed no benefit in), or disliking someone because of something that is right (called shirk because one apprehends harm from what Allah has placed benefit in), or the sin of showing off in acts of worship, as mentioned in the sahih or rigorously authenticated hadith that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, The slightest bit of showing off in good works is shirk (al-Mustadrak ala al-Sahihayn. 4 vols. Hyderabad, 1334/1916. Reprint (with index vol. 5). Beirut: Dar al-Marifa, n.d.,1.4). Such sins do not put one outside of Islam, though they are disobedience and do show a lack of faith (iman).

Scholars say that the lesser shirk of such sins is meant by the hadith, for if the greater shirk of unbelief were intended, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) would not have referred to such individuals as being in my Umma, since unbelief (kufr) is separate and distinct from Islam, and necessarily outside of it. This is also borne out by another version of the hadith related from Abu Bakr (Nawadir al-usul, 397), which has fikum or “among you” in place of the words “in my Umma”, a direct reference to the Sahaba or prophetic Companions, none of whom was a mushrik or idolator, by unanimous consensus (ijma) of all Muslim scholars. As for sins of lesser shirk, it cannot be lost on anyone why their hiddenness is compared in the hadith to the imperceptible creeping of ants across a great smooth stone on a black night; namely, because of the subtlety of human motives, and the ease with which human beings can deceive themselves.

Similarly, al-Bukhari relates that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: “Truly, you shall follow the ways of those who were before you, span by span, and cubit by cubit, until, if they were to enter a lizards lair, you would follow them.” We said, “O Messenger of Allah, the Jews and Christians?” And he said, “Who else?” (Sahih al-Bukhari. 9 vols. Cairo 1313/1895. Reprint (9 vols. in 3). Beirut: Dar al-Jil, n.d., 9.126: 7320).

This hadith is also used by modern movements claiming to be a return to the Quran and sunna, to suggest that the majority of ordinary Sunni Muslims who follow the aqida (tenets of faith) or fiqh of mainstream orthodox Sunni Imams (whose classic works seldom fully correspond with their views) are intended by this hadith, while there is much evidence that the orthodox majority of the Umma is divinely protected from error, such as the sahih hadith related by al-Hakim that “Allah’s hand is over the group, and whoever diverges from them diverges to hell” (al-Mustadrak, 1.116). Such hadiths show that Quranic verses like “If you obey most of those on earth, they will lead you astray from the path of Allah” (Quran, 6:116) do not refer to those who follow traditional Islamic scholarship (who have never been a majority of those on earth), but rather the non-Muslim majority of mankind.

It is fitter to regard the previously-mentioned hadiths wording of following the Jews and Christians as referring, in our times, to the Muslims who copy the West in all aspects of their lives, rational and irrational, even to the extent of building banks in Muslim cities and holy places never before sullied by usury (riba) on an institutional basis since pre-Islamic times. Or those who promote divisive sectarian ideologies under the guise of reform movements among the Muslims, as the Jews and Christians did in their respective religions.

Traditional scholarship is protected from such misguidance by the authentic knowledge it has preserved, living teacher from living teacher, in unbroken succession back to the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace). To return to our question, without such a quality control process, the unaided reader of hadith cannot hope to become a sort of homemade alim, giving fatwas on the basis of what he finds in al-Bukhari or Muslim alone, because the sahih hadiths related to Islamic legal questions are by no means found only in these two works, but in a great many others, which those who issue judgements on these questions must know. I have mentioned elsewhere some of the sciences needed by the scholar to join between all the hadiths, and that some hadiths condition each other or are conditioned by more general or more specific hadiths or Quranic verses that bear on the question. Without this knowledge, and a traditional sheikh to learn it from, one must necessarily stumble, something I know because I have personally tried.

When I first came to Jordan in 1980, someone had impressed upon my mind that a Muslim needs nothing besides the Quran and sahih hadiths. After reading through the Arabic Quran with the aid of A.J. Arberry’s Qur’an Interpreted and recording what I understood, I sat down with the Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation of Sahih al-Bukhari and went through all the hadiths, volume by volume, writing down everything they seemed to tell a Muslim to do. It was an effort to cut through the centuries of accretions to Islam that orientalists had taught me about at the University of Chicago, an effort to win through to pure Islam from the original sources themselves. My Salafism and my orientalism converged on this point.

At length, I produced a manuscript of selected hadiths of al-Bukhari, a sort of do-it-yourself sharia manual. I still use it as an index to hadiths in al-Bukhari, though the fiqh conclusions of my amateur ijtihads are now rather embarrassing. When hadiths were mentioned that seemed to contradict each other, I would simply choose whichever I wanted, or whichever was closer to my Western habits. After all, I said, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) was never given a choice between two matters except that he chose the easier of the two (Sahih al-Bukhari, 4.230: 3560). For example, I had been told that it was not sunna to urinate while standing up, and had heard the hadith of Aisha that anyone who says the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) passed urine while standing up, do not believe him (Musnad al-Imam Ahmad. 6 vols. Cairo 1313/1895. Reprint. Beirut: Dar Sadir, n.d., 6.136). But then I read the hadith in al-Bukhari that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) once urinated while standing up (Sahih al-Bukhari, 1.66: 224), and decided that what I had first been told was a mistake, or that perhaps it did not matter much. Only later, when I began translating the Arabic of the Shafi’i fiqh manual Reliance of the Traveller did I find out how the scholars of sharia had combined the implications of these hadiths; that the standing of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) to pass urine was to teach the Umma that it was not unlawful (haram), but rather merely offensive (makruh)–though in relation to the Prophet such actions were not offensive, but rather obligatory to do at least once to show the Umma they were not unlawful–or according to other scholars, to show it was permissible in situations in which it would prevent urine from spattering one’s clothes.

In retrospect, my early misadventures in hadith enabled me to appreciate the way the fiqh I later studied had joined between all hadiths, something I had personally been unable to do. And I understood why, of the top hadith Imams, Imam al-Bukhari took his Shafi’i jurisprudence from the disciple of Imam Shafi’i, Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr al-Humaydi (al-Subki, Tabaqat al-Shafi’iyya al-kubra. 10 vols. Cairo: Isa al-Babi al-Halabi, 1383/1964, 2.214), and why Imams Muslim, al-Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud, and** al-Nasai** also followed the Shafi’i school (Mansur Ali Nasif, al-Taj al-jami li al-usul fi ahadith al-Rasul. 5 vols. Cairo 1382/1962. Reprint. Beirut: Dar Ihya al-Turath al-Arabi, n.d., 1.16), as did al-Bayhaqi, al-Hakim, Abu Nuaym, Ibn Hibban, al-Daraqutni, al-Baghawi, Ibn Khuzayma, al-Suyuti, al-Dhahabi, Ibn Kathir, Nur al-Din al-Haythami, al-Mundhiri, al-Nawawi, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Taqi al-Din al-Subki and others; why Imams such as Abd al-Rahman ibn al-Jawzi **followed the madhhab of **http://www.masud.co.uk/IMG/q-logo.gifAhmad ibn Hanbal; and why Abu Jafar al-Tahawi, Ali al-Qari, Jamal al-Din al-Zaylai (the African sheikh of Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, thought by some to have been even more knowledgeable than him), and Badr al-Din al-Ayni followed the Hanafi school.

These facts speak eloquently as to the role of hadith in the sharia in the eyes of these Imams, for whom it was not a matter of practicing either fiqh or hadith, as some Muslims seriously suggest today, but rather, the fiqh of hadith embodied in the traditional madhhabs which they followed. There would seem to be room for many of us to benefit from their example.

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Now this is long one, i need to print it...

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I agree that hadith shud not be used out of context ....but this article seems to be anti-salafi bias
esp saying that reform movements are like jews and christians ??
many great imams and mujadids led reform movements ...thats how deen remains alive to this day

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^I don't see him saying that all the reform movements are like Jews and Christians movements, let's read again what he wrote,

"those who promote divisive sectarian ideologies under the guise of reform movements among the Muslims".

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what about the Qur'an? It is the No. 1 source! and THEN COMES THE HADITH! The messenger followed the Qur'an and this is why he became perfect! Don't forget that!

Observe Prayer at the declining and paling of the sun on to the darkness of the night, and the recitation of the Quran in Prayer *at dawn. Verily, the recitation *of the Quran *at dawn is *specially *acceptable to God.*

17:79

How can people understand Hadith if the majority hasn't yet understood the Holy Qur'an?

have a nice one :slight_smile:

Peace Numb

Reading your reply was very confusing for me and sometimes very funny. You answered all these things but you didn't answer the main purpose of the original post.

Which is ....

That it is dangerous to quote from books of hadith if one does not know about the sciences of hadith.

What in all your many words do you have to say about the main thread topic? ... all your other points are really side issues, so I'm not looking at if they are right or wrong here .... I would ask you try to stay on topic ... to keep things simple for me.

maybe your right sister
but I have my doubts , these so-called orthodox muslims are very harsh sometimes in their criticism of ahle hadith or salafi scholars
esp i get really pissed off when they call syed qutub a khariji ...

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Wah, so now we need a bonified "scholar" to guide us through a maize of literature written by folks who grew up in a barren desert and did not even have a world class education to tote? That makes sense to you, somehow?

Do not forget the Quran in all the "mazes" of knowledge you have to navigate through for which you oh so desperately need a "scholar". The Quran says that Islam has been made clear and understandable for everyone, and people can figure it out on their own without a middle man. That's part of the beauty of our religion - we don't need to achieve salvation with the help of anyone except our own will and good deeds.

Just keep in mind. The "scholars" need to put bread on their table too. ;)

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^ ur point is valid to a certain extent i.e we shud not surrender our thinking entirely to scholars or shud not blindly follow a scholar
but not every layperson can interpret quran/hadith as he likes either ...even in sayyidna umar's time he made sure that certain expert sahaba were sent to different areas to educate people about islam.Even many sahaba themselves were nowhere close to being authorities [despite spending time with prophet & other sahaba] and thats why few of them were expert in legal matters.

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If the sahaba were mostly not experts, despite knowing the Prophet, what makes you think that today's scholar has any better understanding of what the Prophet meant and under what context?

And I disagree - you're talking about muslim scholars of today. Most of them do not even have a full college education. In fact, many never made it past high school, or went to madrassahs were they were not taught many subjects aside from religion and maybe some writing. These same "scholars" are out there today, and giving their high ended opinions on this and that, and the result is in front of you - a failing global muslim society. And you folks advocate we go fetch "scholars" to help us understand our religion?

Its easy. Open up a Quran and read.

many tabeen had better knowledge of deen than sahaba
thats a historical fact ...so religious knowledge does not diminish with generations

and many sahaba never got to know the finer points of islamic law as others. E.g ibn abbass despite his tender age knew far more about islam than many senior sahaba

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And I disagree - you're talking about muslim scholars of today. Most of them do not even have a full college education
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irrelevent
how is algebra , medicine or modern arts degree gonna affect their practice of religion
then when these kaffirs like hoodbhouy who spent his entire life looking thru a microscope and looks like a lab rat] writes a book on islam most of the "educated " "intellectuals" are falling over themselves to applaud it
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In fact, many never made it past high school, or went to madrassahs were they were not taught many subjects aside from religion and maybe some writing. These same "scholars" are out there today, and giving their high ended opinions on this and that, and the result is in front of you - a failing global muslim society. And you folks advocate we go fetch "scholars" to help us understand our religion?
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u are confusing the neighborhood mullah with a religious scholar
there are many programs in the west and east where students of religisous studies spend years reading about religions /philipsophy hell i cant even spell it !] politics and then they get their degree

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Its easy. Open up a Quran and read
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actually thats exactly what taliban have done too ...only u might be at the oppositte end of the spectrum

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Instead of reading this article, how many of us has really gone through the "Muqadama" of Bukhari, written by Imam Bukhari.

*What kind of Science? People haven't understood the Qur'an completely and you all talk about hadith, hadith, hadith! It is dangerous to give the Ahadith preference over Qur'an, and I see this happening here. We are only talking about Ahadith, as if the Qur'an had no worth! *

*Give me one hadith, I will try to answer with my knowledge. And for that you don't need to be a well-known scholar. We have seen were the scholars have led us. To 4 Muslim School Of Thoughts and 73 Groups. Thank You Very Much! *

Syed Qutb? Founder of the Muslim Brotherhood?

Shaykh Nuh was a salafi at one stage so he knows what he's talking about. Only because you don't agree with him (perhaps for his views on sectarianism) you're calling him so-called orthodox muslim. And what did you exactly find harsh in his article?

That's your opinion and we don't have to agree with it. You can carry on reading Fatima mernissi.

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Claiming that the Scholars of Today have more Knowledge than those in the Time of our Prophet (saw) is pure speculation to express it mild for you! The scholars of Today are so far away like the Earth is from the Sun!

When they Lord came from Sinai. And from his right went a fiery law for them. That was the light which had shown from the Mount Paran, when the Holy Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (saw) came with his 10.000 Sahabis. Which light is shining Today? The lamp Of Muhammad Mustafa (saw) is not shining. Young people having knowledge over senior Sahabis doesn't mean they were something better. See, this is the area where people forget that Allah grants knowledge whomever he wants and the people or the followers claim they have achieved that all alone and they are so great now.

If the Sahabis did not get to know the finger points of Islam (you make a mistery of my Religion, what is fingerpoint?) than they would have not been Sahabis.

well maybe my opinion is biased but i dont like those preachers who do not propogate the political aspects of islam
yes he is the same qutb

i think u dont know what a sahabi is
sahabi is one who 1-became a muslim during lifetime of prophet 2-met the prophet 3-died as muslim

even if this meeting was for a few hours or minutes ...this is by far the most commonly used defination of a sahabi

i am not saying that later scholars are neccesarily superior in eyes of God to earlier sahaba ....but there is ample evidence that they had more knowledge of religious matters than many sahaba
rest of what u said is pure rhetoric

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fatima mernissi and aisha bewley are the most evil and abdominable of women