Quetta Mosque bombing / Militants 'claim' responsibility (merged)

Its a good thing that MMA is finally speaking up against this. Hopefully this will help towards better relations between the two communities, which in my personal opinion are not that bad to begin with..except a select bunch of morons who want to create a rift and are behind the sectarian violence.

I expect that the leaders of MMA will open;y denounce these acts as contrary to the religious teachings and anyone commiting these acts as a lame murderer destined to hell..maybe some of the newer jackasses in sipah e sahaba etc will open their eyes then.

I hope and pray for safety of all the citizens and hope for the type of sectraian harmony which i witness in my friends and family circle.

InshaAllah one day it will happen.

Rather then Musharraf bashing or MMA bashing we should concentrate on building harmony, as well going after the real killers who did this attack. Lets not bring politics into everything, lets take care of the terrorists first.

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yara, that not true. I have prayed in Shiite mosque many times, you do know that theres nothing inherently wrong in Shia beliefs.

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Nothing wrong with them, true just like there is nothing wrong with sunni beliefs. However, the way they pray is a little different then how sunnis pray. Thats why they have different masaajids.

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1/4 of my family is Shia, and I must admit my guard was up for them after the Quetta massacre.

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Trust me, I have no Shia family members, but I am disgusted by this act of terrorism. I am sure everyone loyal to Pakistan is.

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I don't want to to turn this into a religious discussion but many of the people supporting the MMA hold extremist Sunni beliefs. I am not saying that MMA is directly responsible for the massacre but it certainly must account for it's extreme rhetoric.

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I dont think that is 100% true. Maybe some lower level ppl are, but not most of their leaders.

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This is incredibly appalling that Shias, Christians, Ahmadis have been targeted in Pakistan. The MMA must ensure that their rhetoric does not inflame passions further. We Pakistanis are tolerant, progressive people, we must not let Islam and our Mulk down by letting such crimes occur.
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Even sunnis have been targetted. The MMA is not in any way responsible. How can you rule out a foriegn hand against these attacks? And tell me one more thing, what will the MMA achieve by killing 50 shias? Will this get rid of Shias in Pakistan altogether? Certainly not.

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I dont think that is 100% true. Maybe some lower level ppl are, but not most of their leaders.
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We are speaking about a country that has Islam & Poltics so intertwined, remember Zia's referendum? I never said that MMA leaders are directly responsible but certainly many of their incendiary rhetoric does contribute to lower level ppl becoming extremist. A proper analogy would be the effect of Hitler on present day Skin heads/neo-Nazis, where the words of a leader are put into practice by the followers.

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Even sunnis have been targetted. The MMA is not in any way responsible. How can you rule out a foriegn hand against these attacks? And tell me one more thing, what will the MMA achieve by killing 50 shias? Will this get rid of Shias in Pakistan altogether? Certainly not. **

I never claimed that Sunnis weren't targetted. However considering the fact that Pakistan is a Sunni dominated country, we do have security in numbers. Wrong is wrong, whether it is Shias or Sunnis being killed. I am not ruling out foriegn hands in the attack, espicially due to the fact that this was a Hazara masjid in Quetta. Plus in the recent past a few Hazara policemen had been gunned down as well. I am not discounting anything, in fact I fully supported and still support MMA's rights to govern, as they do represent the wishes of the people.

Spock, you know as well as me, coming from Northern Punjab, secterian violence was unheard of until the 90s. I mean its ridiculous to see the violence come to Shia Sunni levels. I cringe to think how many more divisions we will pursue.

I just want to be clear that there is nothing wrong with being religious or conservative in your beliefs. In fact I respect every pious cleric, momin/momina, however my problems lie with imposing your beliefs on others.

The attack issue is becoming much more interesting actually,,,,
I would not be quick to link any MMA linked group with the attack.
If you read some news sources like Asia Times, there is a strong belief that both this attack and the attack killing 2 people on the Dawood Ibrahim controlled tower in Karachi were the result of a reactivation of Indian RAW controlled terrorists. This is likely due to the new found control of India’s NA allies over Afghanistan and also is likely a product of extremist Hindus within the Indian security establishment who intend to derail any renewed peace process.
Either way the initial government suggestions that the attack was of foreign origin seem to be the prevalent view among Pakistani authorities.

One thing I would like to ask those who are blaming MMA for these attacks...

What would the MMA gain by attacking these people? I mean it would only cause harm to their own cause, and besides, they are not the enemy of Pakistan.

It seems the MMA leadership has been reading some of the posts in Gupshup, and heeded our calls. :slight_smile: :k:

This is a certainly a very good move on the part of the MMA, which should be applauded in good spirit, whatever our political leanings. It shows the MMA leadership is prepared to play it’s part in trying to bridge the sectarian divide, and we must encourage this and hope that they can make this a permanent feature of their movement.

Now it’s time some MMA leaders dropped their incendiary and provocative outbursts, and promote only peace and unity amongst all Pakistani’s. Only the other week Qazi Hussain was going about how Pakistani soldiers if sent to Iraq would die as ‘kaffirs’ if they lost their lives there, and how their families should be socially boycotted in Pakistan. That sort of rhetoric has to go…

Nothing but 'showboating' by the MMA. I wonder why they waited so long? Is sandwich Sami trying to divert attention?

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Nothing but 'showboating' by the MMA. I wonder why they waited so long? Is sandwich Sami trying to divert attention?
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I agree, it is showboating, but then again alot of anti-MMA people wanted them to do it... So they had to do it...

:k: Right!

I welcome MMA or any other political party to represent the people of Pakistan, but request that it be done properly.

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killing 2 people on the Dawood Ibrahim
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who is he ? whether he is the same indian criminal, who is living in pakistan ...........

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..I agree, it is showboating, but then again alot of anti-MMA people wanted them to do it... **So they had to do it...
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Exactly. They had to do it. It is not out of love for their shia brothers. :)

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Exactly. They had to do it. It is not out of love for their shia brothers. :)
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yep, thats how politics goes brother... But then again, them protesting is again better than nothing... I sincerely believe that these people no doubt do not love Shias, but then again they dont hate them to the extent of causing harm to them. These attackers are definitely those no good banyas!

Militants ‘claim’ Quetta killings

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pathan dont just paste the link:

A videotape and letter have been handed to the BBC in which Pakistan's banned Sunni militant organisation Lashkar-e-Jhangvi claims it killed 50 Shia Muslims in a mosque in the city of Quetta 11 days ago.

The army took control of the city to stop revenge killings
The letter said a series of attacks against Shia Muslims sent a message of protest against the Pakistan's Shia minority and the government.

Pakistani Interior Minister Faisal Saleh Hayat has said the investigation is advancing into the killings.

The videotape handed to BBC reporters in Quetta showed three men who claimed to belong to Lashkar-e-Jhangvi.

Only one talks to a still camera - the youngest, who is described as a 17-year-old suicide attacker.

He delivers a 10-minute anti-Shia diatribe.

He and his colleagues' appearance match those of three men who were identified by the police as the culprits in the mosque killing spree.

Pictures of their bloodied faces were published in newspapers after the attack.

The author of an accompanying letter, dated after the mosque attack, claims responsibility on behalf of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi for it and a string of attacks, including one the previous month in which 12 Shia police cadets were killed in the back of their truck by drive-by attackers.

Prophet's honour

The letter says all the attacks were a protest against the government, President Pervez Musharraf, the United States and Iran.

The letter says the mosque attackers sacrificed their lives to protect the honour of the Prophet Mohammed and his wife.

The dispute over the heirs to Mohammed is what lies at the hear of the dispute between Sunnis and Shias 1,400 years ago.

The Iranian revolution, led by Shia clerics, exacerbated the enmity.

It is not clear how much the admission of responsibility will affect the investigation.

To date dozens of people have been detained. Some have been released.

But between 30 and 35 suspects remain in custody under arrest.

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The letter says all the attacks were a protest against the government, President Pervez Musharraf, the United States and Iran.

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Which city should I blow up if I want to protest Prime Minister Jamali, the UK and Burundi???

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The letter says the mosque attackers sacrificed their lives to protect the honour of the Prophet Mohammed and his wife.

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The Prophet and his wife's honour could only be saved by slaughtering people in prayer. This is sheer and utter madness. Something has to be done about this. I simply don't have the words to describe my outrage. And to think these insects have sympathizers...simply un fathomable.

Prophet Muhammad worshippers. Sheesh.

Arrest every member of the group and execute those responsible for murdering citizens of Pakistan.

I say make an example out of them. Kill them slowly and painfully using some medieval times torture devices.

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nah, use them for scientific research..