Questions to all Fundamentalists Muslims!

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Does God interfare in Human’s Daily routine life?

If God is single then why so many religions with different sets of teachings?

Islamic Prayer timings have been set according to movement of sun in sky…How many prayers to offer near north or south pole areas where there are 6 months day and 6 months night…?? Have to perform only five prayers per year and one Jumma Prayer after every 7 years..???

Eid-ul-Fitter to be celebrated after having seen the first day moon in the sky. What if I am on the surface of moon on a mission for two years. How shall I see the ‘first day moon’ in the sky from the surface of moon..???

While staying on the surface of moon, which is the side of ‘Kibla’.. How should I pray with my face towards kibla.

I offer my morning prayer in USA and then come to Pakistan on a very high speed Plane…I reach in Pakistan in just two hours. Here is time of night prayer… Am I exempt from noon, afternoon and evening prayers..???..But… In Pakistan, it is still previous date…Have I again to offer my night prayer.(which I already have performed yesterday night.)

Time is changing so fastly that it will lag behind all religions very soon..

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Wrong Forum Mate.

If you want Fundamentalists, then go ask Dubya where and who they are.

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*Originally posted by sholay: *
Wrong Forum Mate.

If you want Fundamentalists, then go ask Dubya where and who they are.
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OOOOPs Wrong person to ask. Dubya will probably point to some Sikh and say he is a fundo cause he has a long beard.

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Basic force, i had the answers to all your questions, but since it was directed towards fundamentalists, I guess I should stay out of the discussion.

as far as the last comment goes, it just indicates that the questions were just filler material to be able to make that statement :)

No worries..

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Define Fundamentalists please.

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Re: Questions to all Fundamentalists Muslims!

anyone who does not adhere to the fundamentals of the religion isnt fit enuff to qualify as the follower of the religion....
no fundamentals no further practices possible....

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*Originally posted by basic_force: *
Does God interfare in Human's Daily routine life?
like what????

If God is single then why so many religions with different sets of teachings?
because ppl's brains r not alike so they make up different ideas....

Islamic Prayer timings have been set according to movement of sun in sky....How many prayers to offer near north or south pole areas where there are 6 months day and 6 months night...?? Have to perform only five prayers per year and one Jumma Prayer after every 7 years..???
they refer to the places closest to them where the 5 prayers r established regularly and pray according to their time....

Eid-ul-Fitter to be celebrated after having seen the first day moon in the sky. What if I am on the surface of moon on a mission for two years. How shall I see the 'first day moon' in the sky from the surface of moon..???
follow the days according to ur homecity....
so dont forget to take ur cellphone with u for the contact and ask them....

While staying on the surface of moon, which is the side of 'Kibla'.. How should I pray with my face towards kibla.
u can use ur compass or laser guided directional device to predict precisely which side the kaaba is and start ur prayers....
as in the case of praying while on a mount, u r required only to face the kaaba when u start the prayer....

I offer my morning prayer in USA and then come to Pakistan on a very high speed Plane....I reach in Pakistan in just two hours. Here is time of night prayer... Am I exempt from noon, afternoon and evening prayers..???.......But.... In Pakistan, it is still previous date....Have I again to offer my night prayer.(which I already have performed yesterday night.)
case 1: u r exempted from the prayers....
case 2: no u do not need to repeat the prayer in this case....

Time is changing so fastly that it will lag behind all religions very soon..
maybe the human race will be extinct by the time.....
and religions wont be needed anymore....

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I hope that ye understands the meaning of a fundamentalist
what it means generally and what it means in the light of Islam? Moreover the distinction between a fundamentalist and an extremist.
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Re: Re: Questions to all Fundamentalists Muslims!

:hula:

Very good comments … Tell these fine words to Mr.Sholay and Co. I am glad because of your honesty and your attempts to answer the questions. I accept you r really a fundamentalist. Any how I know that fundamentalists always have answers to every question. It is irrelevent whether these answers are satisfactory or not. After all yours is a good attempt. I am really glad because all your answers are based on your common sense and are not based on your (out dated) Holy Book. It is really a good trend that real fundamentalists also have started using their common sense to answer various questions. This is exactly what I want to say on this forum: Use your own intellect and wisdom and leave that out dated wisdom which was imposed upon you hundereds of years before.

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*Originally posted by sholay: *
Wrong Forum Mate.

If you want Fundamentalists, then go ask Dubya where and who they are.
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Please do not guide me to wrong direction. I have found here, on this very forum, at least one fundamentalist.

This is really a pleasent day for me. I have consulted your previous posts from the archives and I have gone through your 'fundamentalists views' especially against Ahmedy Muslims. Now you deny being a fundamentalist.

I am really happy to know that you are no more a fundamentalist. This is a pleasent day for me.

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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
Basic force, i had the answers to all your questions, but since it was directed towards fundamentalists, I guess I should stay out of the discussion.

as far as the last comment goes, it just indicates that the questions were just filler material to be able to make that statement :)

No worries..
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You had all the answers but you did not disclosed because you are not a fundamentalist. Well whoever deny himself to be a fundamentalist, is really not a fundamentalist and therefore he is not required to answer.

Yours may be a correct analysis about my last comments.

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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
Define Fundamentalists please.
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Fundamentalists are those who decide every matter according to their encient religious holy book and from other ancient holy texts. According to this definition, You can consider Wahabies, Dewbandies and Ahmedies to be real fundamentalists. Sunnies are only partial fundamentalists because they are more democratic than a fundamentalist. They are proud of their majority and they decide different matters in accordence with what is decided by majority of their Alims. They are fundamentalists in the sense that their Alims are not equiped with up to date knowledge of current world situations.

Non-Fundamentalist Muslim is one who consider himself to be a Muslim and at the same time knows that Holy book does not contain practical solutions to practical problems for all times to come. Non-Fundamentalists use their own intellect and wisdom to decide on different current issues.

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*Originally posted by basic_force: *
Fundamentalists are those who decide every matter according to their encient religious holy book and from other ancient holy texts. According to this definition, You can consider Wahabies, Dewbandies and Ahmedies to be real fundamentalists. Sunnies are only partial fundamentalists because they are more democratic than a fundamentalist. .....
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Correct yourself. Wahabis, Deobandis, Brelvis all are SUNNI. "Sunni" is term used for those who use Prophet's all companions and descendants as source of ahadith/fiqh.

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Basic Force

If you've taken the liberty of viewing my previous posts, then you are no doubt fully aware that I can take you to school and back on any issue you choose to discuss.

The problem with this post my son is that you are new on this Forum and have chosen to ask questions using your emotions rather than your intellect. Within these emotions you have used the classic 'programmed' stereotypical approach hoping for a radical response. I tend to deal with people like you dime a dozen and saw you coming a mile off. It is for this reason I re-directed you to a source which you can no doubt relate to. However, you did not heed to my advice ( why am I not surprised) and now give me no choice but to start another lesson.

For the record, the term fundamental is derived from the Latin word 'fundamentum' meaning foundation or base. The adjective of this word means basic, central, essential, principal.

So you see, as another Guppie stated, every human on earth is a Fundamentalist. Why? because they all have some foundation and core values which they 'fundamentally' believe in. Whatever they are, they have something. Including you. Therefore, you now become the fundamentalist. Can you therefore take the liberty to answer your own post please. I can help with the answers if you require.

Moving on, I see you quote our Holy Book as being outdated. If this is the case then what becomes of the previous scriptures such as the Bible, Torah, Psalms, Vedas, Geeta, Zend Avesta, Jain Texts, Kojiki & Nihongi, Tripitaka & Dhammapada, Tao Te Ching, The Analects & Adi Granth. You see, these books are the most important 'scriptures' for these Faiths and came way before the Qur'aan, even though some of them are man-made, but nevertheless they are the central theme and guidance for the related communities. Please take your time on this one as I wouldn't want to be accused of rushing you for an answer!

What you attempted was a pathetic jump on the current common bandwagon approach 'loosely' using the word Fundamentalists hoping to get away with it and not realising that there are people like Sholay on this Forum waiting for the likes of you.

Now you can say, 'this really is a pleasant day for me'.

Or is it?

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In spite of what some may believe, the number of one's posts on gupshup is not necessarily indicative of their knowledge. The term fundamentalist refers to a conservative, orthodox and literalist approach to the basic texts of one's religion.

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Seminole

You are right about the number thing. Maybe you should cut down on your posts!

Here you go:

fun·da·men·tal

Adj

Of or relating to the foundation or base; elementary: the fundamental laws of the universe.
Forming or serving as an essential component of a system or structure; central: an example that was fundamental to the argument.
Of great significance or entailing major change: a book that underwent fundamental revision.
Physics.
Of or relating to the component of lowest frequency of a periodic wave or quantity.
Of or relating to the lowest possible frequency of a vibrating element or system.
Music. Having the root in the bass: a fundamental chord.

n.
Something that is an essential or necessary part of a system or object.
Music. The first harmonic in a harmonic series; the lowest harmonic.
Physics. The lowest frequency of a periodically varying quantity or of a vibrating system.

funda·mental·ly adv.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language

fundamental

\Fun`da*men"tal\, a. [Cf. F. fondamental.] Pertaining to the foundation or basis; serving for the foundation. Hence: Essential, as an element, principle, or law; important; original; elementary; as, a fundamental truth; a fundamental axiom.

The fundamental reasons of this war. --Shak.

Some fundamental antithesis in nature. --Whewell.

Fundamental bass (Mus.), the root note of a chord; a bass formed of the roots or fundamental tones of the chords.

Fundamental chord (Mus.), a chord, the lowest tone of which is its root.

Fundamental colors, red, green, and violet-blue. See Primary colors, under Color.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary

fundamental

\Fun"da*men`tal\, n. A leading or primary principle, rule, law, or article, which serves as the groundwork of a system; essential part, as, the fundamentals of the Christian faith.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary

fundamental

adj 1: serving as an essential component; "a cardinal rule"; "the central cause of the problem"; "an example that was fundamental to the argument"; "computers are fundamental to modern industrial structure" [syn: cardinal, central, key, primal] 2: being or involving basic facts or principles; "the fundamental laws of the universe"; "a fundamental incompatibility between them"; "these rudimentary truths"; "underlying principles" [syn: rudimentary, underlying] 3: far-reaching and thoroughgoing in effect especially on the nature of something; "the fundamental revolution in human values that has occurred"; "the book underwent fundamental changes"; "committed the fundamental error of confusing spending with extravagance"; "profound social changes" [syn: profound] n : the lowest tone of a harmonic series [syn: fundamental frequency, first harmonic]

Source: WordNet

fundamental

adjective

forming the base, from which everything else originates; more important than anything else:

Source: Cambridge Dictionary

Pronunciation fuhn dE mehn tEl

Definition 1. serving as a foundation; basic; central.
Example the fundamental purpose of meditation.
Synonyms elementary (1) , central (3) , basic (2) , underlying (2) , foundational {foundation (1)} , primary (1,4)
Crossref. Syn. basic , true , bottom , key , rudimentary , essential , ultimate , prime
Similar Words chief , principal , cardinal , crucial , major , main
Definition 2. of or relating to essential purpose or function.
Example a fundamental change in direction.
Synonyms essential (1) , basic (1) , key1
Crossref. Syn. intrinsic , essential , substantial , bottom , radical
Similar Words vital
Definition 3. of a musical chord, having its lowest note as the basis or root.
Similar Words tonic

Source: Wordsmyth English Dictionary.

Next time please think before you accuse and pretend to be something that maybe you are not?

Not all of us try to impress.

Peace.

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Oh my, am I impressed! One should never underestimate the challenges presented when copying and pasting from the dictionary.

To be even more impressive, next time look up the actual term that is being discussed.

fun·da·men·tal·ism (P) Pronunciation Key (fnd-mntl-zm) n.
A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.

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Seminole

What were you expecting. A divine revelation of the meaning. If a number of dictionaries is not good enough for you, then nothing else is. I wasn't going to give you a description which I had picked on my travels to Mars now was I.

Secondly, it might help to read a post before jumping in head first:

For the record, the term fundamental is derived from the Latin word 'fundamentum' meaning foundation or base. The adjective of this word means basic, central, essential, principal.

This is what I posted.

Do I need to teach you the English language as well.

The noun of the adjective doesn't change the core meaning of the word.

Adjectives are words that use to describe a noun. They usually come before it. Adjectives never change their form, they are always the same........

Enough. I'm not at school teaching kids now. Or am I.

Seminole. Please go and impress Basic Force. I've heard and seen enough for now.

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For the record, “fundamentalism” was a term coined in the early 20th century by Curtis Lee Laws as a designation for those Christians who were unhappy with growing Biblical criticism and the encroachment of Darwinian theories about the origin of the universe. They were religous conservatives who believed in the literal translation of the Bible. The term has since been applied to any religous group that have similar beliefs regarding their own scripture.

Here are some definitions of the term as used when referencing religous movements: Fundamentalism, East and West

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Originally posted by basic_force: *
**because all your answers are based on your common sense and are not based on your (out dated) Holy Book.*
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I don't know about fundamentalist you have found on the thread but i can unfortunately see another ill mannered person opening his mouth about other religions.

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*Originally posted by sholay: *
Basic Force

If you've taken the liberty of viewing my previous posts, then you are no doubt fully aware that I can take you to school and back on any issue you choose to discuss.

The problem with this post my son is that you are new on this Forum and have chosen to ask questions using your emotions rather than your intellect. Within these emotions you have used the classic 'programmed' stereotypical approach hoping for a radical response. I tend to deal with people like you dime a dozen and saw you coming a mile off. It is for this reason I re-directed you to a source which you can no doubt relate to. However, you did not heed to my advice ( why am I not surprised) and now give me no choice but to start another lesson.

For the record, the term fundamental is derived from the Latin word 'fundamentum' meaning foundation or base. The adjective of this word means basic, central, essential, principal.

So you see, as another Guppie stated, every human on earth is a Fundamentalist. Why? because they all have some foundation and core values which they 'fundamentally' believe in. Whatever they are, they have something. Including you. Therefore, you now become the fundamentalist. Can you therefore take the liberty to answer your own post please. I can help with the answers if you require.

Moving on, I see you quote our Holy Book as being outdated. If this is the case then what becomes of the previous scriptures such as the Bible, Torah, Psalms, Vedas, Geeta, Zend Avesta, Jain Texts, Kojiki & Nihongi, Tripitaka & Dhammapada, Tao Te Ching, The Analects & Adi Granth. You see, these books are the most important 'scriptures' for these Faiths and came way before the Qur'aan, even though some of them are man-made, but nevertheless they are the central theme and guidance for the related communities. Please take your time on this one as I wouldn't want to be accused of rushing you for an answer!

What you attempted was a pathetic jump on the current common bandwagon approach 'loosely' using the word Fundamentalists hoping to get away with it and not realising that there are people like Sholay on this Forum waiting for the likes of you.

Now you can say, 'this really is a pleasant day for me'.
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"If you've taken the liberty of viewing my previous posts, then you are no doubt fully aware that I can take you to school and back on any issue you choose to discuss."

While viewing your previous posts I was not asked for any permission from your side so I was at my liberty. You can only take any one to a school because you appear to be a school master.

"The problem with this post my son is that you are new on this Forum and have chosen to ask questions using your emotions rather than your intellect. Within these emotions you have used the classic 'programmed' stereotypical approach hoping for a radical response. I tend to deal with people like you dime a dozen and saw you coming a mile off. It is for this reason I re-directed you to a source which you can no doubt relate to. However, you did not heed to my advice ( why am I not surprised) and now give me no choice but to start another lesson."

Ok! Start your lesson...

"For the record, the term fundamental is derived from the Latin word 'fundamentum' meaning foundation or base. The adjective of this word means basic, central, essential, principal. "

I am not concerned over 'fundamental'. I was talking of 'fundamentalist Muslims'. I am not interested in your Latin or English Garammer.

"So you see, as another Guppie stated, every human on earth is a Fundamentalist. Why? because they all have some foundation and core values which they 'fundamentally' believe in. Whatever they are, they have something. Including you. Therefore, you now become the fundamentalist. Can you therefore take the liberty to answer your own post please. I can help with the answers if you require."

Now you say that every one is a fundamentalist whereas in your previous post you denied yourself being a fudamentalist. You said in your previous post that I will not find any fundamentalist on this forum. You also tried to direct me to some other forum. However, your present analysis may be correct but rememer that I was not talking of any 'fundamentalist'. I was talking of only 'fundamentalist Muslims'.

"Moving on, I see you quote our Holy Book as being outdated. If this is the case then what becomes of the previous scriptures such as the Bible, Torah, Psalms, Vedas, Geeta, Zend Avesta, Jain Texts, Kojiki & Nihongi, Tripitaka & Dhammapada, Tao Te Ching, The Analects & Adi Granth. You see, these books are the most important 'scriptures' for these Faiths and came way before the Qur'aan, even though some of them are man-made, but nevertheless they are the central theme and guidance for the related communities. Please take your time on this one as I wouldn't want to be accused of rushing you for an answer!"

**Despite your "vast experience" you have been unable to guess my mind. I myself have to open it before you. Quran is the most recent Holy Text. It is about 14 or 15 hundered years old. Other Holy Texts you quoted are even more ancient. If I can consider Quran to be 'out dated' (I mean it does not contain practical solutions to practical problems of present or future world.), then why should I consider all other religious holy texts to be 'up to date'? Surly all these religious holy texts are 'out dated'. Your analysis that older religios holy texts are still the central theme and guidence for related communities is not correct. World's most advanced communities do not believe in any religious theme. For example, they are christiens by name only. They openly critisize the teachings of bible and New Testament. They, despite being Christiens, do not believe in any super natural charactristics of Jesus, their holy person. They do not believe biblical description of how universe originated. Rather they believe in related scientific theories. They do not believe in Adam Eve Story as is described in their bible. They give more importance to Darwin's theory. So ancient religios holy texts are not the central theme and guidence for the related communities.

In present world, only 'Fundamentalists Jews' and "Fundamentalist Muslims" still insist their ancient holy texts to be the central theme and guidence. I condemn both Jew and Muslim Fundamentalists. This is a forum to discuss matters especially related to Muslims. I can ask all these questions to funadamentalist Jews as well on some other forum ofcourse.**

"What you attempted was a pathetic jump on the current common bandwagon approach 'loosely' using the word Fundamentalists hoping to get away with it and not realising that there are people like Sholay on this Forum waiting for the likes of you."

I have shown your misjudgments about me and your wrong analysis about the followers of other religions in previous para. People like you can be easily handled by people like me.

And it is another fine day for me.