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whats ur deal? who told you we accuse her of adultry? thats absolutely not true..
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Well read the books are Mullah Baqir Majlisi and Khomeni, you will know. They said that when your so called hidden Imam will appear, he will enforce hadd on Hazrat Aisha r.a. Hadd is punishment for things like zina, etc and prescribed in the Shariat.
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in fact Mamooli is right. They will never stop with their incessant ridiculous remarks. They never answered my simple question and their last resort is Ibn Saba and Mataam.
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Huh!?!
Okay, lets all donate some tissue to some of the shia friends here... lets form a comfort circle.
It is okay friends, its just a discussion on just another forum on the net, no harm done to your rona pitna. Keep up the good and loving work you DID and keep on doing for the family of the prophet, they must be very proud of you in their graves. I just wish they could see you on the matams, I just wish.
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ripper they're not here to listen to you're POV mate, they merely want to impose they're ridiculous opinions on you. obviously they're coming from the mentality they think they know more about you're beliefs then you do...so on that front mate, you're doing nowt but wasting youre time and energy that could be well spent on the more genuine and open minded folks around here.
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A conclusion from the moderator WOW
FORGIVE ME FOR MY POOR ENGLISH
they merely want to impose they’re ridiculous opinions on you.
it a discussion isnt it?
everyone is giving his opinion from his religious books
i m following this thread but i never participated as a poster in it.
Quraan e kareem says " qul hatuu burhanakum in kuntum saadiqeen"
if you are right present your evidence.
when some of bros said you are from yazid’s family, no one said a single word but now if they show you the mirror that you people are actually follower of abdullah ibn sabaa yahuudi
tau wohi misaal sadiq aayee woh jo kehtay hain
:pooNch par paOn rakh diya:
matam keejiyay, sar phoRiyay, galam galoch keejiyay aap ko sab jayez hai. khoob
doosra fareeq agar aap hi ki kutub say haqeeqat bayan karay to woh ridiculous ho jata hai.
Ma Mooli ji your argument is less rather lesser then mamooli.
thanks
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I believe that if you believe in one god, the prophet muhammed and in the quran then you are a muslim.
Now any religion or any subject for that matter as it grows will lead to different sects or different schools of thoughts, that is inevitable. Even when things are writen down its possible to have different interpretaions, hence we have Judges to interpret the laws that are clearly written down...as even then there can be misunderstandings. We must not be narrow minded. What others believe in is a matter between them and their god. We should not judge them, neither should we start fighting between ourselves. Otherwise we are only harming ourselves.
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nope...don't believe it...maybe u should get a copy of those books and read for urself...and post the exact reference
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I have photo copies of those pages, I hope you are not doing Taqiya
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So tel me, if your wive (if you are married) part of your household? Or let say your mother part of the household of your father, or only son in law, daughter and grandsons are part of his Ahal Bayat?
Shia defination of Ahal Bayat is against the Quran, logic and dictionary.
why don't you just read ur sahih hadiths and then try to understand them too..i posted this before and now posting it again for the 2nd time
The verse "Verily Allah intends to ... (33:33)" was revealed to the Prophet (PBUH&HF) in the house of Umm Salama. Upon that, the Prophet gathered Fatimah, al-Hasan, and al-Husain, and covered them with a cloak, and he also covered Ali who was behind him. Then the Prophet said: "O' Allah! These are the Members of my House (Ahlul-Bayt). Keep them away from every impurity and purify them with a perfect purification." Umm Salama (the wife of Prophet) asked: "Am I also included among them O Apostle of Allah?" the Prophet replied: "You remain in your position and you are toward a good ending." Sunni reference: Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, pp 351,663
Ofcourse Bibi Salma is part of His Family but here Prophet (pbuh&up) and Allah are trying to show you who they mean by Ahlul Bayt....this is the point and if you dont want to agree with it then fine
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little human posted a link about taqiya...stop trying to make fun of this practice and try to understand...but it seems like you don't know how to behave...if i start to talk to you like you want me to then i will certainly will be banned pretty soon
all the scholers i have talked to did not mention this. so get the books and not just some photo copies from the net...i will also mention this to the scholer we currently have in the mosque
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all the scholers i have talked to did not mention this. so get the books and not just some photo copies from the net...i will also mention this to the scholer we currently have in the mosque
Ask him if Isna Ashris believe in Rajat or not.
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Shiraz, is your wife not part of your family? What about if you have kids?
Quran talks about them... post the verses, buddy.
Hazrat Aishah's protest with Hazrat Ali was for the right reasons: Catch the damn criminals that killed Hazrat Usman... is that unfair to ask?
read what i wrote above..it has both the verse and hadith from sahih book
so aishah couldnt just talk to Imam Ali (a.s.), the rightly guided Khalifa of the time and sort it out...He was after all part of her Family right? when Quran is telling her to stay inside and she goes out and fight against Imam Ali (a.s.) and many muslims lose their lives cuz of it...you may not see a problem in it but i do...so now what
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the Prophet replied: "You remain in your position and you are toward a good ending."
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I have already answered that, meaning that you are already included, when the ayat was revealed, it only included the wives, so Prophet s.a.w gathered Hazrat Ali, Fatima r.a, Hassan r.a and Hussain r.a r.a. and also included them in the household.
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Ofcourse Bibi Salma is part of His Family but here Prophet (pbuh&up) and Allah are trying to show you who they mean by Ahlul Bayt....this is the point and if you dont want to agree with it then fine
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L0L, household is english for Ahal Bayat. So are the wives part of household or not? What about other 3 daughters of Prophet s.a.w? Are they part of household or not?
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so aishah couldnt just talk to Imam Ali (a.s.), the rightly guided Khalifa of the time and sort it out...He was after all part of her Family right? when Quran is telling her to stay inside and she goes out and fight against Imam Ali (a.s.) and many muslims lose their lives cuz of it...you may not see a problem in it but i do...so now what
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After the negotiations betweern both sides, they had reached a deal, when munafiqoon (Shias who had entered the both camp, who were also responsible for the murder of Hazrat Usman r.a) started to shoot arrows at both sides in the dark, and both Hazrat Ali r.a. and Hazrat Aisha r.a. were surprised at this. They didnt want both parties to reach an agreement, because that meant they are dead.
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Lets leave history behind...
Lets hit home, shiraz:
Is your wife not part of your family?
What about if you have kids?
Discrimination against family of the prophet needs to end.
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The Quran specifically refers to the Prophet's Wives as Ahlul Bayt in the Quran. In fact, the Quran ONLY mentions Ahlul Bayt twice and BOTH times it refers to the WIVES:.
"O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in your speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, you People of the House,and to make you pure and spotless."
(Quran, 33:32-33)
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The transliteration reads: Ya nisa al-nabiyi **lastuna kahadin mina alnisa-i ini itaqaytuna fala takhdaAAna bialqawli fayatmaAAa allathee fee qalbihi maradun waqulna qawlan maAAroofan Waqarna fee buyootikunna wala tabarrajna tabarruja aljahiliyyati al-oola waaqimna alssalata waateena alzzakata waatiAAna Allaha warasoolahu innama yureedu Allahu liyuthhiba AAankumu alrrijsa **Ahlul Bayt-i wayutahhirakum tatheeran
(Quran, 33:32-33)
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The second time the Quran mentions Ahlul Bayt is in reference to the wife of Prophet Ibrahim:
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"She said: O wonder! shall I bear a son when I am an extremely old woman and this my husband an extremely old man? Most surely this is a wonderful thing. They said: "Do you wonder at Allah's decree? The grace of Allah and His blessings on you, o you People of the House! for He is indeed worthy of all praise, full of all glory!"
(Quran, 11:72-73)
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The transliteration reads: Qālat Yā Waylatā 'A'alidu Wa 'Anā Ajūzun Wa Hadhā Balī Shaykhāan 'Inna Hādhā Lashay'un Ajībun. Qālū 'Atajabīna Min 'Amri Allāhi Raĥmatu Allāhi Wa Barakātuhu `Alaykum [size=6]'Ahlul-Bayt-i 'Innahu Ĥamīdun Majīdun ./size
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So it was that Allah Almighty, in His Infinite Wisdom, chose to bestow the honor of mentioning the Prophet's Wives (i.e. Ahlul Bayt) in the Glorious Quran, and He further blessed them saying that He wanted to make them Pure and Spotless.
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Let us first define the words “Ahlul Bayt.” I will not define it myself but rather I will quote straight from the most popular Shia website, Al-Islam.org (emphasis is mine):
The term “ahl” signifies the members of a household of a man,** including** his fellow tribesmen, kin, relatives, wife (or wives), children, and all those who share a family background, religion, housing, city, and country with him…
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“Bayt” refers to habitation and dwelling, including tents and buildings both. The “ahl-al-bayt” of any person refers to his family members and** all those who live in his house.
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Source: http://al-islam.org/mot/default.asp?url=14ahlbayt.htm
Ahl-al-Bayt: Its Meaning and Origin, Translated by M. Jalali, Vol. 2, Nos. 2 & 3
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WOW!! you got them shias at last. Giving them reference from thier very near and dear website. havnt ya my brother? 
CONGRATES!!!
BUT WAIT!!!
As I mentioned before “Naqal kay liyay Aqal bhee zarooree”, you were to eager copy-n-pasting again you forget to read that the whole article. Which proves from sunni text that wives are not part of Ahl-e-Bait (a.s).
Here’s a quote from the last paragraph of the article you posted above:
A word of advise my brother, at least check the context before copy n pasting.