QUESTIONS TO A SHIA

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lol

Again, you hide behind those personalities rather than taking the argument head one. :hehe:

As I said, stop using taliban, suicide bombing, yazid and mauwiyah, etc. to justify your actions or as a “reply” to my arguments. LOL. It doesn’t help you.

I don’t care about them nor am I related to them, nor is that my issue. They along with you can go to hell, i don’t care. When will see that you are running away from the main point when you try to associate these people and elements with me?

Such fixation with Mauwiyah when you can’t even defend your own action that you think are you doing as a service to the great Imams? And you have to use people like Muawiyah and taliban and the rest in order to get some water in your argument? How pathetic.

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Save Mauwiyah - it is your job bloody ---- anyway I am out gtg home …

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Hazrat Essa was Nabi but he was hanged …. Why Allah didn’t help him …….
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Hazrat Isa a.h was not hanged but Allah raised him to the heavens.

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So you could betray Hazrat Hussain r.a. just like the SHias of Kufa?

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Frustration, anger, regret - all hallmarks of shiaism. No need to get mad brother, we are just debating... take your revenge in the next life. :D

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Read your own books, it was Shias or Kufa who betrayed and killed Hazrat Hussain r.a. Thats why Shias beat themselves every year in Muharram, punishment on them from Allah.

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Imam was chosen by Allah ----

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Only Prophets are chosen by Allah, so you are elevating the status of Imams like the Prophet s.a.w? Show me where in Quran it says that Allah chose your Imams, does It mention their names?

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So wives are not part of Ahl bayat but grandsons/son in law are?

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:google:

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When you google, they say, ask,
when you ask, they say, google. :halo:

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May Allah give you hidayat. Ameen

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you got that right. you are probably too ignorant and havnt read your sahih sittah
*Chapter 9: THEE MERITS OF THE FAMILY OF THE PROPHET (MAY PEACE BE UPON HIM) *

*Book 031, Number 5955,Sahih Muslim: *'A'isha reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) went out one norning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel's hair that there came Hasan b. 'Ali. He wrapped hitn under it, then came Husain and he wrapped him under it along with the other one (Hasan). Then came Fatima and he took her under it, then came 'Ali and he also took him under it and then said: Allah only desires to take away any uncleanliness from you, O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying)

there is a verse in Quran as well about these Holy people

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Narrated Aisha: One day the Prophet (PBUH&HF) came out afternoon wearing a black cloak (upper garment or gown; long coat), then al-Hasan Ibn Ali came and the Prophet accommodated him under the cloak, then al-Husain came and entered the cloak, then Fatimah came and the Prophet entered her under the cloak, then Ali came and the Prophet entered him to the cloak as well. Then the Prophet recited: "Verily Allah intends to keep off from you every kind of uncleanness O' People of the House (Ahlul-Bayt), and purify you a perfect purification (the last sentence of Verse 33:33)." Sunni reference:

*]Sahih Muslim, Chapter of virtues of companions, section of the virtues of the Ahlul-Bayt of the Prophet (PBUH&HF), 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, Arabic version, v4, p1883, Tradition #61.

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Another version of the "Tradition of Cloak" is written in Sahih al-Tirmidhi, which is narrated in the authority of Umar Ibn Abi Salama, the son of Umm Salama (another wife of Prophet), which is as follows: The verse "Verily Allah intends to ... (33:33)" was revealed to the Prophet (PBUH&HF) in the house of Umm Salama. Upon that, the Prophet gathered Fatimah, al-Hasan, and al-Husain, and covered them with a cloak, and he also covered Ali who was behind him. Then the Prophet said: "O' Allah! These are the Members of my House (Ahlul-Bayt). Keep them away from every impurity and purify them with a perfect purification." Umm Salama (the wife of Prophet) asked: "Am I also included among them O Apostle of Allah?" the Prophet replied: "You remain in your position and you are toward a good ending." Sunni reference: Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, pp 351,663

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My God…girl u made me speechless. Perhaps u r young?

I don’t even know where I should begin.

The shias of today, were they present when Karbala happened?

It’s like saying Hazrat Adam a.s. sinned [Nauzobillah] that’s why man inherited sins and so Hazrat Isa Jesus a.s. had to die for our sins.

Allah is Adil, nobody inherit sins. You are responsible for what u do and not for others.

Log Hazrat Ali a.s. kay zamanay say dhoka ditay aein hain. From Hazrat Hassan a.s to Hazrat I Hussain a.s. Allah will deal with the actions of the people of Kufa and Allah will deal with the actions of people of today.

I don’t even know how ppl can relate the point that “they” killed Imam Hussain a.s. that’s why “they” beat themselves today?!!! The ppl of today werent’ even present then!

QURAN

“Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my near relatives; and whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein…” (42:23)

Prophet Mohammad pbuh asked for nothing but that the ummah loves his near relatives. khatemul Nabageen said this. His rutba is above all mankind and he asked for NOTHING but love for his near relatives.

SUNNAH

Referring** specifically** to I Hussain a.s.

“Husain a.s. is from me and I am from Hussain a.s.”
Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal Vol 4, P172

Matam is done because of grief - what the muslims did to the family of the Prophet [Pbuh and on his family].

Last thing I want to say is don’t go to anti-shia websites to learn about shias and their practices. If u hv questions about shias, u can PM Zer01, Ma mooli and Y2k_Zaid and I am sure they would be willing to help u out. Don’t bother going to anti-shia websites to learn - just as u won’t go to anti-islam website to learn about ur deen.

Be careful with what u read here, think logically and make sure the resources they dish out is reliable n not some hate sites.

Take care :flower1:

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aawwwww, magarmuch ki ankh main ansooo :rolleyes:

Practice so based on flawed logic and self torture CANNOT and SHOULD not be part of Islam… which is the reason why:

Prophet never did it… he had numerous oppurtunities to do so during his life time.
Ali never did it… same as above.
Sahaba never did it… same as above!
Tab’eeen never did it…
Taba-tab’een never did it…

So, if none of the AUTHORITIVE people in Islam did this satanic ritual, where did the shias get it from? These same people who “cry” and “moan” and “mourn” and “beat themselves” and “cut themselves” and “cut their kids” and “spill blood” and “spill blood of their kids” were WATCHING while Hazrat Hussain and people with him were killed and murdered by cold blood killers and I hope those who WATCHED and THOSE who LIED to get Hazrat Hussain to come to Karbala (kufa people) burn in hell forever along with those who killed family members of the Prophet.

Use the hate card, play the victim. Think about it folks, if people who can inflict torture and punishment in regret to themselves, what can they do to others? What type of harm are they able to inflict on others? Just think.

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There was no conflict between sahaba, nor were there any conflict between Abu Bakr, Ali, Usman and umer. It is something which was created out of Karabal event by the followers of Abdullah bin saba to keep muslims spinning in circle forever and they keep inventing new ways to celebrate matam and shia days each year… I guess, in ko abi tak wahi aah rahee hai.

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I don’t get it. The people who do matam today, they were present in Karbala? Why would they regret to themselves if they weren’t even present then?

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So why did the people of Karbala NOT help Hazrat Hussain??? Why did they watched while family members of the prophet were killed? Why did the people of Kufa lied to get Hazrat Hussain in karbala? Then when they were killed, they started mourning and thats where this whole matam thing came out, of course not in its present day form.

If could very well by huge game plan against Islam but shias don't see that. They see others who equally love family of the prophet but do not get down to self torture and self damage and self harm to display it. You display your love by FOLLOWING, not spilling your blood, spilling blood of your kids, beating yourself like animals... thats just regret, not love. You do as the person you love LIVED THEIR LIFE...

you think if Prophet and his family members were alive today they would approve of the way shias do matam today??? Ask yourself and then aswer it to yourself as well, I don't think we would disagree on that.

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the Prophet replied: "You remain in your position and you are toward a good ending."

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Meaning you are already part of the ahle bayat. There are other hadees with these words so our point proven. :D

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Brother ... did people of kufa ever hellped anyone ...

they even not spared the great ali(ra) ....
they even not spared the great hassan(ra) ...abused him... throwed stones on him... and ridiculed him...
so ... how it possible that they could spare great hussain(ra) .......