Re: Questions:Gog &Magog/Ad Dajjal/Khidr
Be respectfull when talk about Prophets! Enough said.
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so why does Allah need to create this melodrama, and not just say 'Stop' and everything stops and judgement Day can begin?
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Fill in the titles in your mind, smooth guy. Use that imagination.
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He will one day “Stop” and you will be judged, He is giving us time so in the end we won’t claim “we didn’t get fair chance” 
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^well, what's the use of this melodrama if after it has started "No one could repent after Sun dawns from the west. That day will come very close to Qiyamaat." and "After that your fate is fixed, and you can't undo your punishment with any number of good deeds".
These quotes imply that once you've been stamped you can only wait for Judgement Day to begin, because you can't do anything anymore: you're faith is already sealed. So what use does Judgement Day itself has then?
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the 4th one is hazrat sheeth i think.
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Oh bhai, do research or read the research done by others (there are books on signs of Qiyamat). The beast and Sun are the very closest signs to the actual day of judgement. Before that there are atleast 50 something signs that have to be appeared. Dajjal, Mehdi and Jesus :as: are one of those bigger signs that will come quiet a time before the beast. So atleat two generations will witness the coming of qiyamat. Those who will see these signs and will still not repent will be Kuffars, so you can’t say they will not get chance. We need to pray that we be amongst the Muslims not the followers of Dajjal, instead of mocking signs of qiyamat.
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I think it is Hazrat Ilyas :as:, but I might be wrong. I read about this years ago in a book called “Tazkarat-ul-Anbiya” by Moulana Nasir Khan Sufi Akbarabadi.
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No, he is dead.
The stories of al-Khidr told by the righteous are innumerable. They claim that he and Ilyaas perform Hajj each year and they narrated du’aa’s from them, and these stories are well known and widespread, but the basis of what they say is very weak, because most of them are stories narrated from some of those whom they think are righteous, or dreams and ahaadeeth that are attributed to Anas or others, but all of them are da’eef (weak) and cannot be used to prove anything.
What seems to me to be more likely, based on the evidence concerning this matter, is that al-Khidr is not alive, rather he died. This is for a number of reasons:
1 – The apparent meaning of the aayah (interpretation of the meaning)
And We granted not to any human being immortality before you (O Muhammad); then if you die, would they live forever? [al-Anbiya’ 21:34]
2 – The Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: O Allaah, if you allow this group of Muslims to be destroyed, You will not be worshipped on earth. (Narrated by Muslim)
3 – The Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said that one hundred years after the night on which he was speaking, none of the people who were on the face of the earth then would still be alive. If al-Khidr had been alive at that point he would not have remained after the hundred years mentioned. Muslim ibn al-Hajjaaj said that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar said: “The Messenger of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) led us in praying ‘Isha’ one night towards the end of his life, then he stood up and said: ‘Do you see this night of yours? One hundred years from now not one of those who are on the face of the earth now will remain.” Ibn ‘Umar said: “The people did not understand these words of the Messenger of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and they said that this meant that the Day of Resurrection would come after one hundred years. The Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘not one of those who are on the face of the earth now will remain’ meaning that that generation would pass away.”
4 – If al-Khidr had lived until the time of the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), he would have followed him, supported him and fought alongside him, because he was sent to the two races of jinn and mankind.
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^ dont all four of your points apply to Hazrat Isa too? or do you believe that he is dead?
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^ No they dont. Reasons being:
- Isa (as) has not been granted immortality.
- Isa (as) is not present on this earth.
- apply fact #2 here.
- Once again, Isa (as) is not present on this earth hence there was no way he could have come and met Muhammad (sas). Isa (as) is very much alive but he is in the next world, not in this and has no affairs with the proceedings of this world. Khidr (as) on the other hand is thought to be very much alive in this world and even helps people every now and then, in fact one guppy over here has said that he drank from the fountain of youth. I wonder where that infomation came from.
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. (edited) ( Got my answer from sharaabi )
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for me they do ..
**[21:35] **We granted not everlasting life to any mortal before thee. If they shouldst die, shall they live here for ever?
**[21:36] **Every soul shall taste death; and We test you with evil and good by way of trial. And to US shall you be returned.
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Hazrat Isa (AS) & Hazrat Idrees (AS) are in heaven. Hazrat Khizar (Khidr/Khadir) (AS) & Hazrat Ilyas (AS) are on earth.
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^ hazrat isa a.s is not dead. he ha dbeen raised to the heavens and will return to this world.
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I will post my point of view, when I have gathered all of the reliable sources, with proper referrences. I hope you can do the same with your assumptions.
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Written & Quoted from : Diva4U
Interpretation of the word "rafa" – to raise/to exalt:
In the same verse 3:54 use of two words "wafat" and "rafa" may have led you to a double jeopardy. On top of that you are under constant influence of Christian doctrine. As a result you simply believe that Jesus(pbuh) did not die and instead was raised alive in heaven. In doing so, you are actually believing the Christian faith and failing to see the true teaching of the Quran. Not only that, now you are making one verse of the Quran contradict another.
The meaning of the word is ‘to raise’, ‘to exalt’. In order to validate the Christian faith, first, you refuse to see ‘wafat’ as death, and then interpret ‘rafa’ as physical ascension. When these two incorrect interpretations are combined, you find that Jesus(pbuh) was raised to the heaven.
Let us examine the use of the word ‘rafa’ in the Quran. The word ‘rafa’ occurred many times in the Quran conveying a meaning of spiritual honor and exaltation. Please note carefully what Allah says in the verse. He is saying that Jesus(pbuh) will be raised towards Him and not towards Heaven. So the question of Jesus(pbuh) being alive in the Heaven can not arise, because he was not raised in the Heaven. In the literal context even if we think that he was raised bodily near Allah, question comes, where is Allah? Is He ensconced somewhere in the sky, in Heaven or in a throne like a king? Didn’t Allah say that He is omnipresent – in other words, He is present everywhere? Would you say that Allah is confined in a physical body towards which He raised Jesus(pbuh)? Please answer, how can Jesus(pbuh) be raised to sky or Heaven when Allah said he will be raised towards Him. And that Allah is present everywhere (2:115); Allah is nearer to man than his heart (8:24); Allah is nearer to man than his jugular vein (50:16).
If that be true, then Jesus(pbuh) could not have been raised physically and bodily in to the sky. If really he was needed to be raised bodily towards Allah, then he could very well stay in Jerusalem, yet be near Allah - because Allah is present everywhere and in Jerusalem too.
This drives home the true meaning of the word ‘rafa’ – exalt in honor and/or exalt in spiritual dignity. This verse tells us that while the Jews were planning to kill him, (he will not be killed, rather) Allah will cause him to die a natural death and sanctify him against the charges of the enemies. Once again, please notice the sentence: Ya Isa, inni mutawaffika WA rafi’uka ilaiya… that is ‘rafa’ will take place only after the ‘wafat’. ‘Rafa’ after death can not mean physical ascension, but only exaltation in rank. This is more implied when the words ‘I shall clear you of those who reject Faith’ are present with it. This shows that while Jews plotted heinous crime against him, and brought him utter disgrace and condemned him as a cheat and planned to put him to a shameful death on the cross etc. Allah will instead save him and exalt him in honor and dignity.
Since the use of the word 'rafa' raised Jesus(pbuh) alive, the use of the same word in case of other prophets must do the same thing! Ask yourself, if you know of any other prophet who was raised alive in the Heaven? None? What about Prophet Idris(pbuh)? Regarding Idris(pbuh) Allah says in Surah Maryam 19:57 as: And We raised him to an elevated state. (WA rafa’naa hu…). The use of ‘rafa’ here should prompt you to declare that Allah raised Idris(pbuh) in alive condition in the Heaven or at least to a place hanging high above. If we apply the same logic, in case of Jesus(pbuh), use of the word 'rafa' kept him alive for 2000 years; therefore the same use of the word 'rafa' in case of Idris(pbuh) must keep him alive for 2000 years or so. The problem now is about these two alive people in the Heaven – Jesus(pbuh) and Idris(pbuh). The Muslims already made stories and speculations that Jesus(pbuh) will descend from the Heaven in the later days, but what about Idris(pbuh)? Has Idris(pbuh) come down already or when is he going to descend or is he going to stay there perpetually?
The word ‘rafa’ was used in different places in the Quran to mean spiritual honor and exaltation. Let us see some of the examples:
Great Prophets like Muhammad(pbuh) are exalted.
43:32 …And We have raised some of them above others in rank. (…WA rafa’ na…)
94:4 And We have exalted for you your mention (…WA rafa’ NA…)
Prophet Ibrahim(pbuh) has been exalted by Allah.
6:84 ….We exalt in degrees whom We please (…narfa’u darazaa…)
Prophet Idris(pbuh) has been exalted by Allah.
19:57 And We raised him to an elevated state. (WA rafa’naa hu…)
Righteous servants of Allah are raised in degrees.
6:166 …and He raises some of you above the others in degrees…. (…WA rafa’ aa **
**ba’dakum…)
7:176 And had We wished We would invariably exalted him; …. (…rafa’naa hu….) **
**56:3 It will abase it will exalt (…rafi’aah…)
All good deeds are raised towards Allah.
35:10 …all pure speech and all good deed, --He exalts it…. (…yarfa’uhu. …)
House of pious Muslims are raised high by Allah.
24:36 in (certain) houses which Allah has permitted to be raised up… (…an turfa’a WA yuzkara…)
From this discussion we see that no where the use of ‘rafa’ meant physical ascension. However, in 3:54 verse, you would interpret physical ascension just to validate the Christian faith. Whereas, if we honestly translate the word 'wafat' as death, then 'rafa' after death cannot mean physical ascension, rather exaltation in honor.
The tendency of Muslims is to destroy the teaching of the Quran only to validate the Christian dogma. Believe it or not, many Muslims approach the Quran like hypocrites – believe part of it and reject part of it. Muslims don’t want to believe in the total Quran. When this is pointed out to you, your defensive answers are:
all Muslims believe Jesus(pbuh) was raised alive, so I also believe it (I don’t care what the Quran says);
if I believe Jesus(pbuh) was not raised alive, then I become Qadiani, and I don't want to be a Qadiani;
my forefathers believed Jesus(pbuh) was raised alive, were they wrong? I would rather follow my forefathers (instead of following the teaching of Quran).
I faced similar dilemma when I was approaching the truth. Eventually I was able to reconcile the verses of the Quran and not make one verse contradict another. I was able to come out of the influence of Christian faith in Islam and find out the true meanings.
With this let us revisit two verses from Surah Ale Imran, 3:53-54.
3:53 And they made plots and Allah made His plans. And Allah is the most Excellent of the plan-makers.
3:54 Behold! Allah said: ‘O Isa! I shall cause you to die and I shall exalt you towards me and I shall clear you of those who reject Faith, and I am going to make those who follow you above those who reject Faith - until the day of Awakening. Then towards me is your return so that I shall decide among you as to that in which you used to differ.
In case of each prophets, Allah made plans against plots made by oppressors. This is the practice of Allah to protect His messengers at the time of aggression of enemies. Allah protected Musa, Ibrahim, Yusuf, Lut, Muhammad (pbu them) to name a few. In case of Jesus(pbuh) snatching him away from the enemies and lifting him alive in the Heaven can not be called a subtle and better plan of Allah when neither was it in the power of Jews nor in the power of anybody to counter it. In fact a better and subtle plan can be designed against another plan when it is contrived in a parallel manner.
Re: Questions:Gog &Magog/Ad Dajjal/Khidr
the bit about Hazrat Ilyas is news to me..some background would help....the beast is also referred to in Christian text i believe as are the second coming of Hazrat Isa and Gog and Magog...
In reply to Frozen Fire’s post
Reference: http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00002162.aspx
Q. A new translation of the meaning of the Qur’an named “The Holy Qur’an” by Allamah Nooruddin is being sold in Islamic book stores in America.On page 62-B of the glossary, while explaining the arabic word rafa’a, the translator says that "Of course, no one supposes that in these places raf’a means raising the body to the heavens. In fact when the raf’a of a person is spoken of as being to or toward God the meaning is invariably his spiritual elevation. (Lisan al Arab by Ibn Manzur, Taj al Arus by murtadza Husaini, Murfadat fi Gharaib al Qur’an, Sahih Al-Bukhari). Jesus himself has denied the possibility of his rising physically to heaven. Says he, “And no man has ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”
What is the view of the 'ulama of ahl-as-sunnah wal-jama’ah on the raising up of Isa (as)? Was it physical or was it spiritual? Is there any difference of opinion on this?
Wa `alaykum as-Salam:
- There is no difference of opinion among the Ulema of reports and of Tafsir that
Isa, upon him peace, was raised to heaven with his material body as narrated from IbnAbbas by al-Tabari and from Qatada by Ibn Sa`d and is now alive with his body in the first heaven just as Idris is now alive with his body in the fourth although there is divergence concerning the latter, upon our Prophet and them blessings and peace.
Since it matters to “Christian Muslims,”(*) we may add that the physical ascension of `Isa is also the belief of Christians in the near-totality or totality of their sects, and they know no grave nor claim any grave for him anywhere, upon him peace, other than the so-called Holy Sepulcher which they say he vacated after three days.
(*) “Christian Muslims”: Purported Muslims who attempt to re-formulate Islam according to Christian beliefs and methodology.
References:
Ibn Sa`d, Tabaqat (1:53).
Al-Tabari, Tarikh (1:495).
Al-Baghawi, Tafsir (3:200).
Ibn Taymiyya, Fatawa (4:322-323).
Ibn Kathir, Bidaya (6:291).
Ibn Hajar, Fath al-Bari (7:209), Talkhis al-Habir (3:214).
Azim Abadi, Awn al-Ma`bud (11:307, 11:311-313).
- Further, it is mass-transmitted (mutawatir) that
Isa will descend again from the heaven both body and soul, and this can only be after he had been raised there body and soul, upon him peace. In fact, the hadith of his descent in the two Sahihs mentions that his head will be dripping with water. This is a reference to (a) the presence of a physical body and (b) the suspension of time for him since his head was dripping with water just before he was raised up, as narrated from IbnAbbas by al-Tabari, Ibn Abi Hatim, al-Nasa’i, and Ibn Abi Shayba with a chain meeting the criterion of Imam Muslim according to Ibn Kathir.
References:
Ibn Abi Shayba (6:339).
Al-Nasa’i, al-Sunan al-Kubra (6:489).
Al-Tabari, Tafsir (28:92).
Abu Ghudda in Anwar Shah Kashmiri, al-Tasrih (p. 116-117).
Ibn Kathir, Bidaya (2:92), Tafsir (1:366, 1:574-575, 4:363).
Ibn Taymiyya, Fatawa (4:322-323).
Al-Ghumari, `Aqidat Ahl al-Islam (p. 25-37).
As for those that say "Of course, no one supposes that in these places [of the Qur’an] rafaa means raising the body to the heavens" - if they mean Isa, upon him be peace, then they are people of ignorance upon innovation upon corruption. This is confirmed by the fact that they not only dare reject mutawatir Islamic doctrine but do so on an Israelite basis. Islam is not so poor that it need rely on abrogated and corrupted scriptures when it has the Furqan.
Was-Salam.
Hajj Gibril