was there anything like "he touched and the patient was healed" ? "he touched and blind was un-blinded" ? divide "moon" into halves? "return SUN back to some position" ?
any SOLID prophecy? (not one with "deep meaning") ??
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Let me point out to you the following verse from Quran: They (also) said: "Allah took our promise not to believe in a messenger unless he showed us a sacrifice consumed by Fire (from heaven)." Say: "There came to you messengers before me, with clear Signs and even with what ye ask for: why then did ye slay them, if ye speak the truth? (3:183)
So, its customary for those who object to keep objecting even if clear cut signs are given to them.
Would you believe, me or the books I will give refrence from, if I tell you some of the solid prophecies & signs? I doubt it seriously!
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*He says he will die in MAKKAH, now dying meaning dying, death, not living but in Qadianiyaat it means gaining victory... anyway lets see where this goes with AHmeedjee answering my reply... *
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I think you don't read my posts clearly. Hazrat Ahmad (as) himself explained the revelation, in his lifetime, how he understood the words. It was not interpreted by a third party afterwards.
If you don't have any solid argument then please move forward and stop repeating what you have stated earlier.
I believe, that verse was revealed in KORAAN, same koraan which was revealed on MOhammad(saw), the last messenger that Koraan talks about. The same Koraan which says ISLAM is complete(1400 years ago) and Muslims ought to follow that Islam revealed on MOhammad(saw). The same Koraan which asks us to OBEY Mohammad(saw) so we may not go astray and be one of the believers, right?How does that fit in for Qadianis and Mirza Qadiani as proof of authencity?
Why don’t you go ahead with the last part of my reply. And I do read your posts very carefully, and I will have solid argument, so far I did, you just don’t want to discuss that.
[quote] How does that fit in for Qadianis and Mirza Qadiani as proof of authencity?
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Because he, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadiyan (as), the Promised Messiah & Mehdi, has achieved all his blessings from Allah, by following the footsteps of his Master and beloved Hazoor Muhammad-e-Mustafa (saw), to whom the Quran was revealed.
Quran is not a narration or a story book that can be limited to one instance, nor it’s a teaching that is limited to one state or meaning. Its an open book or truth, which is guidance for people who are to come till Allah keeps this world, not just for those who were present at the time of AnHazoor (saw)
Quran’s each & every verse can be used to not only prove the facts of AnHazoor (saw)** 'authenticity' **but the authenticity of his servant, and his servant's servant!
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Why don't you go ahead with the last part of my reply. And I do read your posts very carefully, and I will have solid argument, so far I did, you just don't want to discuss that.
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Please point out to me what is your last question. So I may try to answer it ...
Most probably the reult will be what you just said but I can't give up just by 'assuming' that they will never understand. Who am I to judge their emotion or understanding?
I can only walk away if they use foul language or mockery, or accept like Sholay did that their intentions are nothing more than just to argue. :) You will see that I will once they do clear up their intentions, ok?
Those are your words my friend, very good looking. But what you are doing is following conjectures, nothing else. Provide some references to your claim(s) and some authentic proof that what you wrote is whats in the book. Because, we do not want to take your words for it, they have no weight.
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Originally posted by ahmadjee:
**Changez & Basit:
Let me point out to you the following verse from Quran:
They (also) said: "Allah took our promise not to believe in a messenger unless he showed us a sacrifice consumed by Fire (from heaven)." Say: "There came to you messengers before me, with clear Signs and even with what ye ask for: why then did ye slay them, if ye speak the truth? (3:183)
So, its customary for those who object to keep objecting even if clear cut signs are given to them.
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yes, this ayat applies to THOSE who "REJECTED" messengers before. are you saying we 'rejected' Mohammed PBUH? NO, so show us anything else, this ayat does not apply to us, it may apply to Christians or Jews (who rejected Prophet Mohammed PBUH).
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Would you believe, me or the books I will give refrence from, if I tell you some of the solid prophecies & signs? I doubt it seriously!**
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whether I beleive it or not, its my decision, Allah SWT in Quran told Prophet Mohammed PBUH to 'invite' pagans towards Allah SWT whether they accepted or not, right? so for you we may be pagans why are you hesitating in bringing forth the 'solid' prophecies or 'perfect' signs?