Questions about Women and Islam.

I was reading this book Women In Islam it said that women can’t be in high positions of authority.. but he didnt say why… can someone explain (please quote).

Then is says women are the property of men yet men and women are equal.. huh??? How can master and property be equal?

What about working women? The book repeats over and over that women are to take care of the home but what about women who have to work to help hubby support the family? Does the following saying still hold true

women who imitate men are cursed…

finally, men that treat women badly are ‘unfortunate’ and all but how are women to react to abusive men? divorce is frowned upon.. so what options do women have?

Serious replies please and as much back up as possible form acredible sources.

Thanks!
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You don't want to open this Pandora's box. Trust me. :)

I want to know.. :)

no you don't.. the resident Maulvis like it as the book says.

sad though... the book was written by a Mullah tooo..

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I want to know.. :)
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Well, then good luck getting answers that make sense :) (Get ready for obfuscation though.)

PA,

What type of Islam do you follow?

Plz dont say:

"I follow just the Quran and the Sunnah"-cos its obviously you dont.

"I am a Sunni"-its obvious your views are no way clsoe to Sunni aqeeda.

"There is no need for "types""-thats BS too. We are told to follow one of the learned imams of the Sunni tariqah, not make our own assumptions unless we are a mujtahid, which your not.

asalamualikum Muniya !!:slight_smile: Let me attempt to clarify some of your questions to the best of my ability, though someone else can and probably will do a better job of it.. my answers only reflect my limited knowledge.

lets do it point by point ..

((Then is says women are the property of men yet men and women are equal.. huh??? How can master and property be equal?))

PROPERTY in which sense ?? As in a materialistic property such as my car which I can do whatever I wish with?? I think the correct word is ‘responsibility’.. The guy is ‘responsible’ for his family, wife, kids etc, and lets just keep in mind that there CAN ONLY BE ONE leader of the household, it can never be a 50/50 partnership..OFCOURSE if he has any sense in his head,he’ll make sure he consults and listens to and does things with mutual agreement, but the final decisions rests with the husband as long as what he is doing is not against islam wallahualim:)

and ALLAH says in the QURAN in Surah an-Nisa: “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means”

PLEASE try to understand that a LOT OF US have been brought up with pre-concieved notions of ‘equality’, we will have to put those aside and look at how islam deals justly with both men and women.

((What about working women? ))

Lets have it clear that the fitrah of a woman is in her house, and her husband should try to NEVER put her in a position where she is forced to work..men are physically more capable to work outside and this point does NOT EVEN require debate!!

PLEASE try to understand that if both the husband and wife are working, who in the world is going to be responsible for the kids??? THE same kids who’ll be their future??? this is where the wife is much better- at raising the kids!! she should try and concentrate her abilities there

HOWEVER, if the women is forced to work because of necessity..thats a different scenario altogether…she could try and find a job where she can work in a way which doesn’t force her to do things which’re against islam etc, but this matter requires discussion with someone of greater knowledge, maybe you could try speaking to some sisters in your area:)

((finally, men that treat women badly are ‘unfortunate’ and all but how are women to react to abusive men? divorce is frowned upon.. so what options do women have? ))

AGAIN, this is dealt with in the QURAN ..first off the woman should try and find a spouse who will not be abuse however if the couple are going through a ‘lean’ period or anythign.

an-Nisa:35 - If ye fear a breach between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his family, and the other from hers; if they wish for peace, Allah will cause their reconciliation: For Allah hath full knowledge, and is acquainted with all things.

so basically the families should get together and try and resolve the issue as best as they can..also, if the women fears cruelty on part of her husband, there is no harm if they decide to part since they can not stay together in peace. other than divorce I’m not sure so someone else might be able to help you out there,

ps))) all those who claim that women are somehow inferior need to get a reality check done !! Us guys are supposed to work, study & provide for our families and be gentle in our interactions with them, NOT easy i tell ya!! :bummer: The PROPHET sallalhu ale`he wasallam said, and the best among you are those who’re best to your families, so abusive husbands are definitely OUT !!

i’m linking some pages to you which you might want to read if you get the time:)

LINKS<<1,2,3,4

hope that helps,I’m hoping someone else would respond too as I feel my answers haven’t really answered your questions

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Ill try to give breif answers to some of ur questions.

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Then is says women are the property of men yet men and women are equal.. huh??? How can master and property be equal?

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Men are said to have a degree of "advantage" over women. The meaning is that they are the formal head of a family (004.034). An often used analogy is that you e.g. in a car you have one driver. Two drivers with two steeringswheels wouldnt work. Why? Cuz God wanted it this way.

Men arent equal with women. More precisly women have certain rights over men, and men have certain rights over women. (couldnt find the verse explictly stating this)

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women who imitate men are cursed...

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Applies to e.g. clothing, or appearence like short boy-cut hair etc. The same rule applies for men. (a well-known hadith). Have read the same hadith with the word resemble instead of imitate.

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finally, men that treat women badly are 'unfortunate' and all but how are women to react to abusive men? divorce is frowned upon.. so what options do women have?

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Abuse is a VERY valid reason to divorce when reconsilitation attempts have failed. It is her right granted to her by Islam itself. If people frown upon it, then its more social/cultural phenomenon. You may find this on good websites as www.islam.org, www.themodernreligion.com etc.

And Allah Knows Best.

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I think you should ask ur question at this site
www.ask-imam.com and also try http://al-islam.com
hop ethis might solve ur problem. and also try to ask this question with ur local Imams or go to any Dar-ull-olooms and ask a Mufti sahib or an Aalim. Thanks

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See Muniya, I told you not to expect any answers (other than obfuscation) because none exist.

:eek: sachi?

Islam is for women what facism is for freedom of opinion.

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Islam is for women what facism is for freedom of opinion.
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Sad but true. I am just waiting for the next fundo to come here and tell us how it is really the American and European women who are suppressed and blah blah blah (no matter that American women are now CEOs, investment bankers, and Senators and no longer at the mercy of abusive men).

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Sad but true. I am just waiting for the next fundo to come here and tell us how it is really the American and European women who are suppressed and blah blah blah (no matter that American women are now CEOs, investment bankers, and Senators and no longer at the mercy of abusive men).
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And a LOT of them are nude/semi-nude models used to sell everything between toilet paper and luxury cars. Their rights are just so well-kept in x-rated movies. Every other women has been exposed to sexually related assaults, verbally or physically. Anorexia and Bulimia are common in every second teen girl. They feel a compulsion to wear modern (i.e. revealing) clothes which are "in", resulting in the things mentioned above.

Teenage pregnancies leaving the girl on its own, and the coming child without a father is getting more and more common.

Women rights? Its not gold all that glitters. Beneath the surface, the story is a bit different.

Bangladesh, Pakistan and Indoesia (or Malaysia) have all had muslim FEMALE Prime Ministers and Presidents.

Females have reserved seets in the Pakistani Parliament. Our educational minister is a female, namely Zubeda Jalaal.

I really dont think women rights should be measured by how many famale CEOs on has:

  1. Its quality that counts. Not quantity necasserily
  2. Women are not EQUAL to men, as in identical. They have different needs, desires etc. Thus they should have different duties and tasks in society.

Im so tired of re-iterating this into eternity.

Islam is the best way to ensure human rights in general.

:)

My comment was partially toungue in cheek. I just finished a report on Islam's progressive traditions.

islam is the way of life which has been prescribed for us by Allah Almighty. Everything he has made lawful and unlawful for us is ultimately what is best for us and what is not. No body can surpass His will and wisdom.