Questions about Women and Islam.

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*Originally posted by aMiGo: *

And a LOT of them are nude/semi-nude models used to sell everything between toilet paper and luxury cars. Their rights are just so well-kept in x-rated movies. Every other women has been exposed to sexually related assaults, verbally or physically. Anorexia and Bulimia are common in every second teen girl. They feel a compulsion to wear modern (i.e. revealing) clothes which are "in", resulting in the things mentioned above.

Teenage pregnancies leaving the girl on its own, and the coming child without a father is getting more and more common.

Women rights? Its not gold all that glitters. Beneath the surface, the story is a bit different.

Bangladesh, Pakistan and Indoesia (or Malaysia) have all had muslim FEMALE Prime Ministers and Presidents.

Females have reserved seets in the Pakistani Parliament. Our educational minister is a female, namely Zubeda Jalaal.

I really dont think women rights should be measured by how many famale CEOs on has:

  1. Its quality that counts. Not quantity necasserily
  2. Women are not EQUAL to men, as in identical. They have different needs, desires etc. Thus they should have different duties and tasks in society.

Im so tired of re-iterating this into eternity.

Islam is the best way to ensure human rights in general.

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Yes, go tell that to the Saudi women are not even allowed to drive.

Please tell that to the women (read 2nd class citizens) of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Violence Against Women Continues: Pakistan
from Interact, Summer, 2002

For years, women in Pakistan have been denied the enjoyment of a whole range of rights - economic, social, civil and political. Women are denied not only the right to education, but also the right to decide matters relating to their marriage and divorce. Those denied these rights are more likely to be deprived of the right to legal redress. Often abuses are compounded: poor girls and women are trafficked and subject to forced marriage, forced prostitution or exploitative work situations such as bonded labor. These deprivations are manifestations of discrimination against women and girls in Pakistan.

Domestic violence and physical abuse, which includes rape, acid throwing, burning, and “honor” killings is still widespread in Pakistan. Acid-throwing is on the increase. The government has done little to restrict the sale of acid or to punish those who use it to injure women. “Honor” killings continue to be reported daily. Pakistan is also both a country of origin and a transit country for the trafficking of women for domestic labor, forced marriage and prostitution. This form of slavery is organized by crime networks that span South Asia. Some women, both local and trafficked, are killed if they refuse to earn money in prostitution. Forced marriage of young girls continues to be reported and while slavery is illegal in Pakistan, girls and women continue to be traded to settle debts or conflicts. The open sale of girls and women in markets is reported in underdeveloped areas such as parts of Balochistan.

Physical abuse of women in custody continues to be rife in Pakistan. Despite promises of police reform, police continue to use torture to intimidate, harass and humiliate detainees to extract money or information.

Since publishing our 1999 report, Pakistan: Violence against Women in the Name of Honor", very few positive changes have taken place for women’s rights and the government in Pakistan still by and large fails to provide adequate protection for women against abuses in the custody of the state and in the family and community. In fact, the number of victims of violence appears to have risen. There is a paucity of legal remedies for women fleeing honor killing and other domestic violence, a lack of safe houses for women, or even couples at risk, an absence of reliable mediation mechanisms to interceded with parents who do not understand or accept women’s rights to freedom of choice in marriage, and an absence of reliable and prompt protection by the state.

While some progress has no doubt been made in bringing the issue of violence against women into the open, much remains to be done. Women’s awareness of their rights, thanks mainly to the dedicated efforts of Pakistani women’s rights groups, along with women’s greater participation in the workforce and resulting exposure to the human rights movement, appears to have somewhat increased. However, the killers of Samia Sarwar (see AIUSA women’s web page at www.amnestyusa.org/women) and many others remain at large. The Parliamentary act that was supposed to explicitly outlaw “honor” crimes did not pass. In one survey by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, it was reported that in 2000, almost 90 percent of women including those educated to the graduate level, did not realize they had any rights at all, such as those of divorce. 345

Amnesty International calls on the government of Pakistan to clearly, consistently and publicly condemn, prohibit investigate and punish all acts of violence against women whether by a government agent or private individual.

Amnesty

We are talking abt Islam, not the Saudi Interpretation of it.

Violence, killings of women or other type of subduing of women are common in the west too. It has to do with ignorance. Not Islam.

Thank You all for you attempts to answer me. It was appreciated!

what about my question? :frowning:

Re: Questions about Women and Islam.

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*Originally posted by ~MuNiYa~: *
I was reading this book Women In Islam it said that women can't be in high positions of authority.. but he didnt say why.... can someone explain (please quote).

Then is says women are the property of men yet men and women are equal.. huh??? How can master and property be equal?

What about working women? The book repeats over and over that women are to take care of the home but what about women who have to work to help hubby support the family? Does the following saying still hold true

women who imitate men are cursed...

finally, men that treat women badly are 'unfortunate' and all but how are women to react to abusive men? divorce is frowned upon.. so what options do women have?

Serious replies please and as much back up as possible form acredible sources.

Thanks!
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~MuNiya it depends on what sect you belomgs to. It vary between differnet school of thoughts. But one thing is sure. no where in Quran, Hadith or Sunnah, women was made "property" for men. I dont have answer to question no.1 but I know women can be head of the state and in History Muslim women were head of the state.

As far as divorce is concern, The Holy Prophet (PBUH) did not like the divorce but "Kullah" (women seeking seperation from men) is allowed. I know a hadith in which women took asked Holy Prophet that she want to take seperation from her husband. Holy Porphet enquire Is he not Good Looking? She said No, He then asked, Is He not earning enough to feed you, She said NO, then He ask, Is your Husband has bad habbits?, She said NO, Then Holy Prophet asked why she wants to take seprations, She replied her husband have all the qualities but we are not compatible and have differnet habbits. Holy Porphet (PBUH) approved her request for seperation.

So if husband is abusive, women have choice to stay with him or file for seperation.

I tried to answer your question to best of my knowledge. But every situation is differnet should be addressed differently.

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*Originally posted by Seminole: *

Please tell that to the women (read 2nd class citizens) of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Violence Against Women Continues: Pakistan
from Interact, Summer, 2002 .....
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Lets not make it a "India is worse", "Pakistan is worse" show please. Whatever is happening in Pakistan is because of lack of religion, out of culture which has imported lots of stuff from Hinduism and surrounding cultures/religions. "Honor killing" is not suggested by Islam, I hope you understand that.

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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
Lets not make it a "India is worse", "Pakistan is worse" show please. Whatever is happening in Pakistan is because of lack of religion, out of culture which has imported lots of stuff from Hinduism and surrounding cultures/religions. "Honor killing" is not suggested by Islam, I hope you understand that.
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We have "The Islamic" Republic of Pakistan, where for the past 50 years Muslims have had a chance to implement their ideal society away from the Hindus. Who else is there to represent Muslim treatment of women? The Islamic Taliban government? The ayatollahs of Iran? The sharia government of Nigeria? Saudi Arabia, keepers of the Holy Places? Please enlighten me as to where after 1400 years of Islam the treatment of women is representative of what Islam preaches because I sincerely do not know.

i agree with..&Talhaa
i had the same reply