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Threaten? O bhai Allah :swt: is advising the Holy Prophet :saw: and letting the women know that if the Holy Prophet :saw: is upset with them he has the right to divorce them…

Where did threaten come in?

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Why do people love to throw dirt on the prophet's wives? They were probably far better people than any of these posters makin these weird questions, and worthy of all our respect 'coz they were related to the Prophet in such an intimate way. The rest of the complexities, the specific happenings in their lives were the Prophet and the wives' own personal business and shouldn't have any impact on their position and respect which they so truly deserve.

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Alright let us assume you are correct and its only a reminder, in which case Allah would have stopped at that, why did the ayat go on to saying that in exchange Allah will give wives that are better, that are beleivers?

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^^

In other words, women who will fill the void left by them who will be like themselves if not better...

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Why do people love to throw dirt on the prophet's wives? They were probably far better people than any of these posters makin these weird questions, and worthy of all our respect 'coz they were related to the Prophet in such an intimate way. The rest of the complexities, the specific happenings in their lives were the Prophet and the wives' own personal business and shouldn't have any impact on their position and respect which they so truly deserve.

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Wrong reasoning buddy, do some research in quran and see what it says about the wives of propeht noh and loot, who were also related to the propehts in the same intimate way.

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^ or would you follow the example of Prophet(saw) wives if they deviated from Allah's and his commands?

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When you take the car in and remind (as you consider it a reminder) your dealersip that you have the right to return your car (so that the dealership is made aware that if they don't fix the problem you mgiht return it) , would you mention the good qualities of your car, or count the bad ones.

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Another wrong reasoning…Bibi Aasiya was the wife of the vile and villainous Pharoah yet it was her that saved Musa :as: and for whom Allah :swt: has the highest regards…Like I said, nisbat, relations and kinship are nothing in Islam…

Look at the children of Nuh :as:…One of his own sons was overtaken by the flood because of his actions…If kinship to Prophets (pbut) was of any value, wouldn’t Allah :swt: have saved him?

And if Ayesha :razi: was not a believing, righteous woman, why would Allah :swt: clear her of any wrongdoing in the Quran? The Holy Prophet :saw: was going to divorce her, but it was Allah :swt: who cleared her making sure that she remained the mother of the believers…

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If you got my point in the first place you wouldn’t be saying wrong reasoning, the point is it doesn’t matter even if you have an intimate relationship with a prophet (as opposed to what stalker claimed in his post), and I used the example of prophet nooh’s wife, cos if we were suppose to respect the wives of prophets because they had intimate relationship with them, then what about porpeht noohs wife??

Now can you explain agian how my reasoning is wrong?? Since you just proved my point with another example . Maybe you should send this post to Stalker instead.

Second if I am accused of two crimes and the courts find me not guilty in one, does it automaticllay means that I am not guilty in the other one as well.

You might get confused with this one as well, hence let me clarify it for you, I am referring to Bibi Ayesha’ and Hfza, you claim Allah clared of her wrong doing, but failed to mentioned where in quran, I am aware of what you have in mind but do some research on those ayat as well, the wrong doing you are reffereing to is not related to the ayat I mentioned in my question.

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Your query has been answered.

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) never divorced either one. What seems to be the problem now? He (SAW) was given an option by Allah (SWT), but he (SAW) chose not to.

What is the trouble now?

You are clearly looking to rile up Sunni Muslims from what I can gather.

I have posted material from Tafsir Ibn Kathir. You should read that, as it should assist in answering your query.

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The query never was whether he divorced anyone? You know what the orignal question was.

I have tried to be as decent as I can be, I orignally did not mention Bibi Ayesha and Bibi Hfza name wihtouth first using the word "BIBI" but when I saw that was the way how other mentioned their names I started using the same terminology, I might have missed it once or twice again, which I am not even sure of (just guessing) but I never intended to rile up anyone.

There are discussions going on about everything else in this forum, and when people don't agree with each other, or don't understand each other they keep posting back and forth. I thought I was doing the same. I wonder why in my case its considered an attempt to rile up sunni muslims.

I might be totally mistaken in my point of view, but I am not convinced yet and hence I kept positing in this thread.

For people who actually attempted to answer my question let me put it in a different way.

Say if at my job I am not a hard worker, not committed, not punctual, not a team player and my boss calls me for a metting and says that if he were to fire me (consider it a threat or a friendly reminder, your choice) he would instead hire someone who is a hard worker, committed and punctual. This means he is complaining about my lack of hard work, committment and punctuality. Correct??

But If I had all the traits I mentioned above but was lacking in skills required for my duty, would my boss call me in that meeting and say if he were to fire me, he would hire instead someone whos is a hard worker( even though I am a hard worker myself) committed (even though I am committed as well......

Now you can draw the parallells between this question and the orignal question I posted.

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Curious One, put aside the anaologies and post your query in the simplest terms possible.

You stated a verse and mentioned Aisha (RA) and Hafsa (RA). From what I read in Tafsir ibn Kathir, yes, the verse was more or less about the two of them and Allahu aalim. Allah (SWT) gave Muhammad (SAW) an option to either keep them or to divorce them. He (SAW) kept them and did not divorce them.

What is it that you fail to understand and what is it about your logic that you're concnered about?

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probably? They were much better then any woman in their time and in ours...no probably about it. It's not simply because they were the wives of the Prophet (SAW) it's because the Prophet (SAW) themselves gave them so much respect and admiration because of the way they were.

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What happened in caliphate of Usman (Uthman for you)?

Don’t shias also hate Uthman for being a conspirator against Ali so technically she would be good as enemy of my enemy is my friend :confused:

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I dont get this argument...our beloved Prophet Muhammed (SAW) forgave them...so who are we to think of them as "traitors" or anything negative for that matter? If HE (SAW) is capable of forgiveness...shia's should be as well.

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Please look up old threads on this topic. Lets not start it in here, as it’ll turn the topic into a different direction. Besides, I bet it’s been beaten to death in the past.

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I have tried my best to make people understand, what my question was but everybody seems to be arguing about how Rasool Allah :as: never divorced and how he forgave.

I agree with all that, my only question is in quran it says God, in exchange, will give wives that are beleivers. It means (again unless I go into detail explanation you might get the wrong impression about my quesitons so pls refer to orignal question) that the wives being disucssed in this ayat were non believers.

Whether Rasool Allah divorced them or not, forgave them or not, the fact remains that God called them non beleivers.

I live in the west and have friends that are kafirs, if they do something to hurt me, and I call them kafirs and later on forgive them for what they did, it won’t change the fact that I still believe that they are kafirs.

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I’ve never heard something so ridiculous about Aisha (RA) and Hafsa (RA) ever before. As per your logic now, Allah (SWT) called the two ‘unbelievers’ and Prophet Muhammad (SAW) decided not to divorce the two ‘unbelievers’.Bravo. :k:

I’ll let someone else handle this query of yours I suppose.

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So according to your standard, prophet Nooh and Propeht Loot must have divorced their wives right? Guess what they didn’t.