Question about Punjabis

Maybe this isn’t the best place to post the question since most of the people here are Paki but u may know this.

One of my Hindu Indian friends had a date with a Punjabi guy the other day. So I asked her if the guy was Hindu or Sikh and she looks at me and repeats he’s Punjabi. So I tell her, Punjab is a region and the people of that region are either muslim, hindu, or sikh, these people have a certain culture which transcends the religious differences. The term “punjabi” doesn’t tell us the religion.

She argued that it does saying “punjabi” is a caste, just as “sindhi”. She wouldn’t acknowledge the fact that there are Punjabi muslim and sikhs, she said they would be termed as muslim and sikh and Punjabi means that person is hindu.

This girl may have been born and raised in India but it just doesn’t sound right. What’s your take on this?

I think that girl is mistaken, from what i know, Punjab is a province in both india and Pakistan, and when someone says they are punjabi they could be any of the three major religions in the sub-continent. for example im a punjabi muslim from lahore and my sikh friends are from the indian side of punjab. most sikhs are concentrated in that side of india, and the usual misconception over here where im from is when someone says they are punjabi ppl assume they mean sikh. but yeah your right "punjabi" can be culture,language and/or region, but it has nothing to do with religion.

LOL

Yes ur friend is absolutely wrong... I am punjabi ..
Punjabi is a person living in the area of punjab and adopts its culture.. may dunno why regard sikhs as punjabis..sikhism is not a very old religious movement but punjabis can trace themselves to long time back.. majority of punjabis r muslims.. and rest r sikhs and hindus.. many sikhs and muslims became muslms .. most of classical punjabi language r muslims lie Bulley Shah, Waris Shah.

Hello.
Your freind did-nt mentiion pakistani or indian punjabi (punjab translates into five rivers). if it were pakistani punjabi then more then likely he was a muslim. if indian then sikh or hindu.

Lets discuss in Culture

But Punjabis are not true Muslims..they just try to act like they are. Sindhis OTOH have no such hangup.

Only true Muslims in Pakistan are Pushtuns and some Muhajirs.

Just kidding!

..ur ok? who r u

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If you can Bhangra = then you are Punajbi

We cant tell you this way. Pls post her pic, we might understand by seeing her.

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well in india the people esp from bombay ,maharashtra and esp from south india dont know much about the punjabis.hindus muslims or sikhs
they refer to sikhs as sardars and hindu punjabis as punjabis and they dont even know that there is something called punjabi muslim cause there are hardly any muslims in indian punjab cause most of them were slaughtered and others migrated to pak
and you people will be surprised that most of the indians donot know that there are so many different languages and cultures in pak
they belive pakistanis are all same .i wish it were true

i'm glad it isn't true. Pakistan would be boring if everyone was the same.

We cant tell you this way. Pls post her pic, we might understand by seeing her.

i wonder who hacked Pathwari's account and posting under his nick....Roman/Ahmadi Saab/Chan ji??

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Originally posted by SHAHZAD612:
If you can Bhangra = then you are Punajbi
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lol good call!

Thanks all for your replies…Kabir, your answer makes the most sense of her stubborn behavior the other day. My friend is from bombay and insisted the Sikh punjabis were Sikh and like u said, she didn’t even know that there are muslim punjabis.

Pathwari,
Posting her picture at gupshup won’t help. You won’t understand her it’ll just confuse you even more

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People from Sialkot are called Punjabis.
Rest are all foreigners.

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Originally posted by Akif:
People from Sialkot are called Punjabis.
Rest are all foreigners.

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correction .. Punjabis from Sialkot are called smelly Punjabis... dumb looking punjabis are called indian punjabis...punjabis with cloth-market on thier head are called Sikh-punjabis .. good looking punjabis are called Pakistani Punjabis.. although the one from Sialkot are still smelly but good looks are the virtue of pak-punjab..


Hey one more thing
These things are hard to explain
For some it seems strange... to swallow
The frontier of our minds
Is the last place we find
But maybe the first place we should go

outside punjab, there are mixed opinions on punjabis. some consider punjabis very shallow people trying to show wealth (if he doesnt have, he will at least tell stories of his grandpa having few hundred acres before partition and some 3 people living in house with 20 rooms, maybe 20 people were living in house with 3 rooms, but who can check) delhi is now taken over by punjabis and muslims of lucknow and all that 'cultured' area lament on death of delhi culture.

of course, my close encounters with punjabis have rather been pleasant. punjabi women (below 25) are some of best looking women in world. somehow they tend to add weight quickly. very interesting company, actually. somehow they tend to have a complex that punjab has a very rustic culture. in pune, when they would see advertisement of clasical music or dane, they would say comment that it will never interest punjabis. (in fact, some of great singers have been punjabis, so it is not true) Punjabi families give lot of freedom to women, just like bengali families and in cross-state marriages, u often see women of these states.

this is my survey of punjabis.

p.s. about yasmine's question, arranged inter-caste marriages are not uncommon in indian punjab.

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There are many misconceptions like Jatts are only sikhs, Punjabis are only Sikhs and Muslims(someone was surprised to know that there are Hindu Punjabis), Punjabis are one race...Fact is that Punjabis belong to many religions...Sikhism, Hinduism, Islam, Ahmadiyas and even some Christians. Further in these groups you will find common castes and tribes..like Jatt Sikhs, Jatt Muslims and Jatt Hindus etc. Further all of them have common last names..Ghumans,Randhawas, Bhattis,Janjuas, Tiwanas etc.....most of the Sikh last names are also shared by Muslims and Hindus although most muslims don't use their tribal last names but take a Islamic last name instead...but if you ask their elders they know their real last names.

Whole of north India, Pakistan and Afghanistan has seen more turbulence than any other part of the sub-continent...that has changed the culture and nature of people in this area forever....for good or bad.

Most Punjabis are fair colored compared to South India...particularly Punjabi Brahmins, Khatris, and most Jatt tribes. Further, there are Kashmiris who have been living in Punjab for long time and are mainly fairer than their southren neighbours.

Color of skin is not an achievement like other things, language, culture, wealth etc. It only shows the differentiation from racial point of view.

In general the statement that Pakistani Punjabis are better looking than Indians is true only compared to South and East India..... I have not seen this difference from their couterparts in India. In fact in my life experience most handsome are Punjabi Hindu guys and Sikh and Muslim girls....sadly both these groups gain weight like water mellons once they cross 25 yr age.

Again no statement applies to all Punjabis in general...this is once of the most mixed lot of people genetically.

Here is a news clip. Punjabis have an active social and political life inside and outside of Punjab..wherever they go. Here is one more example.

Paritosh Parasher in Sydney

A New Zealander of Indian origin has been re-elected mayor of Dunedin for a third term.

Of all the 74 mayoral elections held in New Zealand last week, Punjab-bred Sukhi Turner's win over her rival Richard Walls is being considered one of the most convincing.

Expectations of the re-election of Sukhi, married to legendary former New Zealand cricket captain Glenn Turner, were so high that a number of her potential opponents withdrew their election papers as soon as she announced her intention to seek a third term.

The rush to exit the mayoral race left seven in the field, but only two, including Turner, were considered serious contenders.

According to local media reports, Dunedinites too considered the re-election of their feisty mayor a foregone conclusion and were more interested in other mayoral elections than in their own city.

Turner, mother of two children, was first elected a councillor of Dunedin in 1992. Her first election as mayor of the city came three years later and again in 1998.

Over the years, Dunedin has come to respect its mayor for a number of reasons. She is perhaps the only politician in New Zealand who has, in spite of her radical views and a dedicated following, chosen the local platform to express her views.

In the past, she has been at the forefront of a number of campaigns that range from human rights to environmental issues affecting not just Dunedin but the whole nation.

"It's been pretty low-key. Most people are quite happy with the status quo. The city's in good heart," she told reporters before her re-election.

What makes people like the Dunedin mayor is probably Turner's emphatic views for the last three decades.

This political science post-graduate from Ludhiana in Punjab had raised a big noise when the New Zealand government expressed some reluctance to issue a visa to the Dalai Lama, spiritual head of the Tibetan people, last year.

She had also amused New Zealanders a great deal by recently asking for a ban on national political leaders going overseas as the "politicians come back wanting New Zealand to have what everybody else has".

"It's the small man's syndrome," Turner had said at a meeting of environmentalists in Auckland University. "They feel insecure about being leaders of wee New Zealand."

For some time Turner has also been opposing the basic idea behind the Asia Pacific Economic Co-operation. She has gone to the extent of calling APEC a scam and challenged the notion that bigger is always better, arguing that local economies are special and local governments should invest in them.

It could have been her high profile that led Nelson Mayor Paul Matheson to personally apologise to her turbaned brother-in-law after he was insulted in a bar in Nelson town in a hate attack. Matheson has described the incident involving Maninderjit Singh Sandhu, a Queenstown-based Sikh restaurateur, as "appalling".

Mayor Turner, who has run small businesses along with Indian cookery classes in Dunedin, also represents the metropolitan sector group at The Local Government New Zealand Council. She is also a member of various community organisations and the Green Party of Aoteaora, the native Maori name for New Zealand.