if a nonmuslim girl is in love with a muslim guy why is she arrogantly referred to as lesser than a muslim slave girl when it comes to marriage for the muslim guy?
i can provide the quranic verse,i know it well, i just want to make sure it’s not misinterpreted by people.
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because she does not possess the ''one'' most important quality.. ''Imaan'' where as a slave girl is a slave but she is more compatible for a muslim male because she is Muslim.
Falling in love does not mean you forgot your faith .. it means you prioritise ''Imaan'' before considering any rishta.
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and faith isn't important to the nonmuslim or the people that are not of the book?
for the nonmuslim girl her religion is just as important, why didn't the muslim guy think of islam and those very important quranic verses making her beneath a muslim slave girl, when falling in 'love' with her? where did islam go at that point
it's like emotional blackmail don't you think? the girl is already in love of course she would convert, sacrifice her beloved religion, it's wrong on so many levels and selfish on the part of the muslim
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the believing slave-girl is better because she will help her husband to heaven
other faiths are not routes to please the one deity Allah subhana wataa'ala
the boy in question, although deviated from the true path, is not willing to go against a known ruling
that leaves one question - do you believe in one god? it doesnt matter if your or his parents were born into islam.
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So where's the question about conversion?
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^there's no question of conversion, why does all the sacrificing/converting have to be done by the nonmuslim when the muslim guy himself was careless in falling in love
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and faith isn't important to the nonmuslim or the people that are not of the book?
for the nonmuslim girl her religion is just as important, why didn't the muslim guy think of islam and those very important quranic verses making her beneath a muslim slave girl, when falling in 'love' with her? where did islam go at that point
it's like emotional blackmail don't you think? the girl is already in love of course she would convert, sacrifice her beloved religion, it's wrong on so many levels and selfish on the part of the muslim
Why did that non-muslim girl did not do the research on Islam before falling in love with a Muslim guy. Where was her aqal/wisdom then. All of a sudden she is a wise crack and criticizing the Islam that too before getting to understand what is the background of those verses which she is criticizing.
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i was not criticizing islam, i was only getting the verse clarified:
And do not marry Al-Mushrikât (nonmuslim, etc.) till they believe (worship Allâh Alone). And indeed a slave woman who believes is better than a (free) Mushrikah (nonmuslim, etc.), even though she pleases you. And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al-Mushrikûn till they believe (in Allâh Alone) and verily, a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik, even though he pleases you. Those (Al-Mushrikûn) invite you to the Fire, but Allâh invites (you) to Paradise and Forgiveness by His Leave, and makes His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to mankind that they may remember..
(Quran, 2:221)
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Ah ok. The topic title is "question about nonmuslim girls/guys and conversion to Islam."
Well the answer to that is that if he wants to marry her, she'll have to become Muslim first because he can only marry a Muslim.
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Allah has answered your question , this is perfect enough for me. I do not dare to question Allah's wisdom.
Those (Al-Mushrikûn) invite you to the Fire, but Allâh invites (you) to Paradise and Forgiveness by His Leave, and makes His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to mankind that they may remember..
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that’s not love then
that’s a great way of spreading islam though, by using ‘love’, it’s perfect,
nonmuslims give more importance to love, muslims care only for allah/God right?, us puny humans don’t mean much, he wouldn’t be so quick to sacrifice allah for her would he? i didn’t think so, human love means nothing!
us nonmuslims are total suckers for love, we need to get some sort of pill to fix that. 
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anyways, thanks all for clarifying, i already knew the answer, i've been studying islam for 2 years, sometimes quranic verses can be misinterpreted though depending on who is reading them, that's why i asked.
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Both parties are at fault. The muslim man for indulging in something that is not allowed to begin with. If he had wanted to have a long-term relationship with this non-muslim lady, he should’ve been upfront and clear about matters of faith that will restrict him. The non-muslim lady on the other hand should also have inquired and studied about Islam before getting involved with this person (as someone pointed out before). However in a world where everyones a love doctor things like these are on the rise. On a second note, the version quoted is not the correct context for this situation because it refers to pagan women not women from People of the book (to whom marriage is allowed based on certain criteria ofcourse).
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islam is an expansionist religion, because we believe salvation is not possible by believing or conducting oneself in other ways
as for converts who were not born into islam, they are regarded very very highly.
you are not a puny human, but an equal in creation and its only because we believe that we call you to believe. its sincere
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I think islam is not the only religion that does this. It's just that there are more people in other religions that are tolerant of interfaith marriages (and i want to clarify that the PEOPLE are more tolerant, not the religion itself). I don't think it's really valid in christianity for christians to marry non-christians, but it's become so commonplace and acceptable, that most clergymen will perform the ceremony. I think even a christian pastor/priest would say that it's best to marry within the religion, or if you want to marry out, it's best that the person convert, in order to assure the marriage is 100% valid. it's not a matter of whether the rule exists, its a matter of choosing to abide by it or not. I guess more muslims choose to abide by the rule.
Anyway, what is so wrong about saying that a muslim slave is better (in the view of islam) than a non-muslim non-slave? it's basically saying that the most important value of a human in the islamic perspective is their faith. Isn't that a logical view from any religion?
I mean the verse you are quoting basically says to marry within the faith. I don't know any religion that says it's ok to marry outside the faith. this guy should have thought of this before pursuing the girl. it is unfair to ask her to convert- and it is emotional blackmailing - but the fault lies totally on him, not on islam.
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No you don’t need a pill, and you’re not puny. Some muslims need to get an attitude adjustment and get over their sense of entitlement and expectation that everything has to go their way even though they committed the wrong in the first place (by starting a relationship with someone that is not allowed for them). It’s a cultural thing, not an islamic thing.
And no one is forcing anyone to value love above faith- that is a personal choice.
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that's not love then
that's a great way of spreading islam though, by using 'love', it's perfect,
Who told you that Islam is love and peace!? Stop using your own ignorance and incorrect actions of some Muslims to attack Islam. Islam is submission: submitting one's stubborn will to will of the Lord then as a result one will attain inner peace in his/her life.
nonmuslims give more importance to love, muslims care only for allah/God right?
, us puny humans don't mean much, he wouldn't be so quick to sacrifice allah for her would he? i didn't think so, human love means nothing!
1 - the rights of Allah are greater than the rights of humans. The Lord deserves more love than the fellow humans because He is our Creator and Master. You care so much about love for other humans etc. but what about the love for God and His rights!? Isn't He deserving more of that when He created us and gave us everything!?
2 - Where did you get the idea what Muslims don't care about fellow humans and are not compassionate towards them? If by love and compassionate you mean to sacrifice or overlook one's Islamic duties then that's gross understanding by in and of itself.
3 - You've this flawed understanding because your priorities are upside down. And then you consider it odd or immoral if others have their priorities in right order. Why should he or anyone sacrifice his/her Islam for material love?
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stop twisting my words, i have educated myself on islam and have even memorized certain quranic verses so don't assume i am ignorant, there are plenty of things about it that i simply love and are beautiful.
in order for a person to convert to a religion, they should love it wholeheartedly by themselves without any outside influences and factors affecting their decision to convert including "love"
yes i understand that it is submitting ourselves wholehearted to Allah and accepting everything said in the Quran. and then wholeheartedly saying I testify “La ilah illa Allah, Muhammad rasoolu Allah.” but there are 1 or 2 things that i don't agree with.
anyways, i think i got my answer. thanks all and in no way was i attacking islam plz don't think that
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stop twisting my words, i have educated myself on islam and have even memorized certain quranic verses so don't assume i am ignorant, there are plenty of things about it that i simply love and are beautiful.
in order for a person to convert to a religion, they should love it wholeheartedly by themselves without any outside influences and factors affecting their decision to convert including "love"
yes i understand that it is submitting ourselves wholehearted to Allah and accepting everything said in the Quran. and then wholeheartedly saying I testify “La ilah illa Allah, Muhammad rasoolu Allah.” but there are 1 or 2 things that i don't agree with.
anyways, i think i got my answer. thanks all and in no way was i attacking islam plz don't think that
Peace Manisha25
Thanks for your question. The issue really needs to be understood in a way where we realise that Islam will benefit us and override those things that we 'think' benefit us. For example I could really enjoy a drug, but my mother tells me that it is wrong and harmful, but I protest saying that "she always stops from doing things that I believe benefit me"
Love for a partner is very strong in the beginning of a relationship and Bollywood films don't help us realise reality at all. The reality is that we need to create a living relationship - a life long one with this other person. The love given to us in this matter is a careful guide on who we should marry, how we should resolve conflict and how to avoid it in the first place. The 'love' of the children is preserved, and love for the whole wider families.
By following the requirement of marrying a believer, then we can reduce the chance of our children being confused about religion, so this shows love for the future child. It reduces the chance of fights and arguments and if they do occur then the man will not offend his wife or vice-versa by insulting their beliefs, this shows love for the beliefs of each person, by marrying within the same religion we show love of the families that we have come from. So where love of one person is so important to you, consider the love for all of those others that will be missed out if such a marriage was considered indifferent to alternative.
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^there's no question of conversion, why does all the sacrificing/converting have to be done by the nonmuslim when the muslim guy himself was careless in falling in love
:D @ careless