question about nonmuslim girls/guys and conversion to Islam

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Muslims already have the highest birth rate. Doesn't mean that we are adding very good humans in the population. But to answer your question, Islam is a choice for ppl of this age where information is available on fingertips. Anyone can see what Allah has commanded in Quran and then look at how Muslims are practicing it. If the commandment gets into one's heart then he/she becomes a model for the rest of the Muslims. This is why majority of the converts are those who chose Allah's way with their own research and choice, not by force or by falling in love. Faith is a very personal thing for human beings. Its hidden deep inside us that sometimes we don't realize the strength and weakness of our faith, regardless whether we pray five times a day, goto church every sunday or do pay homage to the idols. Our inner self know who is HE and how much we trust/remember/rely-on HIM in everyday life.

IMO.

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^ Exactly smooth_guy

And to add Manisha25 if what this non-Muslim girl likes about this Muslim boy is based on his Islamic values, then by compromising this value of Islam then later on he may compromise any value. By demonstrating that the principles are being followed this should set an example that:

a) The values are worth following
b) You can trust him

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:mash2: Smooth guy you are really smooth. Jazzak allah.

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Hello! A chaste female person of the book (Christians and Jews) may marry a Muslim male, and her husband must respect her right to practice her religion (IE- she may go to Church every Sunday, and if says it's not permitted anymore he's in the wrong *not *her). Some (like one in a million kinda thing) Imams feels a Muslimah may marry a male person of the book using the logic that the Qur'an used the pronoun 'he' but meant 'we' (I'll post a link at the end of this post). In both cases the children are to be raised Muslim, and if for whatever reason (maybe she just can't read classical Arabic and her husband rather not teach her) the Mother (non-Muslim) cannot assist in the teachings then the Mother-in-law or some other relative/friend can pick up where the Farther leaves off in the teachings. The verse the original poster speaks about states that a Muslim Slave (a low class person for that time period) is better than a (assumed to be high class) pagan as the slave would help the Muslim man with his deen while the Pagan would make him stray.

Being in love with someone does not always lead to conversion. In many religions there are trials and the non-Muslim women would be having one by deciding rather or not to convert for marriage. She would be seen as 'good' in whatever religion she follows if she does not convert, she is passing the trial. There are higher chances of her converting, but if I dare to be so optimistic, via the person rather than the love- she sees a good Muslim man while she may have had bad images of Muslims before thus she looks into Islam more and her heart opens up to it as maybe the people of her religion have strayed and she feels Islam does it better or something.

Also, wouldn't most religions have the same feeling that Islam does in regard to the slave (devout one) being higher just in a different stating?. As a Catholic I know traditionally it is much better for me to marry a Catholic male rather than a non-Catholic even if Mr. Muslim or Mr. Jew is better off (career, financially, emotionally, etc) as my kids would be in a Catholic environment VS a Jewish or Islamic one. I think you're forgetting that religion is not easy and there are many rules to it that are archaic if you look at them with a modern mind (IE-in Catholicism my Dad can sell me into slavery as he is my 'owner') while others are still great (IE-No alcohol is Haraam).

I am unable to find the pdf of the document I referenced, I shall edit this post and add it once I am able to find it. Please pardon

EDIT: I cannot post the link as I am only a Junior Member, but the article is Imam Khaleel Mohammed’s defense of inter-faith marriage.

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Manisha,

i sense bitterness in you for the fact that this Muslim guy is "making you convert". and that is natural. it is wrong of him to ask you to convert to Islam to marry him, because you should only embrace this great religion if you truly believe in it, and definitely Not simply to marry him. these 2 matters should be separate.

there are cases when people who are in "love" actually let go of the "love" as they are more faithful to their religion. i personally know of Muslims who have done that. they were in "love" with Non-Muslims but decided to break-up and get over the relationships because they knew it was not allowed in Islam... and it was very difficult for them, but they did it as they believed it was the Right thing to do...

i do not think someone HAS to "convert coz they are in love". you seem to have made that choice for yourself though so please do not blame anyone else. i do not think you can blame him for using "love as a way for spreading Islam". you're the one who wants to save your relationship with him even if you have to convert. his priorities are different. for him, his religion comes first and you second, which is the way it should be. you seem to have put him before your religion. and it is obvious from your post that you are unhappy that you are doing this. are you sure you want to do this? i do not think it is the right thing to do.

if marrying this Muslim guy is the reason you are thinking of converting to Islam, i personally do not think it is the right reason, Allah-o-Aalim.

With the mindset you are in, unhappy about having to convert to save this relationship (and it is natural to be unhappy here), you could face bigger issues in the future, even if you guys do get married. You will always resent him deeply for this, plus you will have a confused lifestyle, you will have to put up a front which you do not believe in. This could also be devastating for your kids.

I think you really need to break off from this relationship. I know it is not easy for you to hear this but I truly think so.

Regarding Islam, if you are genuinely interested in Islam then study it....but your motivation should not be marriage to him.

This guy has made it clear now that he will not marry you as you are Hindu. He will marry only a Muslim, and he cannot be blamed for that as that is what his religion says. Surely, he made a huge mistake of getting involved with you, but it is better for him to correct it now than to go on with it and take the mistake to a deeper wrong. I am sure it is not easy for him to let go of you either, but it is good that he is going to do the right thing at least now, and not marry a Non-Muslim.

It is not always easy to do the right thing, but in the long term it brings more peace and prevents a lot of harm - to generations.

I've seen situations similar to yours closely. Do not take offence at my candid reply. I've only tried to help.

I wish you the best of luck with everything.

Regards.

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^ i was studying islam long before and was getting many things clarified from learned muslims on my own.

not converting and not continuing this was totally my decision based on what i've learned about islam. there are things about it that i just can't get myself to follow. i love many things about the religion i was born into along with other religions. i take bits that i like from every religious holy book.

it's not really a big thing. i just wanted that one verse clarified

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and no i am in no way bitter, please don't think that, i approached islam with a very very open mind

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Peace Manisha25

I was just thinking about the issue you raise about it being unfair or unreasonable that because of scripture a Muslim male who loves a non-Muslim female will not marry her, whereas you hold that the female has to compromise.

I don't consider this a compromise at all. Look at it realistically. If the woman this Muslim male marries is Muslim he will be obliged to treat her with respect and honour as the Qur'an dictates. So if a woman becomes Muslim surely she is not making a compromise rather she is getting a double win. i.e. her marriage and higher status in the eyes of her would be husband according to the rules of his own religion.

If this non-Muslim lady should believe that she loves him enough based on her own 'current' principles she places that 'love' above all else, why then is she imposing that principle on her 'lover'? Surely, by doing so she is breaching her own principle of 'love' rules, because by holding that rule, then she is obliged to 'love' that man even when he holds such values. However, him being a Muslim is not obliged to hold that value. Furthermore, before the woman chooses to become Muslim, she believes that 'love' is the highest standard, then it should be okay for her to convert for 'love', being a Muslim I cannot encourage anyone to convert out of 'love' for a possible partner, however, since that particular woman believes that 'love' is most important to her at the moment then she should become a Muslim. However, after becoming so she will hopefully embody a different set of principles and then love her Lord and faith more than her husband.

Personally I don't think Islam or the man is the one with the issue. That girl holds all the cards.

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hmmmmm... ok...

well... i can see how coming from a Non-Muslim background certain elements of Islam might seem very strict to you... even to me, being a Muslim, some things seem a bit harsh, but then when i truly study then i appreciate them as they are there to ensure sanity in society and humankind... and also, the more i read the Quran the more i realise how beautiful a book it is... Allah says again and again that He is Merciful...

i am unfortunately not a learned scholar that i can help you too much... but i believe that you need to keep looking from different angles to appreciate the truth and beauty in the Quran... i do not know which scholars you were approaching... but you do not have to base your opinions necessarily on what they say... you could even go through different translations from different scholars and make up your own mind... at least for a basic idea...

it is good to know that you broke it off and decided not to convert just for this reason.

May Allah show us all the light of truth.

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And Manisha,
if he is meant for you, Allah will make it happen. if not, then it will not. so let Allah control your lives and sit back.

On the other hand, if you are at all curious about Islam, you should continue to study it. Islam is a beautiful religion which will make you feel complete, like you've found the ultimate truth. :)

I will look at the original Ayat you posted and try to see if i have something to say on that.. later on Inshallah...

tc

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i have read the quran and gone quite deep in my study of the religion

like i said before, i do think a lot of the verses are beautiful but there are some things that i just don't agree with. although i will keep asking for clarifications of certain verses like i have been

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^ Peace Manisha25

It seems you looking for a fatwa for him to be able to marry a non-Muslim woman without requiring her to convert. If that is the case then she is just as guilty for not converting as he is for requiring her to convert. One is stuck to his religious value, the other is stuck to her religion.

There have been some people in the past who have justified the marrying of Hindu women, based on the idea that the message in the Vedas is Divine. I am not going to argue that position, but if you do some research you may find what you are looking for.

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Dear Manisha,

I came back to this thread as i had said, to reply to the original concern you had raised about believing slave girl versus free non-believing woman...
i think people who have posted before in this thread have already addressed your question very well....the only thing i can say more is that it's not like the non-believing woman is just doomed to be less than the believing woman forever.... i mean, the non-believing woman CAN rise to the same level or higher... By embracing the correct belief that is Islam...

does this answer your question or address your concern or not really... ?

you said there are 2 3 things in Islam which do not make sense to you and which you don't agree with... do you want to ask and share what those are?

i am no scholar but i am curious and if at all my replies can help...

Regards

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Yaar manisha, if you ever do convert to Islam (which is what all of us muslims wish secretly deep down inside) do it only and only for the sake of faith. Do not do it to be eligible to marry a muslim. But more importantly do not marry that guy even if he decides to become Hindu for you. Do not trust anyone who is ready to abandon his/her faith for someone else. I wouldn't.

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Manisha, do not marry that guy.

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Manisha because evan when most muslims fell in love evan with a non muslim lady still thay have there Love of ALLAH and Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) and it doesnt go anywhere so the question what are the order of ALLAH and his PROPHET on marriage and muslims have to follow it

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Dear Manisha:

I hope you are able to find all the answers you are looking for. I agree with the poster who said that deep down we want everyone to convert to Islam.

I urge you to go over this website: http://www.al-islam.org/

Peace :slight_smile:

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^thank you so much for the link :), i know loads about islam and i choose not to convert/revert, i love my hindu culture too much and in terms of the other thing, love doesn't ask for any favors so asking somebody to convert just so a muslim man/woman can marry them is emotional blackmail, it's not love..........it's just wrong.

can the mods please close this thread now, i got my question answered, i don't want it open anymore, thank you