Brother Humble,
You are right, good to have you back today!
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JazakAllah brother Cool Dude. Life is too short and I really wonder if I can do something constructive. 25 years of my life are already gone, I really wonder how many more seconds do I have left in my life! When I talk about death to my friends who are my age, they say, we still have time. Who knows though? How can they be so sure about time left? We never know brother, thats why I think we should do something constructive here before someone else is holding us (janaza) on their shoulders!!!!
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~~samaan sau baras ka hay pal kee khabar naheen~~
your bro,
Humble
a11shah:
Aisha, the vile and malicious woman, who was commanded by Allah (swt) to stay in her house led a battle with the holy Imam - against whom enmity is kufar. So what do you think Aisha is ?
CAN YOU SUNNIS ANSWER THIS ?
I am no maulana and doesn’t have too much knowledge about Islam but I will try to answer you question regarding Hazrat Aisha (RA). I won’t say that what you belief is wrong or what I belief is right. We all have to see the facts and if we can understand them then we should discuss further.
First of all, as far as calling your muslim brother/sister with a bad name is not allowed and I am sure both Sunni and Shia agree on this point. Even if we look at Hazrat Ibrahim (AS) whose father was a Kafir and he used respected words to convert him to the path of Allah (SWT). Therefore, I would request you to always use good words and even if other people are using derogatory words it shouldn’t allure you to become bad. Do we agree or disagree on this point?
Secondly, as far as the act of Hazrat Aisha is concerned I will discuss it later and before that I would request you to understand the meaning of Radhiallah Anha/Anho. This is the title which is used for the companions (Sahaba) of prophet (people who saw prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in their life time) including Hazrat Fatima (RA), Hazrat Ali (RA) and you will notice that you say Radhiallah Anha for men and Radhiallah anho for women at the end of their names. Similarly, Hazrat Aisha (RA), Hazrat Abubakr (RA), Hazrat Umar (RA), Hazrat Usman (RA) were called by this addition in their name. The word Radhiallah Anha/Anho means that Allah is Raazi (happy) with them and they are Razzi with Allah.
Now, coming to your question that why Aisha went out and fought against Hazrat Ali (RA). People like me who are very sinful doesn’t have the right to say whether Aisha was right or Ali was right because we don’t have enough knowledge and the actual understanding of the situation at that time. Even, Muhammed (pbuh) had predicted that there will be a war between sahaba and some sahaba will be right and some of them will be wrong. This prediction became true in this case when Aisha fought against Ali and sahaba were split into two groups as they didn’t know who to side with. One historian tried to right the history saying who was right and who was wrong but a senior sahabi stopped him by saying something similar to “Behold, your pen and your tongue before u write or say anything as these are the people whom Allah is happy with and you don’t have the right to judge any of them as it could be possible due to this mistake you might go to Jahanam”.
Wallah Alam Bis Sawab.
I have tried to answer your question and hope that if not both then you will at least agree with my first point.
I will also request other people especially when they are discussing religious matter with their muslim brothers and sisters then don’t let Shaitan come in between you as it can become a reason for them to go to hell fire.
This false propaganda ia again and again started here. First it was started by A1shah and this is the second thread about Hazrat Ayesha. I have many shia friends but this is the first time I have known how shia people hate Sahabas like Hazrat Abu Bakr, Umer , Usman and Hazrat Ayesha.
The fact is that a great majority of muslims in the world regard these Sahabas ideal muslims. If someone dont like them its their problem. If someone dont agree with their views they label them hating family of prophet which is quiet rediculous. With such hate against Hazrat Ayesha did anyone gain anything ? Did anyone supported u in this tirade except for people who alredy have their mind set about that.
I myself regard Hazrat Ali as fourth Imam after Hazrat Abu Bakr, Umer and Usman. If someone has problem with that I dont care. I think a great majority of muslims have that faith.
I have a different concept of imammat and I am happy with that. I dontcare if someone has a different vire about that but I dont force it on others as people do here.
Here comes another stupid post by Degas that will start the weird and unconclusive debate again.
How many times do i have to tell you guys to stop these controversial discussions. Degas, Nanga, baykhatr and others like you, you are only creating hell fire for yourself. As brother Khan_sahib said, dont let shaytan come in between you. It is not you Mr. Degas, its the shaytan inside you thats talking.
What benefit are you getting here by yelling and talking about stuff nobody really cares about.
As I mentioned and Brother Cool Dude acknowledged, we have more important issues to talk about, if you come outta your shell and look around in the world these days.
Just an advice, if you want to listen.
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By the way I have noticed something very similar in “Degas, Nanga, and Baykhatr’s posts.” Are they really three people or just one?
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I wonder if others are observing the same too?
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your bro,
Humble
Shias have history of disrespecting Sahaba, infact its their believe and they must disrespect the companions of Mohammad. Thats a shame.
NO i dont wana discuss that with you i know you wont stop harrassing and creatings false shit against the Companions of mohammad.
Dr Loveless
Change your signature otherwise your posts will be deleted.
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I am still waiting for an answer!!!
Humble,
I have noticed similarity between u, Mr. Pakistani and A1shah and thats hatred for Hazrat Ayesha, Hazrat Abu Bakr, Umer and Usman. I love these people as well as Prophets family.
To u important matters r disrespecting Hazrat Ayesha. shame on u. at least follow Hazrat Ali in that matter.
By the way hopw following Hazrat Abu Bakr, Umer and Usman is a sin?
i can't beleive what i'm reading here. I think this thread should be locked. The discussions are not going anywhere, and its just pissing off a lot of people.
Don't go away MAD, Just go away...
Salam brother Nomaan,
I totally agree with you. They need to close this thread. It will only create hatred among muslim brothers.
Degas (urf baykhatr urf nanga),
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Well, I dont even know these people silly.
Good try though but I dont need another name. I am alone enough for "you" with your three names, Nanga, Degas, Baykhatr. Thankyou for acknowledging that you are all three. And hey! Learn to control your temper, or you'll be a loser.
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Humble
Every one know we r separate people but the intensity of hate u r propagating here lead all u three to the same state of mind. Hate is ur religion. U have accused me of many things including showing respect to Hazrat Ayesha and other companions of Prophet?
I dont think anyone has the right to question what Hazrat Ayesha did. What authority has anyone to question? I am not going to debate with someone whose sole purpose is to hurt other people faiths and feelings.
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Degas jee>>>>>>>>>
For god’s sake stop this…
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Now, I really think or doubt that You are not muslim
Shazia Qureshi.
Waiting for the answer!!!
:mad4:
Ashee…
still waiting…
i don't see an insult anywhere
if you're mentioning the scrotal hernia part, you can go ahead and say that i've got it.. thats not an insult..its just something thats not true..
and how can a 'stone' runaway with the clothes anyway.. or maybe i'm missing something..
exactly nomaan..........
That is what is bothering me..........
How can a stone run away?And Mosa a.s) shouting my clothes!!!!!!!
It dOes not make sense.........
Why did abuhurera said this and attached this hadith to our Prophet Mohammad (s.w)?
Abuhurera's all hadith loses credibility because of this. He was an unreliable person and LIAR!!
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Originally posted by AishaKhan:
**exactly nomaan..........
That is what is bothering me..........
How can a stone run away?And Mosa [a.s) shouting my clothes!!!!!!!
It dOes not make sense.........
Why did abuhurera said this and attached this hadith to our Prophet Mohammad (s.w)?
Abuhurera's all hadith loses credibility because of this. He was an unreliable person and LIAR!!**
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The thing is the story is not in the Quran and is not beneficial for anybody's faith , on the other hand its giving chances to the non believing people to make fun of Islam , these things should not be given any thought and it seems one of the non musaddiqa Hadith.
My other point for your question is , by the rule of Logic and the rules of any court of laws you cannot declare a person guilty by just one point , it needs at least three evidences , so declaring a person wrong by just one evidence is wrong.No offence to anyone , just a piece of knowledge about logic.
Yeah you may result by just pointing out one mistake , but this come in the part of inductive logic.