Question about Ayesha

Salaaam everyone

Friends i dont wanna offend anybody but I have a question for you all, If you read Quran surah Ahzaab which is the 33 surah of Quraan Majeed and if you look at the ayat 32 and 33, It ask the wives of Prophet not to leave their houses, which all of the wives obeyed except Bibi Ayesha, who left the house and went to fight against Hazrat Ali in the battle of Jamaal, Ali who was born inside the Qaba, Ali who slept on the bed of Prophet at the nite of Hijrat, the same Ali who was awarded sword Zulfiqar in the battle of Ohad by God, Ali who was the Alamdar in the battle of Khyber. the same ayat then talks about the purification of Ahleybait from the sins, these are the same Ahlaybait which Holy Prophet took with him for Mubaila, even the kufaar of Mecca by lookin at these Ahleybait(Holy Prophet, Bibi Fatima, Hazrat Ali, Imam Hassan, Imam Hussain) realized how true they are and refused for Mubahila, the sad thing is we dont realize their martaba. How will you justify this act of Ayesha.

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Salam

well all I can say is that...how can people respect ayesha after she took a bath infront of men with only a sheet to divide them

weird huh?!


"There as many ideas in the minds of men and women as there are stars in the sky, it is your job to hold on to one and make it come true"
Anonymous

some people always have excuses at hands.

tell me what were the ulemas doing there when (if) she.ra was taking bath. it’s the same task what the maulvis were doing when mirza died in the bathroom. all the time you people keep an eye on others private life to make tittle-tattle.

ok if she was taking shower. so what. that’s part of daily life. but the question is why were men standing there. for the free peep show? don’t they have courtesy to move over and give respect to her privacy. what a stupid comment. i would rather say astagfayrullah hay rabbi.

keeping in mind what you are trying to sketch is a picture of 1400 years back. when people even don’t have enough to meet daily needs. it was narrated that sahabas were so poor and down to earth personalities that most only possess a small sheet of cloth to cover themselves. when they try to cover one part the other becomes exposed. so what if she took shower.

mr ahlay-sunnah for you kind information even today if go in villages people are so poor that proper privacy is hard to attain. and you are portraying a view of more than a thousand years behind time.

most importantly by mentioning about her bath. what are you trying to emphasize. her immoral character, something for the islamic revolution or a paid publicity of the ahlay bait. though if i may ask please point out the spiritual aspect of your message.

don’t you shias have any good thing to share beside ahlaybait issue. trust me there is not a single muslim in this world who degrade them or does not give them the rank they deserve. but you shias are trying to pose them as gods and one should follow them only. that’s the key to jannat. the rest (including me) will enjoy the ride to the depth of hell.

you people are going way far from spirituality. the main purpose of today’s islam is how to put down others if this policy doesn’t work out then lets target the history and pull out the great personalities. humiliate them so that their followers should be shaken and tremble down. all these endeavors are to prove themselves pure pious and perfect. the others are just plain idiots.

if i were born a non muslim today and given a choice i would rather have chosen to keep my non muslim faith rather than to enter this dirty and most disgusting religion on earth whose people even don’t know how to respect their founders.

naoozobillah you people are trying to cross all the limits. you are calling the curse of allah. time is near. he will surely forsake you.

i don’t hate anyone but you people are planting rifts by yourself. like mutta was sunnat, ayesha took shower in front of men.

so whats the next topic. sahabas intimate life? or islamic history and paparazzi descriptions?

weird huh?

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Nanga,

I have posted this link before. Please go and read this book. Follow up it’s references. Think deeply about it.
http://www.al-islam.org/guided/

If you are really interested in searching for the truth then there is no excuse for you not to read the book and check it’s references. For surely on the day when we shall all be gathered before the Almighty you will be unable to use the argument that the truth was hidden from you for the truth is there, clear for those who search for it.

May Allah guide us all to seerat-al-mustaqeem.

Allah Hafiz.

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Lamba Sahab , is there only one source from where one can find the truth , be realistic and give some solid evidences , today i can also lauch a registered website and put materials on it , saying you people are wrong and blah blah.
And put its link in one of my posts on gupshup.

lamba such digusting info is the creation of your todays ulemas. web is full of crap. so please dont refer me to web sites next time. talk with logic. you even dont know a bit about those personalities. all the knowledge you have attained is through your ulemas and your parents and your deeni dersgahain. dont you have any intellectual ability to reaccess the beliefs? perhaps you people are gone too far to find a way back.

will talk later. bye now

if you go through the old books you will definitely praise those pious personalities.

Salaaam

Nangey sahab you need to open your mind, dont just belief in wat you were thaught, belief in what sounds logical to you. I refered an Ayaat of Quran and asked your opinion regarding the issue, and you started blaming shia's, without even answering my question, dont try to create sects, be a muslim and belief in what sounds right, please dont just start blaming shia's, i am not the one trying to create rifts, all i asking is looking at the Ayat of Quran and the deeds of Ayesha, what sounds logical to you. We all belief in Quran don't we, then how would you judge Bibi Ayesha acts relating to the Ayat I have refered at the top

Surah Ahzaab (33 surah)

Ayaat (32-33)

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mr. pakistani. i just read the verses. please be my guest and write the translation by yourself before put my comment on it.

Mr Pakistani,
Can anyone of us judge companions or wives of prophets. Who gave us this authority? Its the job of God and not ours. What they did at that time only God can judge. The way u talk about Prophets wife hurt a lot of people. To me all those great people were human beings and if they made mistakes that might be unintetional. Just leave those to Allah. Why r u creating hatred here? Eveyone respect Prophets family anf Sahabas.

Then what about this.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/005.sbt.html#001.005.248

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 1, Book 5, Number 251:
Narrated Abu Salama:

'Aisha’s brother and I went to ‘Aisha and he asked her about the bath of the Prophet. She brought a pot containing about a Sa’ of water and took a bath and poured it over her head and at what time there was a screen between her and us.

Salam,

thank U Justice...that's the hadith I was looking for but the site I got it from closed the connection...anywayz...thanks a lot...wasalam


"There as many ideas in the minds of men and women as there are stars in the sky, it is your job to hold on to one and make it come true"
Anonymous

[24:11]
11. Verily! Those who brought forth the slander (against 'Aishah radhiallahu'anhu the wife of the Prophet SAW) are a group among you. Consider it not a bad thing for you. Nay, it is good for you. Unto every man among them will be paid that which he had earned of the sin, and as for him among them who had the greater share therein, his will be a great torment.

So, Ahl-e-sunnah, cooldude just gave you a quote from the Quran about our Prophets wife Aisha. You tryin to say that the hadiths are more truer than the Quran???

I really hope you understand what great sins you and your misled cronies are committing.

For me the Quran is the word of Allah, I would rather follow that than believe concoctions made by man.

Is that logical enough for you guys??

Bil-Ittefaq (unanimous view of all muslim scholars), a muslim who believes in ANY ONE of the following, is a KAFIR and a murtid.

That, Naooz-billah,

  1. Hazrat Ali (Razi Allah Talla Unha) was a prophet of Allah.
  2. That Hazrat Gabrail - Jibraeel (RATU) made a mistake and gave wahi to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) instead of Hazrat Ali (RATU).
  3. Thos who propagate the incident/tuhmat on Hazrat Ayesha (RATU). This Tuhmat was answered in Holy Quran by Allah Ta'lla Himself, so anyone who suggests otherwise is a MURTID.
  4. Anyone who doubts the piety of Hazrat Abu Bakr (RATU).

There is a difference of opinion in muslim scholars on those who doubt the piety of other emminent Suhaba (including Khulafa-e-Rasheedeen), but the majority opinion is that anyone who propagates about them and doubts their piety, does a grave injustice and gunah, but is not considered a Murtid. This relaxation is not allowed in case of Hazrat Abu Bakr (RATU).

...and Allah knows best.

Let us all give due respect and love to Allah Ta'alla, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), all his family, all his sahaba, Khulafa-e-Rashideen, and all muslims of the world, past or present.

Please do not post topics which insult great personalities in Islam, and only goes to show disrespect, the author's own ignorance and amal-e-shaytaan. Our knowledge on Islam is a miniscule of what our ulema have spent their lives learning, and we will do well, to either keep our mouth shut or to discuss things which increase our knowledge. Casting disrespect to any muslim, shia or sunni, or ahl-e-bayat or anyone is just to increase our own load of gunah, which we alone will be responsible to carry on the day of Qiyamat.

Jazak Allah Khair.

Please do not post topics which insult great personalities in Islam, and only goes to show disrespect, the author's own ignorance and amal-e-shaytaan. Our knowledge on Islam is a miniscule of what our ulema have spent their lives learning, and we will do well, to either keep our mouth shut or to discuss things which increase our knowledge. Casting disrespect to any muslim, shia or sunni, or ahl-e-bayat or anyone is just to increase our own load of gunah, which we alone will be responsible to carry on the day of Qiyamat.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

CoolDude:

Wahabi creed is based exactly on:

Casting disrespect to all muslim, shia or sunni, or ahl-e-bayat or anyone. They wouldn't be able to survive if they did not TWIST & SLANDER.

Take a look at Point #1 where Pristine is associating Hazrat Ali as a Prophet when it is very clear that he is Imam or Caliph! This is their classic example of twist & slander.

If this doesn't work then they will associate shia Imams as Divine and imply Shirk! And, we all know their position re: All muslims being polytheists & idolators!

Not only that, they[wahabis] are a well-funded group that are set-up to do just that - slander other faith and, they get paid for doing it!

Ask them why? They will tell you it is DAWA'H! My ass!

ASK Pristine, Nanga, warrior, Loveless, BB,etc. if they are wahabi and they will tell you there is no such thing!

To the dumb muslims: You will get exactly what you deserve by ignoring these jaheels & their Jahaliat they represent. Good Luck!

Thats sad if they try to split the muslims and get paid for it too!!

Is it similar to Ahmedies, apparently their founder was paid to create division between the muslims too?

faceup: This is all news to me, as i'm sure it is to others, as I have never met any so called 'Wahabis' - people with the charecteristics you mention.

Can I ask you, if someone follows Quran and Sunnah, are they a Wahabi?

Can I also ask what you consider to be a 'muslim' as in what methodology they should follow?

Look forward to your replies.

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Originally posted by Mariah:
**So, Ahl-e-sunnah, cooldude just gave you a quote from the Quran about our Prophets wife Aisha. You tryin to say that the hadiths are more truer than the Quran???

I really hope you understand what great sins you and your misled cronies are committing.

For me the Quran is the word of Allah, I would rather follow that than believe concoctions made by man.

Is that logical enough for you guys??**
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Well there should be no doubt in it that "there is no GOD but Allah, Muhammad (saw) is HIS last prophet, Quran is Supreme book, and Ali (as) is a cousin of Muhammad (saw) as Haroon (as) was cousin of Musa (as)".

So Mariah and Cooldude, do you mean that?

  1. Sahih Bukhari is not Sahih, and Bukhari fabricated such hadithes in this Sahih book?

  2. Could you pl. tell me who were blaming Aisha (RA) and what typr of blame?

Well I know, no need to repeat it. But my point is that if some "companion" of prophet did this then how can all companions be considered equal, and "FAITHFULL"?.

I really never wanted this discussion, but if someone is interested then lets c.

CoolDude,

A) The wahabi creed is based on:
1) All muslims are polytheists & idolators and thus are not muslims at all!

2) Based on #1 - what does that make you?

3) Based on #1,2 - what do you think they consider the 4 Sunni taqleeds(Shaefii, Maliki, Hanafi, Hanbali), Shiiism, Sufism,etc?

4) The wahabis consider the 4 sunni taqlids innovations; if they are innovations then what does that make the Sunni Imams & their scholars? It makes them enemies of islam.

If the sunni imams & scholars are enemies of islam then what penalties can be applied to them and their followers, i.e. Ahl as sunnah wal jamaat?

B) Now, Re: your question on Following quran & hadiths/sunnah!
All muslims follow quran and hadiths but they follow it as part of an "organized approach" or being part of a taqleed or tariqa. The Ahs As Sunnah commands that one follow 1 of the 4 sunni taqleeds in its entirety!

If there were no 'organized approach' or taqleeds and everyone followed quran & sunnah as per their own understanding then we would have one confused ummah! Don't you think? This should answer your question!

Now, since wahabis are anti-taqleeds & tariqas, does that mean that they have no 'organized approach' to practising their creed. Of course they do! It is called wahabism which is based on their "Most Exalted" leader abdul wahab.

Note: They[wahabis] call their founder "most Exalted" leader while Prophet of Islam is an ordinary man, abay - like you & me!

C)Re: Your question on what constitutes a muslim and what methodology should they follow?

I am on record as saying that: One who believes in the Final Prophet & Final Revelation and follow his/her Taqleed & or, Tariqa (methodology)is a muslim.

D) The wahabis have been funding web-sites, publications, organizations, individuals with the sole aim of slandering other faiths. Their modus operandi is based on lies, deceptions, bribes & takfeering.

Faceup, here are my comments on wahabiat, although I believe this is a separate discussion in itself, and not appropriate for this Post.

As a muslim, I have no dispute with follower of any sect, Fiqh Jaffaria, Hanafi, Shafai or Hanbli. I even do not have any dispute with Wahabi's, but the only thing which disappoints me about Wahabis is their lack of respect toward the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Their preachings that everyone should have a DIRECT link with Allah Ta'lla, although is not wrong in itself, but the way they ignore the sunnah, and cast doubts on the teachings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) which have reached us through his ahadith, is not acceptable to me.

Their whole argument about ignoring teh sunnah and the ahadith is standing on just one hadith, which is quoted out of context. The hadith is

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..and the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said not to write anything about him and if someone has written anything, then it should be deleted
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This hadith is correct, but is out of context. The tafseer for this hadith is very clear, that "In the Life of Prophet Muhamamd (PBUH)", the Prophet insisted that more prioirty be given to writing the Holy Quran, and this hadith just goes to re-emphasize the point. Years after the visaal of Prophet Muhamamd (PBUH), Imam Bukhari (Razi Allah Tallah) and thereafter six other eminent scholars of Islam, whose knoweldge is much ahead than all the members of this forum put together, spent years and years to collect sahih ahadith and to put them to regorous tests to ensure that no fake ahadith or mis-quoted ahadith are inluded in their collections.

In addition, I agree with faceup, about wahabiat attitude towards calling religious practices "bidaat" (or unaccepted innovation). I will like to quote just one refernce in this. During the khutba-e-Hajj this year 2000, the imam in his address in Arafat said something very touching, and I will like to share it with all of you

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Do not call a religious practice "bida'at". Because for someone to be able to distinguish between bida'at and true religious practice, he should be both "sahib-e-ilm" and "sahib-e-basalat". Many amongst you are sahib-e-ilm, but how many of you are sahib-e-basalat?
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I think this is truly wonderful statement by the imam at khutba-tul-Hajj. As we all know Saudi Arabia and its rulers are followers of Wahabi teachings and for the imam to be able to say this right during the occassion of Hajj means a lot. Many of wahabi scholars are men of immense knowledge but, alas, their inner light has gone out, because they have disassociated themselves from the sunnah of the Prophet, and their hearts are devoid of the love and resepct we should all feel towards our Prophet, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)

The four sects of Islam are all correct as all of them have their origin and daleel in the life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). This alone should make us careful in how we approach any discussion on inter-sect differences.

Wahabiat is quite a recent phenomenon, which started in 20th century, and I believe it came into existence as a reaction to some of the Turk practices prevailing at that time (1900-1925). Turks, great muslims, had probably gone a over-board in their devotion and some of their actions were probably shirk or were close to shirk. But that is another discussion.

If we are a devout muslims, we must have our imaan... fear and obey Allah, as He has a right to be feared and obeyed. At the same time, we should feel love towards Allah Ta'alla, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and all his ummah.

Many a time in these forums, quite unnecessary topics are posted e.g. whether the first kalima makes Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), naooz billah, a partner with Allah. If these topics are posted by non-muslims trying to gain insight in our religion, than a logical, and informative response is all that is required.

Unfortunately, these topics and more like it, are generally posted by muslims. If the intention is to create fitna, disinformation and fasad, then let be there be la'anat on the author. If the intention is to gain knowledge on basic aqeeda and iman, by someone who was not as fortunate to have developed such basic aqaed at an early age than, ofcourse, intelligent, logical response is required by someone who can quote correct daleel.

However, in no case, should the discussion be allowed to degenarate into petty name-calling, as is, unfortunately the case in many of the serious debates in this forum. Respect for all sahaba, ahl-e-bayat, khulafa-e-Rashideen, Umahat-ul-momineen and all muslim brothers and sisters, past or present should be a second nature to all of us.

Some over-excited followers of certain sects, tend to go overboard, and discourteous in their beliefs and postings. This is a religious forum, and proper decorum and respect should be maintained at all times. Religious tolerence for differences of opinions is expected and indeed welcome, unless it is against the BASIC AQEEDA of islam.

W'llahu Alam bilsawab...

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