can anyone tell me how old was Hazrat Ayesha
at the time she took the bath.......she got
married at 8 i think.......
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Originally posted by faceup:
**Take a look at Point #1 where Pristine is associating Hazrat Ali as a Prophet when it is very clear that he is Imam or Caliph! This is their classic example of twist & slander.
...
ASK Pristine, Nanga, warrior, Loveless, BB,etc. if they are wahabi and they will tell you there is no such thing!
To the dumb muslims: You will get exactly what you deserve by ignoring these jaheels & their Jahaliat they represent. Good Luck!**
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faceup: I am quite disappointed in a few of yor statements.
Where did I suggested that I believe, Naoozbillah, Hazrat Ali (razi Alla Tallah Unha) is a Prophet? I have said that anyone who believes in this is a murtid and a kafir.
Alhamdollilah, you do not believe in it, right? Same is true for the remaining three stataments made by me earlier.
I didn't imply that anyone on this forum belives in them, or I didn't imply that all the followers of any sect believe in them, or any one of them. I am sure you may know that there are people who believe in some of those. And it is the unanimous opinion of muslim scholars of all schools of thought, that if the basic aqeeda has a fault, then the person is no longer a muslim. There can be differences of opinion on religious practices, but there can not be a compromise on the basic aqeeda.
... And Allah knows best.
Re: Wahabiat, I have already provided my response. I hope you are satisfied. Although your own answer to wahabiat was also quite correct, inasmuch you identified some of the weaknesses in wahabi school of thought. I do not understand some of your statements, therefore can't comment on or agree to all of it.
Care to explain your last statement, quoted above.
Jazak Allah Kahir...
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Pristine jee,
jee, how did you come up with this definition of kafirs jee? Why opnly these four points you mentioned here? How about if a person denies Allah?
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I respect Sahabas and khandan of prophet MoHammad (S.W) but I never read anything about Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique (r.a)'s denial as a reason to be called kafir. My brother is a student at Jamia Masjid Binnoria (binnori town), I also asked him and he asked Sheikhulhadeeth there.
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Shazia Qureshi (Gurya!!!)
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Originally posted by faceup:
*All muslims follow quran and hadiths but they follow it as part of an "organized approach" or being part of a taqleed or tariqa. The Ahs As Sunnah commands that one follow 1 of the 4 sunni taqleeds in its entirety!
*
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Faceup: I will just like to clarify this one statement of yours. All of it is correct, except the last part. It is true that if someone follows one school of thought, it is generally true that they follow it in its entirety, however, this is not the recommended religious practice. The true essence of Islam is based on daleel or evidence. As students of islam, we must be constantly seeking knowledge and daleel on all matters.
For example, if I generally follow Fiqa Hanafi, however, for a particular issue (or "masla") I believe that Shafai interpretation have a stronger daleel or evidence, then it is allowed that I follow their interpretation for that matter. It is not permissible to follow the most convenient interpretation. Similarly, a particular interpretation must be followed consistently.
You can not switch interpretations to suit your whims.
Having said that, let me state in conclusion, that it may not be possible for all muslims to individually research all topics to find out the strongest daleel on any matter. In which case, it is allowed, even as much as recommended that if your knoweldge is weak, then simply follow the interpretation provided by the Imam whom you generally follow. Thus a follower of Imam Shafai will tend to follow his interpretation on ALL matters. This by no means make it a compulsion.
... And Allah knows best.
Jazak Allah Khair.
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Originally posted by pakigurya:
**Pristine jee,
jee, how did you come up with this definition of kafirs jee? Why opnly these four points you mentioned here? How about if a person denies Allah?
I respect Sahabas and khandan of prophet MoHammad (S.W) but I never read anything about Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique (r.a)'s denial as a reason to be called kafir. My brother is a student at Jamia Masjid Binnoria (binnori town), I also asked him and he asked Sheikhulhadeeth there.
Shazia Qureshi (Gurya!!!!!!!!!!!!)**
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Pakigurya:
If someone doesn't believe in Allah Ta'alla or God (by whatever name) then they are considered aethist, and are not even in organized religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam et al). There is no doubt that they are not muslims.
The four statements made by me, only refer to some of the beliefs which have unfortunately crept in some of the sections of muslim society.
Certain schools of thought have longer lists of beliefs or religious practices which can nullify the imaan and make the person a kafir. For example, according to some eminent Islamic scholars, if someone does not offer prayers five times a day, then that person is out of Islam, and is a kafir. This is not a unanimous view. There is a difference of opinion, and the majority view is that the person earned lots of gunah, but Allah Ta'alla is all mighty and can take mercy on anyone.
Similarly, disrespect to sahaba, is a grave gunah, according to majority of islamic scholars.
However, as regards Hazrat Abu Bakr, it is the unanimous opinion that showing disresepct towards Hazrat Abu Bakr, effectively renders your imaan defective, that is because praise for Hazrat Abu Bakr is cited by Allah Ta'alla in the Quran and also because Abu Bakr was the closest companion to Prophet and was also the companion of the Prophet during Hijrat. Thus, we should be very careful in what we belive in and say, in respect to Hazrat Abu Bakr (Razi Alla Talah)
... and Allah knows best
Pristine jee,
meney aapki baat saMjhee, shukriya!!!
laikan,
but,
My qUestion is There sTill jee, the thing is ::
““We caNnot call a person KAFIR if he or sHe disrespect Hazrat AbUbakr (r.A).””
ThEre are many thingys peopLe do that are SiNS but jee We do NOT HaVe the right to call them kaafir jee.
It is wRong to call anyone kafir like that. What does everybody else think?
cOOL Dude jee?? hUMble jee??? Dr. loVelesS jee??? BlacK AND wHITE BEAUTH JEE???
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Gurya!!!
ok hEre!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by justice:
**Then what about this.
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Justice jEE…
wHY was she (HaZRAT Aisha) taking shower in fronT of oTher people??? I cHecked bukHari myself todaY and finD it in thERE. NObody told me about it beFore. nOT even my bhai jaan. Why??I am AMAZED!!!
Shazia…(gurya)](http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/005.sbt.html#001.005.248)
Originally posted by Justice:
*So Mariah and Cooldude, do you mean that?
- Sahih Bukhari is not Sahih, and Bukhari fabricated such hadithes in this Sahih book?*
Not at all, I believe that Quran and Sahih hadith are correct. However, Quran takes precedence over Hadith.
2. Could you pl. tell me who were blaming Aisha (RA) and what typr of blame?
**The reason for this ayat was different than our topic. I think there were rumours about her, but i'm not too sure on that - please enlighten me if you can.
Nowhere does it suggest that this ayat is not applicable any more. Read the ayat again, can you deduce from there that this ayat was ONLY meant for that particular time?
The hadith are right as they are sahih, but Quran takes precedence... anyone disagree?**
Faceup: For once, very impressed with your logic. If this is what you believe:
..One who believes in the Final Prophet & Final Revelation and follow his/her Taqleed & or, Tariqa (methodology)is a muslim...
Then I totally agree with you.
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CoolDude;
You are a child so I do not understand your purpose of giving advice as they have no foundation.
Are you still an idiot to believe that your sahihs written by hypocrits like Bukhari are completely authentic ? When most hadiths were written by munafiqs like Abu Huraira and kafirs like Muawayah ?
Where you yourself casted doubt on the hadith written in your own sahih bukahri about Umar calling the prophet delirious at his death bed.
You sunnis will never learn. Your prayers and all do not mean anything since you are all of those that are gumrah (misguided).
Not one of you sunnis have the talent to give opinions about the faults in your so called sham sahabahs.
Aisha, the vile and malicious woman, who was commanded by Allah (swt) to stay in her house led a battle with the holy Imam - against whom enmity is kufar. So what do you think Aisha is ?
CAN YOU SUNNIS ANSWER THIS ?
No, you all will avoid such topics, as I foresee you will do in response to this very message.
Was Aisha correct in her war with the holy imam - in which she fell in camel shit, lost the war (which she was destined to), and killed thousands of muslims whom SHE MIS-GUIDED ?
This is your most favourite wife of the prophet.
You all have delusions of grandeur. Your interpretations, your sahihs, and your beliefs are weak and mis-guided - as were your sham sahabahs - Abu Baker, Umar, and Usman the weak.
There is no Islam unless you accept the ahl bait, for loving and following them is loving and following the holy messenger (pbuh), which in turn is fulfilling Allah (swt)'s command.
You all pride on the fact that Usman compiled the holy Qur'an. If he was so smart, he would have been able to compile them in sequential order. But these lowly companions had no knowledge. Umar himself had said on several occassions that had it not been for Imam Ali (as), Umar would have been destroyed.
You sunnis have to get it in yr heads - the fountain of knowledge resides with the holy ahl bait. Knowledge from anyone else is wrong and mis-guided.
Hold on to the holy rope. Thus far, you sunnis have not understood the holy Qur'an simply because you have not been taught.
Gola Gunda;
The verse where the Qur'an says "And your Master is Allah, and the prophet, and the believers, those that give charity while in prostation" is how the verse 55:55 is translated - a clear reference to Imam Ali when he gave his ring to the beggar while he was in salat. GO ASK ANY UN-PREJUDICED SUNNI SCHOLAR FOR THE TRANSLATION
You looked at the Quranic translation of Yousuf Ali who himself was misguided. His translation "And your friend is Allah, the prophet, and believers who give charity and bow in prayers" is COMPLETE FALSEHOOD AND AN ATTEMPT TO DIVERT YOUR ATTENTION FROM THE ACTUAL MEANING.
But you sunnis have been doing this for 1400 years. You substituted Master for friend in the above verse, as you did when at Gadir Khum, you translated the prophet calling Imam Ali (as) the master of all believers to mean friend.
And by the way, It is absolute crap to state that not believing in Abu Baker is kufar. This is nothing but sunni concoction.
Let me tell you the holy Lady of Light, Fatima Zahra, said that she would curse Abu Baker till her death - which she did.
And I obey her, Fatima, the Master of women in paradise over your fictitious beliefs.
a11shah:
You have a right to your opinions. And I have a right to disagree with them. But that is besides the point.
Your submissions in this forum, valuable they might be, are extremely discourteous. I will not use such language, even if I am writing about Abu Jahl or Abu Sufiyan or any of the kuffars or anyone else for that matter. The reason is simple. It is upto Allah Ta'lla to decide how worthy or unworthy we are and not for us to pass judgements on others.
You are obviously a shia. I have read all the writings of Imam Jaffer Sadiq (Razi Allah Talla) and no where did I find him using any foul language about anyone. Ahl-e-Bayat, are to be extremely revered due to their relationship with Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), but in Islam it is Taqwa (piety) which determines superiority.
You have your views about Hazrat Abu Bakr (Razi Allah Talla) and Hazrat Ayesha (Razi Allah Talla). Those who believe in the slander of Hazrat Ayesha were warned in the Holy Quran with the following words:
(24.11) Surely they who concocted the lie are a party from among you. Do not regard it an evil to you; nay, it is good for you. Every man of them shall have what he has earned of sin; and (as for) him who took upon himself the main part thereof, he shall have a grievous chastisement.
In more detail, let me share with you an article on superiority of women. This article discusses both Hazrat Fatimah and Hazrat Aishah. I hope this is useful. It does contain lots of references to Ahadith...
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**Question: Could you provide me with more information on the Hadith below. Jazka'Allah Khair
Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari (R.A.A): Allah's Messanger (S.A.W) said, "Many amongst men attained perfection but amongst women none attained the perfection except Maryam (Mary), the daughter of 'Imran, and Asiya, the wife of Fir'aun (Pharaoh). And the superiority of Aishah to other women is like the superiority of Tharid (i.e., an Arabic dish) to other meals." Sahih Al-Bukhari- Volume 5 (Book 62)
Answer: Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:
The scholars differed as to the meaning of the perfection of women. Some said, it refers to Prophethood.
Ibn Hajar said in “al-Fath”:
“… it is as if he said: No women attained Prophethood except for So and so and So and so.” (al-Fath, 6/447).
This view is mistaken!
The refutation of this idea is as follows:
Some reports also add “… and Khadeejah bint Khuwaylid and Faatimah bint Muhammad.” (Narrated by at-Tabaraani). We know for sure that Khadeejah and Faatimah were not Prophets, but they are among the women who attained perfection. So what is meant by “women who attained perfection” is the perfection of close friendship with Allaah (wilaayah, the status of a wali), and not the perfection of Prophethood.
Al-Nawawi said:
Al-Qaadi said: this hadeeth is used as evidence by those who say that a woman could be a Prophet and that Aasiyah and Maryam were Prophets!
But the majority say that they were not Prophets; rather, they were Siddeeqahs [siddeeq: one who speaks or testifies to the truth] and waliyyahs (close friends of Allaah) from among the awliyaa’ of Allaah.
The word “perfection” is used to describe something that is the best, the ultimate in its class.
What is meant here is that they achieved the highest degree of virtue, righteousness and taqwaa.
And Allaah knows best. (Sharh Muslim, 15/198, 199).
Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah] said:
Al-Qaadi Abu Bakr, al-Qaadi Abu Ya’laa, Abu’l-Ma’aali and others mentioned that there was scholarly consensus that there could be no female Prophet. The Qur’aan and the Sunnah do not indicate that, as it says in the aayaat (interpretation of the meanings):
“And We sent not before you (as Messengers) any but men unto whom We revealed, from among the people of townships” [Yoosuf 12:109]
“The Messiah ‘Eesaa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddeeqah *
Here it is mentioned that the highest degree his mother reached was that of siddeeqah.
(Majmoo’ al-Fataawaa, 4/396).
Secondly: the hadeeth “Faatimah is the leader of the women of the people of Paradise except for Maryam bint ‘Imraan.” (Narrated by Ahmad, 11347. Its isnaad was classed as hasan by al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar in al-Fath, 7/111).
This hadeeth proves that Faatimah is better than Aasiyah. If Aasiyah had been a Prophet, Faatimah would not have been better than her, because Faatimah is not a Prophet.
Thirdly:
Al-Karmaani said:
The word “perfection” does not necessarily imply that she was a Prophet, because the word perfection is used to describe anything that is perfect or is the best in its class. So it means that she reached the highest degree in all the virtues that belong to women. (Al-Fath, 6/447). This is the correct understanding of the perfection of women referred to in the hadeeth.
Fourthly:
And the superiority of ‘Aa’ishah to other women is like the superiority of Thareed to other meals.
Ibn al-Qayyim said:
Thareed is composed of meat and bread. Meat is the best of those foods that are eaten with bread, and bread is the best of foodstuffs. If they are combined, there can be nothing better than that.
Zaad al-Ma’aad, 4/271.
Al-Nawawi said:
The ‘ulamaa’ said: it means that thareed is better than broth, and thareed with meat is better than broth without thareed, and the thareed that has no meat is better than broth. What is meant by better is that it is more nutritious, more filling, easier to digest, more enjoyable and easier to eat; a person may eat his fill of it quickly, and so on. It is better than all kinds of broth and all kinds of food. The superiority of ‘Aa’ishah over other women is great, as great as the superiority of thareed over other kinds of food. This does not clearly state that she is better than Maryam and Aasiyah; it could be that what is meant is that she is superior to the women of this ummah.
(Sharh Muslim, 15/199).
Ibn al-Qayyim said, discussing the relative merits of ‘Aa’ishah and Faatimah:
To say that one thing is better than another without discussing it in detail is not right. If by “better” I mean the one who has more reward from Allaah, this is something that cannot be known except through the text or report (al-nass), because it has to do with the deeds of the heart, not only the deeds of one's external faculties. How often have there been two people, one of whom did more visible deeds, but the other was of a higher status than him in Paradise.
If by “better” I mean the one who has more knowledge, then undoubtedly ‘Aa’ishah was more knowledgeable and brought more benefit to the ummah, for she conveyed knowledge to the ummah such as no one else conveyed and the leaders and rank-and-file of the ummah alike need her.
But if by “better” I mean of nobler birth and origin, then undoubtedly Faatimah is better, for she is a part of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This is something unique, which she shares only with her sisters.
If I mean leadership, then Faatimah is the leader of the women of this ummah.
When discussing the question of superiority from all aspects and approaches, this is fair and just.
When most people speak about who is better or superior, they do not discuss the matter in detail or take a balanced approach. This undermines the truth, and if it is compounded by bias or whims, it becomes ignorant and wrongful talk.
(Badaa’i’ al-Fawaa’id, 3/682, 683)
And Allaah knows best.**
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In conclusion, we should all show due respect in all our submissions. [Repeat] Please do not post submissions which insult great personalities in Islam, and only goes to show disrespect, the author's own ignorance and amal-e-shaytaan. Our knowledge on Islam is a miniscule of what our ulema have spent their lives learning, and we will do well, to either keep our mouth shut or to discuss things which increase our knowledge. Casting disrespect to any muslim, shia or sunni, or ahl-e-bayat or anyone is just to increase our own load of gunah, which we alone will be responsible to carry on the day of Qiyamat.
... and Allah Knows Best
Jazak Allah Khair
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The reason we must always be careful in our submissions is that it is always possible that we do not have complete knowledge about any topic. Shias, especially have a tendency to believe whatever is said to them in their majalis, without verifying those slanderous statements from the written works of their own Imam (Jaffer Saddiq) or any other eminent aalim, past or present.
I challenge them to show me any single reference on the feelings expressed by a11shah about Hazrat Abu Bakr and Aishah in any of the authentic written material by Imam Jaffer or any other eminent aalim or ulema. No scholar worthy of his salt will ever say such things about them. It is unthinkable.
Here is another article on the status of Hazrat Aishah, written by a prominent muslim aalim Sheikh Muhammad S. Al-Munajjid
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**Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
Among her (Aishah) unique characteristics is: that she was the dearest of the wives of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to him, as was reported from him in al-Bukhaari and elsewhere. He was asked, Which of the people is dearest to you? He said, ‘Aa’ishah. He was asked, Who among men (is dearest to you)? He said, Her father.
Also among her unique characteristics is: that he did not marry any other virgin apart from her.
Also among her unique characteristics is: that he did not receive Revelation in the bed of any of his wives apart from hers.
Also among her unique characteristics is: that when Allaah revealed the aayah commanding him to give his wives the choice, he started with her and gave her the choice first. He said, “You do not have to hasten until you have consulted with your parents.” She said, “Do I need to consult my parents concerning this? I choose Allaah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter.” The rest of his wives followed her example and said the same as she had said.
Also among her unique characteristics is: that Allaah declared her innocence of that of which the people of the slander (ahl al-ifk) accused her, and revealed words concerning her innocence that are recited in the mosques of the Muslims and during their prayers until the Day of Resurrection. Allaah Himself bore witness that she is one of the good women, and promised her forgiveness and a goodly provision. He, may He be glorified, stated that what was said about her in the slander was ultimately good for her, in the end it was not bad for her and did not do any harm to her status, because through this Allaah raised her status and her innocence is mentioned among the people of heaven and earth, which is an incomparably good thing.
Also among her unique characteristics is: that the greatest Sahaabah, when they were confused about some matter of religion, would consult her and would find the knowledge they were seeking with her.
Also among her unique characteristics is: that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died in her house, on her day, in her arms, and he was buried in her house.
Also among her unique characteristics is: that the angel showed her image to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) on a silk cloth before he married her. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “If this is from Allaah, then it will surely come to pass.”
Also among her unique characteristics is: that the people used to try to bring their gifts to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) on her day, seeking to draw close to the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). So they would bring him gifts of things that he liked, in the house of the one who was the dearest of his wives to him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). May Allaah be pleased with all his wives.
Jalaa’ al-Afhaam, pp. 237-241
And Allaah knows best.**
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Thanks for the input Pristine - i like the way you present your arguments with facts, .
A11Shah: Heard it all before.. Yawn
Shia this, Sunni that - yeah yeah yeah!
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I’ll answer you when you learn to have some common courtesy.
I never once heard any learned person in Islam, Shia or Sunni use the language that you do… And you call me a child?
Don’t make me laugh.
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And here is my last submission on this topic. This is the direct answer to Mr. Pakistani who posted the question in the first place. There are evidences and references here.
Whoever, especially any shias, who wish to reply, must quote authentic references of quran or ahadith quoted by any eminent scholar, to dispute any of the statements below. If you do not have any daleel, then don't reply with just blabbering of what you might have heard by some over-zealous speaker in your majlis. All references quoted below are taken from the works of authentic religious scholars and ulema, revered by followers of all four major sects of Islam.
Aa’ishah and the other Mothers of the Believers are included among the Companions of the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him), so every text that forbids slandering the Companions refers to ‘Aa’ishah too.
Abu Sa‘eed al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: ‘Do not slander my Companions, for if one of you were to spend an amount of gold equivalent to the size of Mount Uhud, you would not even come halfway up to their level." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3379).
Moreover, the scholars of Sunni Islam are all agreed that whoever condemns ‘Aa’ishah for that of which Allaah has stated she is innocent is a kaafir, because he has rejected Allaah’s statement of her innocence in Soorat al-Noor.
Imaam Ibn Hazm quoted a report with an isnad going back to Hishaam ibn ‘Ammaar, who said: "I heard Maalik ibn Anas say: ‘Whoever curses Abu Bakr should be whipped, and whoever curses ‘Aa’ishah should be killed.’ He was asked, ‘Why do you say that concerning (the one who curses) ‘Aa’ishah?’ He said, ‘Because Allaah says concerning ‘Aa’ishah, may Allah be pleased with her (interpretation of the meaning): "Allaah forbids you from it [slander] and warns you not to repeat the like of it forever, if you are believers." [al-Noor 24:17]’"
Maalik said: "Whoever accuses her goes against the Qur’aan, and whoever goes against the Qur’aan should be killed."
Ibn Hazm said: "This comment of Maalik’s is correct, and it is complete apostasy to reject Allaah’s words that clearly state her innocence."
Abu Bakr ibn al-‘Arabi said: "Because the people who slandered ‘Aa’ishah accused a pure and innocent person of immorality, then Allah exonerated her. So everyone who accuses her of that of which Allah has stated she is innocent is rejecting what Allah says, and everyone who rejects what Allah says is a kaafir. This is the opinion of Maalik, and the matter is very clear to those who have insight."
Al-Qaadi Abu Ya‘laa said: "Whoever slanders ‘Aa’ishah by accusing her of that of which Allah stated her innocence is a kaafir, without doubt. More than one imam stated this ijmaa‘ (consensus) and gave this ruling."
Ibn Abi Moosaa said: "Whoever accuses ‘Aa’ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, of that of which Allaah stated she was innocent has left the religion (is no longer a Muslim) and has no right to marry a Muslim woman."
Ibn Qudaamah said: "It is a part of the Sunnah to say ‘May Allah be pleased with her’ after mentioning the wives of the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him), Mothers of the Believers who are pure and innocent of any evil. The best of them are Khadeejah bint Khuwaylid and ‘Aa’ishah al-Siddeeqah bint al-Siddeeq, whose innocence was stated by Allah; (they are) the wives of the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) in this world and the next. Whoever accuses her of that of which Allah has stated her innocence has rejected the words of Allaah All-Mighty."
Imam al-Nawawi, may Allaah have mercy on him, said: "‘Aa’ishah’s innocence of that of which she was accused is stated definitively in the Qur’aan. If anyone doubts that (may Allah protect us from such a thing), he becomes a kaafir and an apostate, by the consensus of the Muslims."
Ibn al-Qayyim, may Allaah have mercy on him, said: "The ummah is agreed that whoever slanders her is a kaafir."
Al-Haafiz ibn Katheer said, in his Tafseer: "The scholars, may Allah have mercy on them, all agreed that whoever accuses or slanders her after the revelation of this aayah is a kaafir, because he has rejected the Qur’aan."
Badr al-Deen al-Zirkashi said: "Whoever slanders her is a kaafir, because the Qur’aan clearly states her innocence."
The scholars based their ruling on the one who slanders ‘Aa’ishah on the following evidence:
(1) The evidence that is derived from the verses in Soorat al-Noor that clearly state her innocence. So whoever accuses her after Allah has declared her innocent is rejecting the words of Allah, which is kufr beyond any shadow of a doubt.
(2) Slandering the family of the Prophet SAWS (peace be upon him) hurts and offends the Prophet himself, and there is no doubt that whatever hurts and offends the Prophet SAWS (peace be upon him) is kufr, by consensus (ijmaa‘). Evidence that the slander of his wife hurt and offended the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) is seen in the hadeeth of the slander (al-ifk) reported by al-Bukhaari and Muslim, in which ‘Aa’ishah says: ". . . The Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) stood up on that day and asked who would go and deal with ‘Abdullaah ibn Ubayy. He was on the minbar, and said: ‘O Muslims, who will deal with a man who I have heard is speaking in an offensive manner about my family? By Allaah, I know nothing but good about my family.’ . . ." What the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) meant was: who will be kind to me, and excuse me if I go and deal with him myself, and I give him what he deserves because I have heard that he is speaking in an offensive manner about my family. This proves that the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) was so deeply offended and hurt that he asked people whether they could deal with this person fairly.
Imaam al-Qurtubi said, in his Tafseer of the aayah "Allaah forbids you from it [slander] and warns you not to repeat the like of it forever, if you are believers." [al-Noor 24:17]":
"This is concerning ‘Aa’ishah . . . because of the hurt and offence that the Messenger of Allah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) felt with regard to his honour and his family. This is kufr on the part of the one who does it."
(3) Slandering ‘Aa’ishah implies insulting the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him), because Allah, may He be glorified, says (interpretation of the meaning): "Bad statements are for bad people (or bad women for bad men) and bad people for bad statements (or bad men for bad women). . . " [al-Noor 24:26]
Al-Haafiz ibn Katheer, may Allah have mercy on him, said: "I.e., Allah would not have made ‘Aa’ishah the wife of the Messenger of Allah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) if she had not been good, because he is better than any good person. If she had been bad, she would not have been fit to marry him from a shar‘i point of view, and Allah would never even have decreed it.."
Finally, let us remember that the most beloved of all people to him (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) was ‘Aa’ishah al-Siddeeqah bint al-Siddeeq, as is proven in the report of ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas, who said: "The Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) put me in charge of an army during the ghazwah (campaign) of al-Salaasil. I came to him and asked him, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, who among the people is most beloved to you?’ He said, ‘Aa’ishah.’ I asked, ‘Who among men?’ He said, ‘Her father.’ I asked, ‘Then who?’ He said, ‘‘Umar,’ then he mentioned a number of others."
So whoever feels hatred towards the beloved of the Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) will deserved to be despised by him on the Day of Resurrection.
...And Allaah knows best
[This message has been edited by Pristine (edited September 19, 2000).]
[6:159]
159. Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad SAW) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do.
[23:52]
52. And verily! This your religion (of Islamic Monotheism) is one religion, and I am your Lord, so keep your duty to Me.
But they (men) have broken their religion among them into sects, each group rejoicing in its belief.
So leave them in their error for a time.
Pristine;
As I foretold, you sunnis have once again avoided all of Aisha's evil behaviour such as
1) Fighting the holy Imam in the battle of Jamal.
2) Not obeying Allah and his prophet when the wives were commanded to stay in their houses.
3) Aisha being jealous of the wives of the prophet (pbuh) especially Khadija - THE BEST AND MOST LOVED OF HIS WIVES.
You quote a bunch of crap from yr idiot mullahs and from the same sahihs that are riddled with falsehood and you expect what - that we believe what they say.
These mullahs of yrs, as was Bukhari and company, were on the payrolls of the Umayads and Abbasids, so them praising thieves like Umar, Abu Baker, and his daughter, means nothing. Bunch of thugs.
Why don't you go to my earlier thread regarding Aisha where I have stated Quranic ayats showing where Allah (swt) has threatened Aisha and Hafsa with a divorce and promised the prophet that he would getter better wives instead of them.
And don't go accusing me of heresay Miss Pristine. Your sunni brothers on this forum jumped on my case then until I shut them up with the ayat.
Now please don't tell me that you don't know which ayat I am referring too.
You probably don't. Typical sunni who does nothing but quote from yr made up hadiths and avoids all ayats/hadiths that show the true nature of yr sham companions.
If you can't find the ayat - do let me know.
Staying away from the truth is yr sunnis nature.
Hey Cooldude, you are the last person I need advice from.
Cut and pasting quranic ayats of sect division is appropriate to yr munafiq ancestors who induldged in murder and rape and killed the true companions of the holy prophet (pbuh). You know who they are - yr good friends Muwayah and Yazid (Allah's curse be upon them).
I have dealt with manya sunnis like yrselves. You can do nothing but run from the truth or distort its true meaning.
Wa Salam.
Cool Dude and Pristine,
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I checked this hadith in Bukhari and was surprised because I was never informed about it before, even my father never told me about it. Dont you think its an insult to Prophet Mosa [A.S]? I really would never expect this hadith to be in our bukhari.
How dare Hazrat Abu Huraira (r.a) said that.
Volume 1, Book 5, Number 277:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, 'The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, ‘By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.’ So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, “My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, 'By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone.” Abu Huraira added, “By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating.”
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“IT DOES NoT MAKE SENSE…”
A11Shah: Contrary to your belief, I have love for Allah, Prophet Muhammed, His family and the sahabas.
You are an imperfect being, how can you be so sure on such weak facts?
And why are you so scared of the Quran.. it's the only thing ALL the muslims in this world agree upon.. Use it.
Coming back to the original Topic:
Here are the Quranic Ayats Mr Pakistani referred to:
[33:32]
32. O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy, or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner.
[33:33]
33. And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs (evil deeds and sins, etc.) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet SAW), and to purify you with a thorough purification.
Also consider the following:
[33:30]
30. O wives of the Prophet! Whoever of you commits an open illegal sexual intercourse, the torment for her will be doubled, and that is ever easy for Allah.
[33:31]
31. And whosoever of you is obedient to Allah and His Messenger SAW, and does righteous good deeds, We shall give her, her reward twice over, and We have prepared for her Rizqan Karima (a noble provision Paradise).
One question i'd like to ask:
If Allah is the greatest and the all-knower, what gives any human being in this world a right to judge another?
Brother Alishah and Cooldude,
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Lets cut this topic here. We have a whole lot more important issues than talk about Mutah, Hazrat Ayesha or any other controversial topic. Lets focus on more important issues like the implementation of Islamic values in today's world and the solution to our problems including the terrible condition of Muslim kids in Afganistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Bosnia and so on.
May Allah have mercy on us!!
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your bro,
Humble.