Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

I found this article interesting..in an od way it seemed to mirror some of the arguments going on in this forum recently..

Quake God’s punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

By Khalid Hasan

WASHINGTON: Farhat Hashmi, the controversial Pakistani Islamic fundamentalist, says those who died in the October 8 Pakistan earthquake were punished by God for their “immoral activities”.

In a weekend interview with a correspondent of the Toronto-based Globe and Mail newspaper, she said, “The people in the area where the earthquake hit were involved in immoral activities and God has said that he will punish those who do not follow his path.”

Hashmi recently moved to Canada with her family and has since set up teaching classes. She told her class of around 150 mostly young Pakistani women, all in white headscarves and black abayas, “We must understand why such calamities take place. The people in the are where the earthquake hit were involved in immoral activities, and God has said that he will punish those who do not follow his path.”

**Hashmi was immediately criticised by Tarek Fatah, communications director of the Muslim Canadian Congress, who said, “What sort of a sick mind would suggest that the over 20,000 Pakistani and Kashmiri children who were buried alive in their schools were ‘involved in immoral activities’?” **

He said Hashmi has now brought her wahabbi teachings to Canada where she has opened a private school for girls. She encourages segregation and defends polygamy. One of her students, a teenager, told the Globe and Mail: “It is better for a man to do things legally by taking a second wife, rather than having an affair.”

Fatah said, “Many Muslim Canadians are upset that this woman from Pakistan has been allowed to come into Canada to spread her message.” One such critic, Kausar Khan, a businesswoman, told the newspaper, “…why is this woman being allowed to bring her extremist views to our country? She poses a danger to us and our Canadian way of life.”

However, Hashmi is not without her admirers, one being Sheema Khan, president of the Canadian chapter of the Council for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) who told the same newspaper last year, “Ms Hashmi’s soothing style articulates a message of personal reform. She reminds listeners of God’s mercy and forgiveness - in stark contrast to the dire warnings of hellfire favoured by some mullahs.”

Fatah asks how the self-styled evangelist’s view on the earthquake victims be considered as “soothing” or reflecting “God’s mercy and forgiveness?”

Hashmi offers a 20-month course she calls Taleem-ul-Quran, claiming that she has come from Pakistan to enlighten young Muslim women about their religion. She counsels Muslim women to cover up, stay at home and accept their essentially subservient role when contrasted with men. She set up Al-Huda International in Pakistan in 1994 after taking a PhD in Islamic Studies from the University of Glasgow. He clientele in Pakistan – as in Canada – consists of middle and upper-middle-class women. She claims that 10,000 students have “graduated” from her course. She also travels to London and Dubai. She told the Canadian newspaper that she had moved to Toronto with her husband and family in response to demand for young women in the city to gain a deeper understanding of Islam. She charges a nominal fee of Canadian $60 a month. Five-hour classes take place four times a week.

She told the Globe and Mail correspondent, Sharmeen Obaid-Chinnoy, “My Canadian friends invited me here because they feel that there is an need to educate young Muslim girls in this society. They come to me for answers. I teach them the Quran, and they leave with a sense of peace.” Her impressionable young students appear to accept her highly conservative and textual interpretation of Islamic texts.

However, Kausar Khan feels alarmed at the possibility that the next generation of South Asian girls are embarking Dr Hashmi’s teachings. “We live in a secular society, where there is separation of religion and state. Then why is this woman being allowed to bring her extremist views to our country? She poses a danger to us and our Canadian way of life.”

Re: Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

She's an idiot for saying that. She doesn't no squat-all about who died and who didn't...deport her, she's useless.

BUT Tarek Fatah is an idiot who labels ANYTHING remotely related to conservative Islam as "wahabbi", and constantly cries to the media...not just for things like this, but for other things like our stance on homsexual marraiges and what not. He's a player...a face man...has no links to the community, and constantly directs his message to those on the outside.

Re: Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

assalamu 'alaikum

Please read this instead of the above article:

(Reflections on earthquakes)
© Abdal-Hakim Murad

***modified and abridged from the original article


Allah has names of Beauty: the Compassionate, the Merciful, the
Gentle, and many others. But He also has Names of Rigour: the
Overwhelming, the Just, the Avenger. The world in which we live
exists as the interaction and the manifestation of all of the divine
attributes. Hence it is a place of ease and of hardship, of joy and
of sorrow. It has to be this way: a world in which there was only
ease could not be a place in which we can discover ourselves to be
true human beings. It is only by experiencing hardship, and loss,
and bereavement, and disease, that we rise above our egos, and show
that we can live for others, and for principles, rather than only
for ourselves.

A feature of this world, this dunya, is therefore the existence of
catastrophe. Sometimes this catastrophe takes the form of a test: in
which case it may be a gift. At other times, however, it may take
the form of a punishment. The dunya is, as the athar states, `the
prison of the believer, and the paradise of the kafir.'

It is of God's mercy, and a proof of His providence, that any life
can exist at all. Were our planet to be a little further from the
sun, or a little closer, it would be uninhabitable. Were the sun's
rays to be of a slightly different composition, they would be
lethal. Were our planet a little bit smaller, it could not retain
the atmosphere necessary to preserve life. If it were bigger, the
force of gravity would ensure that the atmosphere would include not
only oxygen, carbon dioxide and nitrogen, but also heavier,
poisonous gases, like ammonia. The small size of the planet allows
these gases to escape.

It's a good deal; and how could one expect anything else from the
Lord of the Worlds? All we have to do is to thank Him; and in our
own, Islamic covenant, we have a formal way of doing this five times
a day. When we fail to do this, our hearts are dirtied, we are in a
state of imbalance, and we open ourselves up to calamity.

`Never does sexual immorality appear among a people, to the extent
that they make it public, without there appearing amongst them
plagues and agonies unknown to their forefathers.' (Imam Malik)

It is easy to see AIDS as an outright punishment for consuming drugs
or for sex outside marriage: that is too crude a view. Instead, the
hadith indicates that the Sunna is a protection for our kind, which
preserves us from breakdowns in the body's defence systems. And any
student of medicine will be aware of the extraordinary complexity of
the human immune system: the titanic battles fought between
pathogens and antibodies throughout our lives, in every cell of our
bodies. To the extent that we deny the Sunna, we unbalance that
system, and catastrophe follows. Hence 'innocent' victims are not
spared from this unbalance.

As Muslims we would insist that there is something deeper at work
when viewing calamities. Nothing occurs in the world, not even a
leaf dropping from a tree, that Allah is not fully aware of, and
that He has not decreed. And His decrees have meaning.

What was it that that man of the Salaf said?

`Know that when one of Allah's servants sins against Him, He deals
with him leniently. Should he sin again, He conceals this for him.
But should he don its garments, then Allah conceives against him
such wrath as the very heavens and the earth could not compass,
neither the mountains, the trees, nor the animals; what man could
then withstand such wrath?'

Hence, in repeated sinning we incur the wrath of God.

The earthquake was a test, no doubt. It is too crude a view to
regard a tragedy such as this earthquake as a straightforward divine
punishment. The Islamic view is more subtle. We believe that the
overwhelming forces of nature are only kept in check by Allah.
Without His providence, our pathetic bodies would survive not for
one instant amid the titanic powers of the universe.

But when we forget His providence, we become vulnerable.

Abu Hurayra radiya'Llahu anhu said:

The Prophet, salla'Llahu alayhi wa-sallam said: `The Hour shall not
come until knowledge is taken away, and earthquakes become common,
and time is always too short, and trials appear, and killing is
widespread, and until wealth becomes so abundant that it is
superfluous.' (Bukhari)

But the Lord is merciful.

His mercy is expressed, despite our waywardness, in so many ways.
There is the hadith, for instance, that states that whoever dies
tahta al-radm, under fallen masonry, is a shaheed, a martyr. So
those who have died so horribly in Pakistan and India can be
considered shuhada. Many ulema there have confirmed this judgement.

We need to find shelter in the Divine protection. And the road back
to that place is called tawba (repentance). For the surviving
people, and for the world. We need to repent of our frenzied
enthusiasm for the mechanical pleasures of today's world. Watching
the disgusting exhibitions of human egos on television while our
neighbours are lonely is not the way of Muslims. A hadith tells us
that the Muslim is not he who sleeps well-fed while his neighbour is
hungry.

We ask Allah subhanahu ta`ala to grant us the gift of tawba, for us
here, and for all Muslims.

May He forgive us our weaknesses and our secret faults, and our
laziness in serving Him.

May He grant us love and brotherhood for one another, and give us
the blessing of common action against what threatens us all.

May He empty our hearts of suspicion and pride, and of the love of
dispute, and unite us in the service of Islam and the Muslims.

Re: Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

if it is not punishment then it is a warning for all of us..those people who justify earthquake just by science have only 1 thing to say tht y quake did not strike karachi and lahore...oh come n..give a dam break...it is not even "ok"statement to deal with...

all of us need to make our atitude correct...

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Daily Times is a liar and is mis-quoting her. A lady of the calibre of Farhat Hashmi can never say such a thing. Anybody who is a student of religion knows that it was a 'warning' as Allah does not punish by wiping off nations like it was for previous nations.

Miss farhat Hashmi's work has given enlightenment to thousands of Muslim women.

Re: Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

Can any of the Canadian Gupppies who have access to Globe and Mail.com kindly trace and attach Dr Hashmi's interview. Thanks

Re: Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

If it was a punishment for immoral activities, why did lil kids die? Why dint it happen in karachi or lahore, where many mor “immoral” activities take place in the name of being “modern” and “enlightened” and emulating the West? :rolleyes:

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how these verse can be interpreted?

YUSUFALI: Those before them did also plot (against Allah’s Way): but Allah took their structures from their foundations, and the roof fell down on them from above; and the Wrath seized them from directions they did not perceive.
PICKTHAL: Those before them plotted, so Allah struck at the foundations of their building, and then the roof fell down upon them from above them, and the doom came on them whence they knew not;
SHAKIR: Those before them did indeed devise plans, but Allah demolished their building from the foundations, so the roof fell down on them from above them, and the punishment came to them from whence they did not perceive.

Re: Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

Rvikz, I understand you only know how to search, copy and paste articles/verses regarding Islam, as you don't have ANY knowledge so stay away from posing as a scholar. These verses are about nations who rejected the religion presented to them by a Prophet and they rejected it in his lifetime then God warned them so those who didn't pay heed were destroyed by God. Kashmir didn't see any Prophet (in our known records/history) and didn't "reject" him so these verses do not apply (IMO), may Allah swt guide us all.

Re: Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

thats why aske you how to interpret? never calimed arab linguist

Re: Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

such (mine) comments have been posted before if you really 'learn' on this forum.

Re: Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

repeatign what i have said so many times earlier…

do u think nations that were destroyed before (that of Noah, of Lot, of Thamud, of Aad) had no children in them???
do u really believe that those nations had only adults in them???
if not, why do u think their children were to be killed and ours spared???

every nation has its appointed time for the ‘azaab’…
erhaps their time was due and other places yet have time to either face it or repent and save themselves from it…

why is it so hard to digest that this cud be a wrath of Allah??? :rolleyes:

Re: Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

Armughal, read the bolded part, there is a difference in “cud” and “is”, don’t you think?

Re: Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

how god can punish nations with mixed religens? i never seen earthquakes just only kills
who dont belong to "true" relgien

Re: Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

^^

The ones on the true path are always the most tested...Do you forget the trials of the children of Israel?

Re: Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

armughal well said..
i dont understand y people say "y did not quake hit karachi or lahore"

oh come on,its cannot even refer to "ok" statement...
if the same quake had striked karachi,then 5 million people would have died just in few seconds...our mari howi economy would have crushed...more then half million people would have lost their hands or legs wht eva...the devastation would have been so enormous tht god knows wht would have happen to pakistan....

ALLAH has sent us a warning signal...so we may correct our atitude......
and this earthquake is not on the "nation"..for ALLAH,muslims r 1 nation and quake affected people r not even 0.2 of muslim population...

Re: Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

Correcting our habits is very difficult whereas criticizing Allah's will is very easy.

Re: Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

No children were explicitly identified…perhaps that was one of their downfalls…engaging in bizzare sexual behavior and producing no offspring…speculation on your part.

Was this the time for Kashmir? More speculation…

Because it very well may not be…God does what he pleses, but what we can’t stand are self righteous arse-wholes putting down the VICTIMS when they have NO PROOF that they were doing anything wrong…aisde from watching cable TV of course…and so assuredly proclaiming insight into devine will…

:nook: This logic is illogic…

Re: Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

does god or nature want to keep the human or animal population at a balance by creating all kind of virus and bacteria keeping ahead of sceince?

Re: Quake punishment for ‘immoral activities’: Farhat Hashmi

Are you his prophet? How do you know? Why didn’t you warn the people of Kashmir then?