Re: Quaid e Azam's statements on Palestine/Israel issue
^^ and you seem to be naive or as Arabs would call you, a Rafiq
Re: Quaid e Azam's statements on Palestine/Israel issue
Mr Jinnah converted to Islam in the end.....so please don't call him a non-believer. And Allah knows whats in the hearts.
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^^ and similarly how many Arabs were making speeches in regards to Kashmir being a part of Pakistan?
Why should Pakistan always fight for other people but those people never stick out their necks for Pakistan?
exactly, pakistan needs to look out for itself and stop wasting its time trying to help ungrateful arab countries who wudnt even lift a finger to help us
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Mercenray---you have one sided understanding about world-politics.
The largest Gulf country named--Saudi Arabia--also the home of Ummah ideology---is the strongest ally of Pakistan.
Only lately Kind Abdullah visited India, later in reports it was evident that Pakitsan might offer "nukes" to Saudis in future if required-- so you can imagine how strong is the relations. Also Pakitsan receives a lot of financial "Aid" from saudis
Also UAE has much better relations with Pakitsan than India---thanks to failure of BJP government in handling Dawood Ebrahim case when he was in UAE and escaped to Pakistan??, they rubbed UAE government for this, I guess.
India's support to Palestine is genuine, because Palestine's cause is genuine.
Good relations with Israel has not limited India's stand on this.
arab relations with pakistan are artificial, the arabs look out for their own self-interest only and that is in india because of its economic power, arab dont give a crap about muslim brotherhood its all just lipservice
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arab relations with pakistan are artificial, the arabs look out for their own self-interest only and that is in india because of its economic power, arab dont give a crap about muslim brotherhood its all just lipservice
Agreed. That's why Pakistan should normalize relations with Israel.
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There are many things I disagree with Quaid-a-Azam.
He ate pork, drank alcohol and never protested British rule in India and thus was never jailed unlike the Gandhi and Nehru.
And in my opinion the creation of Pakistan was a mistake.
It divided Muslims and thus made us weak where a united India with Pakistan and Bangladesh, we muslims would be more than 45% of India's population and Hindus could have never subjucated us like they are doing to our brethren in India.
So ya, there are a lot of things I disagree with Qaid-a-Azam.
when I said the same thing they called me religious fanatic..........
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according to hadees..a man who free one slave..jannah is wajib on him....Jinnah freed 7 crore muslims from British and Hindu rules...so now you you yourself imagine...and milliosn of us..off-spring of Jinnah are also free due to him.....
and Mercenary.... go and ask the gujrati muslims of india...that what is independence and independent country then you will know..Pakistan was a mistake or not...By the way...prophet(pbuh) special intetion was on Pakistan in 1947 and he said to various people very early before 1947 that Pakistan will be created....and this dear country came into being on 27 Ramzan,...Shab-e-Qadar.....
you people are under influence of propganda of Altaf Terrorist and some Roshan khayyal..so you people are talking like that....
We love our country..and thanks God...Jinnah created a seperated country forus...and we are the first class citizen of our country...not 3 class of that as indian muslims are....see the reports of indian human rights and NGOs how muslims are targeted and not given any respectful jobs...go and see in india..how muslims poorly are living mostly...now you have seperate country...you are talking like that...ask a paleetanian...kurds...or Bihari Bangladeshi..they will tell you what seperate conutry means....
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And dont call waht other did....look what you do...apnai garaiban mai hanko.....
Allah will not ask what Jinnah did..Allah will ask what you did...Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi in 1939...i think..saw Jinnah ..in the dream ..with prophet(pbuh) and other sahabs and said that although he has not beard ...but his heart is boiling with muslim love...
Dont pass judgements about anybody..unless you have not seen yourself him eating pork or drinking...as in Quran and hadees....if something happened in youth and he made tauba...then who are you now to object him...even man like Umar Farooq(ra) was a great Drinker....but after tauba..what he did..you know better than me....
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yeah.....jinnah had a beard in his heart. Maulana ashraf ali thanvi saw jinnah in a dream and.....?
Are you trying to say that Jinnah is equal to Prophet(SAW) and Sahaba(ra)?
And when did Prophet Muhammad(SAW) mention about Pakistan?
And who are you calling off-spring of Jinnah? Because off-spring of Jinnah is living in US and married to a non muslim according to news papers.
And you are so proud...you are calling your self 1st class citizen and others as 3rd class.
And Umer(ra) was a drinker like other Sahabah but only before the hurmat of Khumar. So don't try to compare Jinnah with Umer(ra).
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sis...cool...:)
when anybody saw Jinnah in dream ..its mean ..he is equal to prophet(pbuh) or sahabs ???????????
Nooh(as) son did not listen to his father..so its mean NOOH (as) is responsible ??????????????
umar (ra) and jinnah ..no comparison...but tauba removes every sin.........
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sis...cool...:)
when anybody saw Jinnah in dream ..its mean ..he is equal to prophet(pbuh) or sahabs ???????????
No
Nooh(as) son did not listen to his father..so its mean NOOH (as) is responsible ??????????????
No
umar (ra) and jinnah ..no comparison...but tauba removes every sin.........
Yes, but I'm not saying that Jinnah was a kaafir or he'll be in hell-fire.
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Arabs are the most racist qaum of all time. Pakistani's need to wake up and smell the coffee and move on from this crap of "they are our brothers". These so called brothers stab us in the back every chance they get. If they really wanted to help muslims across the world, they would be setting up institutions for higher education, research and Islamic studies.
M2k, criticizing MA Jinnah for not protesting british rule is akin to you not protesting Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine.
Re: Quaid e Azam's statements on Palestine/Israel issue
There are many things I disagree with Quaid-a-Azam.
He ate pork, drank alcohol and never protested British rule in India and thus was never jailed unlike the Gandhi and Nehru.
And in my opinion the creation of Pakistan was a mistake.
It divided Muslims and thus made us weak where a united India with Pakistan and Bangladesh, we muslims would be more than 45% of India's population and Hindus could have never subjucated us like they are doing to our brethren in India.
So ya, there are a lot of things I disagree with Qaid-a-Azam.
exactly
Re: Quaid e Azam's statements on Palestine/Israel issue
Arabs are the most racist qaum of all time. Pakistani's need to wake up and smell the coffee and move on from this crap of "they are our brothers". These so called brothers stab us in the back every chance they get. If they really wanted to help muslims across the world, they would be setting up institutions for higher education, research and Islamic studies.
M2k, criticizing MA Jinnah for not protesting british rule is akin to you not protesting Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine.
And when do I not protest Israeli occupation of Palestine?
The problem is that most discussions soon evolve into Israel's right to exist and people like Prince Abbas calling for its destruction.
So the core issue is never addressed.
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^ I am glad that you recognize that Israel is indeed occupying the land illegally.
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^^ well obviously.
but we must remember how Israel came to occupy that land.
It was in 1967 when arabs launched their disastarous war which led to sinai, golan heights, west bank, east jerusalem and gaza being in Israeli control.
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when I said the same thing they called me religious fanatic..........
It's no surprise that religious fanatics and other anti-Islam forces were all against the creation of our country.
When it comes to Pakistan, both are hand in hand.
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The enemies of Pakistan and its founders may hate us as much as they like, but it is proven beyond doubt for every patriotic Pakistani that the Father of our Nation was absolutely against having any contacts with the Apartheid regime of Zionist usurpers.
And now that Musharraf talks of "Quaid's Pakistan", I wonder then how come he talk of recognizing Israel without the return of millions of original inhabitants of Palestine, without Zionists giving away the occupied lands, and with Zionists occupying Islam's holiest places.
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Its not only holy to Muslims, but it is the location of the most holy site of Judiasm, their Kabaa and for Christians as well.
So Muslims cannot claim the whole of Jerusalem for their own.
Forget about whole of Jerusalem. We Muslims are claiming what was ours a few decades back. We are claiming East Jerusalem which is still considered an occupied territory, alongside West Bank and Gaza Strip.
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^^ and with that I got no problem
East Jerusalem, West Bank and Gaza should be given back to the Palestinians and all settlements dismantled