Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah - The Founder of Islamic (Not Secular) Pakistan

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Let me reannounce my challenge to all Secular Extremists

Give me One Quote..... I repeat One Quote from either the Founder of Pakistan Mohammad Ali Jinnah or....the Architect of Pakistan Dr Allama Iqbal....where they denied connection between state and Islam and said that Pakistan will not be an Islamic State

I am increasing the prize money from 500 -1000 Dollars. I will pay by paypal. Open for all give it a try folks!

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Re: Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah - The Founder of Islamic (Not Secular) Pakistan

please answer my previous post.

Caring for Elderly Parents
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I did answer your post scroll up please. An Islamic Democratic states guarantees provisions for human rights,democracy, equality and justice.

Also, if you have more personal questions....we can go 1 vs 1 in private emails. But I would apreciate if we remain more focused on :

" THE VISION OF IQBAL AND MOHAMMAD ALI JINNAH ABOUT PAKISTAN"

Thats the prime aim of this thread. My Believes, your opinions, Jack's choices, John's likes and Harry's Favorites are not what we want to discuss here.

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And we don't give two hoots about YOUR understanding of Jinnah and Iqbal

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Its not my understanding scroll up and read all the quotes. These are authentic quotes with dates and references to the occassions when they were said. Not some hoodboy or.....goodboy badboy opinions.

I am not here to impose my understanding . Let the People decide...People are intelligent enough !;)

My Job was to post the quotes of Iqbal and Jinnah and i have done what i wanted!

The Challenge remains open :

One Quote..... I repeat One Quote from either the Founder of Pakistan Mohammad Ali Jinnah or....the Architect of Pakistan Dr Allama Iqbal....where they denied connection between state and Islam and said that Pakistan will not be an Islamic State

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No you havent, I want to discuss Jinnah's vision. Show me one quote where Jinnah or Iqbal said that no one will be allowed to shave, no one will be allowed to listen to music, no women will be allowed to come out of their house, anyone disagrreing with Jinnah's version of Islam will simply be murdered. Show me, and try to answer the questions raised.

Show me Jinnah's quote supporting such barbaric way of life and I will give you $1000.

Also tell me do you think that Taliban's version of ruling the masses ( I wont call it islam as it is not) is what Jinnah wanted. A simple yes or no.

pehali
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Music , shaving , taliban, Sudan, darfur, Mullah omer......etc etc have nothing to do with my thread kid.....

Please dont dilute my thread with off topics and tangents.

If u want to discuss topics like shaving , music etc etc open an another thread and I promise i will contribute there

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Yeah I see, you conveniently ignoring post no. 4 in this thread which very clearly illustrates what Jinnah wanted for Pakistan; not a theocracy or mullah state.

How tragic for Pakistan that Jinnah's words were so callously ignored

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I see, trying to get personal when you cant answer simple question, tells a lot about you. Jinnah was a great man he would have never supported animals which are roaming in Swat now, how much you try to link his personality to these animals. In fact it is an insult that you are doing this to our nation and to this great man. Shame on you.

My offer still stands show me one quote where Jinnah would have supported such inhuman behaviour by these animals and I will give you $1000, otherwise stop all this nonsense.

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Re: Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah - The Founder of Islamic (Not Secular) Pakistan

Agreed; Zia made a mockery of Islamic laws e.g deduction of Zakat on Savings account =>which implies Zakat on Interest income, absolute mockery of Islamic Economic system

"Seperation of state & Church" is a logical corollary to Secularism . However,the fundamental principle of secularism is that divine commandments cannot be accepted as valid arguments for ascertaining righteousness & for all matters influencing the collective sphere of society; only human rationality & empirical evidence will be the basis on which moral & value judgments will be decreed. Debating on the merits or de-merits of secularism is a different debate ,my argument is that how can a movement whose foundation was based on the rejection of the concept of nation-statehood , an ideology that argued religion to be the basis of separate identity be reconcilable to a system that rejects divinity to be a justifiable basis for any argumentation in the collective sphere of life.

The greatest proof negating your assertions is the objective resolution passed by the constituent assembly in 1949 ,
"Whereas sovereignty over the entire universe belongs to Allah Almighty alone and the authority which He has delegated to the State of Pakistan, through its people for being exercised within the limits prescribed by Him is a sacred trust;"
This is the first line of objective resolution which is still the preamble to the constitution of Pakistan 1973 & has been for every constitution since its initial adoption , is the most resounding negation to the concept of human sovereignty (as supposed to devine sovereignty).

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Please be foucsed this thread is not taliban vs army thread. I am going to rest for a while caz i cannot answer every childish reply. Come up with some scholarly reply with quotes, references and dates.

Its very typical of secular fanatics that when they cannot negate an argument they jump on XYZ things like Shaving, Taliban, Sudan, Somalia and so on...........

I am going to hibernate till some intellectual reply comes.

Peace Now......

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Re: Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah - The Founder of Islamic (Not Secular) Pakistan

^ Yup that is what I expected. Bye.

Wht r u doing ?
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Re: Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah - The Founder of Islamic (Not Secular) Pakistan

Go easy on bitter guys. He is after his previous lies were exposed on this forum.

Here is where he was caught in his web of lies:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/316144-blast-mosque-2.html#post6423418

He claimed his personal sources in army and ISI admitted to blowing up schools, yet he ran away when statements from talib leaders were posted saying they blow up schools. :hehe:

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the Taliban have long failed on these basic rights. their interpretation of religion does not allow tolerance of other muslims, let alone minorities.

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because these actions are the typical actions of the taliban, who propogate islam. their claim theiur version of shariah allows this. so this is what we will expect to see in an islamic state under them.

Jinnah's own sister Fatima played an active role in politics, and she wore a dupatta not a burqa. jinnah did not keep a beard. jinnah wore western clothes more i believe.

we dont need to come up with scholary replies when we see those who YOU SUPPORT in action in the media day in, day out.

does islam allow people like mesud and azfullah to kill innocent civilians , to attack public places? why have they turned the region into a hell fire for poor muslims?

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Request to Moderators

Dear Moderators can you please split the second page from my thread caz its off topic
and open an other thread with khekeshan or** the Joke** as its starter and title it** " Taliban Vision of Islam " etc etc**

Because the prime purpose of my thread was Quaid-e-Azam and Iqbal's Vision of Pakistan but somehow over excited people have spotted a Taliban here...and have made it another one of those typical Taliban vs Good guys Thread.

Please Take action and preserve the essence of my Post. I repeatedly tried to explain them to stay within the confinements of the topic but some people hijacked the entire thread with another discussion.

Double Letters
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I dont think the thread should be split as the discussion is very relevant as to how Jinnah viewed Pakistan as a Muslim nation, as followers of true Islam or the barbaric and unislamic version of Taliban.

Should I feel insecure?
Should I feel insecure?
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Itni jaldi bhagney ki zarwat nahi hai...after getting exposed in your own lies.

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Re: Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah - The Founder of Islamic (Not Secular) Pakistan

[note]Please discuss the topic. All voice chats directed toward others members are against the PA rules. There is voice gallery for that. Off topic posts have been moved & are being review by mods/admin[/note]

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Once again , you have showed biased moderation , you just removed my posts where i complained about my thread being hijacked . The Thread still have posts by others that are off topic.

You are unfit as moderator!