Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah - The Founder of Islamic (Not Secular) Pakistan

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Many Secular Pro Western . Self Haters and Pakistan Bashers preach Pakistan to be secular.

What did our founders strive for? Great Leaders like Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah and Allama Iqbal?

In this thread I will post extracts from speechs of these great leaders where they clearly stated that Islam will be the foundation block and supreme law of Pakistan.

Defence exhibits presented Below:

In his speech at the Frontier Muslim League Conference on November 21, 1945 Quaid-e-Azam said,* “We have to fight a double-edged battle, one against the Hindu Congress and the other against British Imperialists, both of them being capitalists. The Muslims demand Pakistan where they could rule according to their own code of life and according to their own cultural growth, traditions, and** Islamic Laws.”***

In a Broadcast talk to the people of the United States of America, recorded in February 1948, Quaid-e-Azam said: “The Constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principles of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framer of future constitution of Pakistan"

Speech of Quaid-e-Azam Agaisnt Capitalism

In his Presidential Address delivered at the Annual Session of the All-India Muslim League, Delhi on 24 April 1943, said, “Here, I should like to give a warning to the* landlords and capitalists** who have flourished at our expense by a system which is so vicious, which is so wicked and which makes them so selfish that it is difficult to reason with them. The exploitation of the masses has gone into their blood. They have forgotten the lessons of** Islam**. Greed and selfishness have made these people subordinate to the interests of others in order to fatten themselves. It is true we are not in power today. You go anywhere to the countryside. I have visited villages. There are millions and millions of our people who hardly get one meal a day. Are these civilizations aim Pakistan. Do you visualize that millions have been exploited and cannot get one meal a day. If that is the Idea of Pakistan, I would not have it. If they are wise they will have to adjust themselves to the new modern conditions of life. If they won’t, God helps them: we shall not help them.”*

And the final Punch on all secular extremists

During the Allahabad session of the All-India Muslim League in 1942 when he was asked as to what type of state Pakistan would be. He replied:

“It will be an Islamic state on the pattern of the Medina state with human rights, liberalism, democracy and complete tolerance and freedom of conscience to all citizens without any distinction of colour, creed, language, and race as granted by the Prophet of Islam Muhammad (peace be upon him) to Christians, Jews, idol worshippers and all others. Justice, brotherhood, liberty, equality and fraternity will reign supreme.”

Pakistan was made in name of Islam and our great ancestor repeatedly said that Quran will be supreme law of Pakistan and thats why we are called " ISLAMIC DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN"

Open challenge to All Anti Islamic and Anti Pakistan Secular extremists : " Prove it wrong and I’ll pay you 500 dollars"

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A guideline by Mohammad Ali Jinnah - The founder of Pakistan for economic system of Pakistan

"How must the New Pakistan be governed? We must work our destiny in our own way and present to the world an economic system based on true Islamic concept of equality of manhood and social justice. We will thereby be fulfilling our mission as Muslims and giving to humanity the message of peace which alone can save it and secure the welfare, happiness and prosperity of mankind” opening ceremony of State Bank of Pakistan, 1948

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To colclude .....I am going to make a statement...please note down my nick, time and date so you guys can quote me ;

Paklinks, Sunday, Apri 26, 2009, bitter-reality said ;

" The Quaid-e-Azam had founded Pakistan on the golden principles of Islam. He wanted such leadership to lead the country as could put the country on the path of progress and prosperity by implementing Islam with a democratic vision"

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Secularism does not mean la-deeniyat. A secular state is about creating a level playing field for all beliefs and religions, and not about denigrating or suppressing any one of them.

Quaid-e-Azam was an educated, progressive leader who wanted to see Pakistan as a prosperous modern muslim state where people of all religions enjoyed the same rights and privileges and were free to practice their respective faiths provided they abided by the constitution of the country. He never envisaged a shariah state or theocracy governed by narrow-minded and backward-thinking hypocritical mullahs as some of you would have us believe. Remember these same mullahs notably Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad and Maulana Maudoodi were against the creation of a separate state for muslims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinnah

Policy Speech on 11 August 1947:

**"**There is no other solution. Now what shall we do? Now, if we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous, we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well-being of the people, and especially of the masses and the poor. If you will work in co-operation, forgetting the past, burying the hatchet, you are bound to succeed. If you change your past and work together in a spirit that everyone of you, no matter to what community he belongs, no matter what relations he had with you in the past, no matter what is his colour, caste or creed, is first, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges, and obligations, there will be no end to the progress you will make. I cannot emphasize it too much. We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities, the Hindu community and the Muslim community, because even as regards Muslims you have Pathans, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on, and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalis, Madrasis and so on, will vanish. Indeed if you ask me, this has been the biggest hindrance in the way of India to attain the freedom and independence and but for this we would have been free people long long ago. No power can hold another nation, and specially a nation of 400 million souls in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time, but for this. Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State. As you know, history shows that in England, conditions, some time ago, were much worse than those prevailing in India today. The Roman Catholics and the Protestants persecuted each other. Even now there are some States in existence where there are discriminations made and bars imposed against a particular class. Thank God, we are not starting in those days. We are starting in the days where there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State. The people of England in course of time had to face the realities of the situation and had to discharge the responsibilities and burdens placed upon them by the government of their country and they went through that fire step by step. Today, you might say with justice that Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist; what exists now is that every man is a citizen, an equal citizen of Great Britain and they are all members of the Nation. Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State." Jinnah, 11th August 1947 - presiding over the constituent assembly.

Similarly, Jinnah had indeed come out forcefully against theocracy:

“Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims-Hindus, Christians and Parsis – but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan.” [Feb. 1948, Jinnah’s broadcast address to the people of the United States of America]

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Rejected !

Reason : " Failed to convey that pakistani would not be an Islamic state".

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bhyy Who is saying Pakistan is not an islamic state but we don't want to see a mullah state along the lines of Iran, Somalia, Sudan or Taliban. The grim and painful consequences are there for everyone to see. We do not wish to mix religion and governance of the state....period

For Ehsan Uncle
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Now I wil present **Dr Allama Iqbal’s **Work where he clearly wanted Islam to be founding blocks of Pakistan

In his presidential address on December 29, 1930, Iqbal outlined a vision of an independent state for Muslim-majority provinces in northwestern India. This is what he said:

"I would like to see the *Punjab](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_(British_India)), *North-West Frontier Province](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North-West_Frontier_Province), Sind](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sind_province_(1936-1955)) and Baluchistan](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baluchistan_(Chief_Commissioners_Province)) amalgamated into a single state. Self-government within the *British Empire](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire), or without the British Empire, the formation of a consolidated Northwest Indian Muslim state appears to me to be the final destiny of the Muslims, at least of Northwest India.unlike *Christianity](Christianity - Wikipedia)*, **Islam *came with “legal concepts” with “civic significance,” with its “religious ideals” considered as inseparable from social order: “therefore, the construction of a policy on national lines, if it means a displacement of the Islamic principle of solidarity, is simply unthinkable to a Muslim”

In his Rumuz-e-Bekhudi (Hints of Selflessness), Iqbal seeks to prove that Islamic way of life is the best code of conduct for a nation’s viability. A person must keep his individual characteristics intact but once this is achieved he should sacrifice his personal ambitions for the needs of the nation. Man cannot realise the “Self” out of society. Also in Persian and published in 1917, this group of poems has as its main themes the ideal community, Islamic ethical and social principles and the relationship between the individual and society. Although he is true throughout to Islam, Iqbal recognises also the positive analogous aspects of other religions. The Rumuz-e-Bekhudi complements the emphasis on the self in the Asrar-e-Khudi and the two collections are often put in the same volume under the title Asrar-e-Rumuz (Hinting Secrets), and it is addressed to the** world’s Muslims**. Iqbal sees the individual and his community as reflections of each other. The individual needs to be strengthened before he can be integrated into the community, whose development in turn depends on the preservation of the communal ego. It is through contact with others that an ego learns to accept the limitations of its own freedom and the meaning of love. Muslim communities must ensure order in life and must therefore preserve their communal tradition. It is in this context that Iqbal sees the vital role of women, who as mothers are directly responsible for inculcating values in their children.

Allama Iqbal always concentrated on spiritual and religious subjects, and publishing poetry and literary works. He became active in the Anjuman-e-Himayat-e-Islam, a congress of Muslim intellectuals, writers and poets as well as politicians, and in 1919 became the general secretary of the organisation.

I am sure he he was alive today , he would have been called a terrorist by secular extremist for joining Anjuman-e-Himayat-e-Islam.

Iqbal was a strong critic of Western society’s separation of religion from state and what he perceived as its obsession with materialist pursuits.

The poetry and philosophy of Mawlana Rumi bore the deepest influence on Iqbal’s mind. Deeply grounded in **religion **since childhood, Iqbal would begin intensely concentrating on the study of Islam, the culture and history of Islamic civilization and its political future, and embrace Rumi as “his guide.” Iqbal would feature Rumi in the role of a guide in many of his poem

Some secular parties like **MQM **criticise Allama Iqbal for implicitly endorsing the incompatibility of Muslims with other religious communities but the fact remains that our founding leader always wanted Islam in Pakistan

Now the big question is ; " If Pakistan was supposed to be secular as per these pro Mqm secular extremist then, what was the need of separating from Secular Britist India? India is secular till today!" and why did mqm migrated from India to Pakistan?

**Suggestion for Secular Extremists: **If you don’t want Islam in Pakistan then Please go back to Secular India because the creator , our greatleaders and ancestor made it for islam and Yes we are ISLAMIC FIRST and thats why its well documented in our Constitution that the full name of Pakistan is " ISLAMIC DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN"

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Please don't deviate...this is not a thread meant to discuss** somalia or Afghanistan**. Can you be more focused. I request you not to spoil my thread with unrelated XYZ issues. If you want to post comments on Sudan or Taliban please open a separate thread and I promise i will contribute to your thread

Thanks

For Asif.
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Pakistan was not founded as an Islamic State and nor was its constitution derived from Quran or Shaira.

It was a secular democracy for Muslims of India.

It was only Zia and his cronies which embedded buffonish twisted Islamic Laws.

Among the shining examples the Hudood Laws.

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Chalo bana lo Islamic rebulic

Jab bun gaee to bata dena yaar

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Totally agreed

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Anything to support that?

Most of what i have read from Jinnah and Iqbal voices support for a Pakistan that is built on the principles of Islam (and yes in spirit it may very well be secular, true secularism not the "selective" one).

are we confusing secular Pakistan with Saudi? because Pakistan was to become an example that even Saudi monarchy can take inspiration from because it would implement policies according to the truest spirit of Islam where minorities have state protection and the state protects all their God given rights.

In the last speech Jinnah gave before falling extremely ill and then passing away (May Allah bestow mercy on him and be pleased with him), he criticized the western banking system of interest. This speech was given at the opening ceremony of State Bank if i'm not mistaken, and he warned against adopting the western model of banking. I will try and find that speech for you if i can...

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Lol good question but he doesnt have any quotes or references....its just his personal opinion....personal opinions can be 1 million...for instance a person might have this opinion that there are winged cows that can fly......or there are unicorns that roam in blackforest. Imaginations have no limits :)

These type of morons will do two things...when they get outwitted.....

  1. Will either get personal

  2. or will try to deviate from the topic

Its very typical of mercenary2k.....just ignore him

Imagine that i presented like 10's of quotes of Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah and Allama Iqbal as proof of my argument.......and then this kid mercenary2k jumps in with his foolish attitude

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You are right he wanted Pakistan based on human rights, liberalism, democracy and complete tolerance and freedom as stated above and that is why those dark evil forces who negate everything enshrined in this quote need to be dealt with starting with the intolerant, backward and anti Islam Taliban.

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“It will be an Islamic state on the pattern of the Medina state with human rights, liberalism, democracy and complete tolerance and freedom of conscience to all citizens without any distinction of colour, creed, language, and race as granted by the Prophet of Islam Muhammad (peace be upon him) to Christians, Jews, idol worshippers and all others. Justice, brotherhood, liberty, equality and fraternity will reign supreme.”

*ISLAMIC ISLAMIC ISLAMIC ......:):) * An islamic state adhereing to human rights , liberalism and democracy......

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Read the following article by Professor Pervez Hoodbhoy in which he outlines his understanding of what Jinnah wanted for Pakistan

http://www.chowk.com/articles/12462

"To conclude: I think it is pointless to seek a consensus on the nature of the state that Mr. Jinnah wanted for Pakistan. He certainly did not want a theocracy or a Taliban state, nor one in which the non-Muslim minorities would be persecuted and harassed (as they are today). But Jinnah’s statements at different times and circumstances are far too widely spread out to conclude anything substantial beyond these truths. Not being sufficiently well-versed in Islamic history or theology, Jinnah’s allusions to establishing an Islamic state in Pakistan cannot be taken seriously. The future of Pakistan – how secular or how Islamic it is to be – can only be decided by the citizens of the country that Mr. Jinnah made. "

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So there is no problem, you also believe in an Islamic state adhering to human rights, liberalism and democracy. not one run by brainless animals who have their own agenda and murder anyone who do not agree with them. Nothing Islamic about them, please you should be leading from the front in condemning these animals or do you believe in their dark and evil unislamic ways. Which one is it?

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Rejected!

Reason : Hoodboy is by no means equal to Mohammad Ali Jinnah or** Dr Allama Iqbal**. Hoodboy is a secular fanatic Plus he is not a National leader who founded Pakistan. We value the sayings of Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah and Dr Allama Iqbal. Hoodboy is nobody!

Hoodboy from chowk.com lol lol Vs Allama Iqbal?

Hoodboy from Chowk.com vs Mohamad Ali Jinnah…

Sorry Bhai G we don’t buy what Hoodbuy sells

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and your rejection is based on what? personal dislike?

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rejection is based on the clear logic and fact that Hoodboy is not a national leader and he is not founder of Pakistan. What he thinks about Pakistan is trivial.

This thread is aimed at " Vision of Allama Iqbal and Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah" in connection to Pakistan being Islamic or Secular"

Personally, I don't know hoodboy and this thread has nothing to do with hoodboy.