Request to Moderators
Dear Moderators can you please split the second page from my thread caz its off topic and open an other thread with khekeshan or** the Joke** as its starter and title it** " Taliban Vision of Islam " etc etc**
Because the prime purpose of my thread was Quaid-e-Azam and Iqbal's Vision of Pakistan but somehow over excited people have spotted a Taliban here...and have made it another one of those typical Taliban vs Good guys Thread.
Please Take action and preserve the essence of my Post. I repeatedly tried to explain them to stay within the confinements of the topic but some people hijacked the entire thread with another discussion.
I think you should have clarified in the beginning of the thread that whoever has views opposite to yours should not post in the thread.
Ignoring your self glorification and cheap publicity stunts like offering money I think you missed the point completely from Quaid's quotes.
1) May be Quaid wanted to name Pakisatan as Islamic republic to represent majority of the people here are Muslims, but did he want to name Pakistan Islamic theocratic state...I think certainly not..
2) He wanted an Islamic democratic country where Muslims were free to exercise their religions in their private lives while giving the relgious freedom to other communities as well. Did he want a theocratic Islamic state where Islam is imposed on people by the state...Certainly not...
3) Did he want a state where he wanted to punish people's sins with Islamic sharia...certianly not...
4) Did he want a democratic Pakistan or wanted to follow an Islamic system where women and non believers are not consulted in the matters of government formation and matters of collective wisdom...certainly not..
It's important what you understand from these quotes. If you agree on above points you can call Pakistan Islamic Republic or Islamic fundamentalist...name does not matter...He envisioned Pakistan as an equal opportunity country for Pakistanis irrespective of their relgion, colour, creed, or ethnicity. He wanted private choices for people in the matter of their personal lives and did not want a country with moral police restricting people's choices in their private affairs and flogging people for their romantic affairs, length of the beard, attendence in the mosques, unveiled women, painting and singing etc etc...
If you want to call this an Islamic system where state does not punish sins and only is concerned with crimes...There is no dispute between your point of view with liberals...but if you want to create an Islamic state where right of voting is not given to women and minorities as it was done in Madina like state, where moral police will interfere in private lives...I think Quaideazam's version of Islam differed from yours...
Quaideazam's understanding of Islam did not restrict the development of society beyond Madina like state. For example slavery was legal in Madina like state, I don't think he wanted to reintroduce slavery to create a Madina like state..people used to ride camels in a Madina like state, I don't think he wanted to reintroduce camels to create a Madina like state...in the same manner he believed in democracy, separation of religion from state affairs, equal human rights for men women believers non believers, no business of the government in morality of people in religious sense...some ideas which were not there in Madina like state but have evolved in last few hundred years to have a better civil society...
Let me tell you a bitter reality...if you think Madina like state was perfect and there is no betterment possible in that system....and that should be the system followed today in a state without any change...you have no place in the civilized world today...and if you take only the principles and apply them according to today's requirements...nobody has any objection if you call it Islamic or secular...name does not matter...////