Words from Man of Wisdom and Unifrom:
The best proof of Pakistan’s progress is Traffic Jam on the Roads.
Now who can tell the President that no new roads have been built in last 15-20 years and with population explosion traffic jam is abound to happen. It is not a progress but a problem.
I dunno what to say ! when poverty and inflation are mentioned President says, if there is poverty how come people buy these cars and motorcycles.
Lai Expressway to be renamed as Sheikh Rasheed Express Way.
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yeah does he not know the cars and motorcycles are being given for free…and its not a question of affrordability.
and how dare he talk about traffic jam as sign of progress, its not like no one ele has ever said that for any other city or country.
:nono:
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Fraudz in my city not a single, yes not a single new road has been built in last 20 years. It has a population of 4 million people, 5th largest city of Pakistan. The GT road which carries bulk of traffic is broken 50% of the time. The only exit from city is two way bridge over a canal.
And as for buying motorcycles is concerned, whihc President often mentiones as sign of progress, (he cited in his interview few months ago that Hero Honda's sale has doubled in last 15 years), then it is necessity. It does not mean that people have spare money that they go around buying CD70's. CD 70 is by no means a luxury. I myself know few young people who have bought motorcycle from money of "end of service" benefits of their parents, coz thats the only money they had.
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Words from Man of Wisdom and Unifrom:
Now who can tell the President that no new roads have been built in last 15-20 years*.*
Are you seriously saying no new roads have been built in Pakistan in the last 15-20 years?
Also, can you please post a transcript of the President's real speech.
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According to UNDP 2002 report 44% of people had food poverty in Pakistan.
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Icon man…if anything CDA is constructing way too many roads…in fact if I were to go out on the road with my cam u’ll notice every chowk dug up, but thats just Islamabad. I am not sure how things r in other places. Still the traffic shows no signs of getting under control 
I have my reservations abt mush big time…but his economic policy is a bit better than the democratic leaders. Its another matter that Mush and his team suffer from the same colonial/Ayub era mentality that responded to Indian calls for freedom with more roads and more tracks and acted in disbelief when that failed to satisfy the locals.
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Silly Billy, i do not kno of all cities in Pakistan, but in my city Gujranwala, no new road has been built in last 15-20 years.
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Silly Billy, i do not kno of all cities in Pakistan, but in my city Gujranwala, no new road has been built in last 15-20 years.
You should try to travel outside Gujranwala sometime to the other towns and cities of Pakistan, and then tell us is you think no new roads have been built in the last 15-20 years.
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I've Been to Gujranwala a couple of times for those Kabobs.
anyway, the roads are just terrible there. I agree with you.
In Lahore, the situation is the same but for some areas. There was a lot of improvement in some areas in lahore a few years ago when new roads & side roads were built. But again who really cares for andaroon Lahore where there are no traffic laws which is sad ofcourse.
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Iconoclast nay farmaya
*Fraudz in my city not a single, yes not a single new road has been built in last 20 years. It has a population of 4 million people, 5th largest city of Pakistan. The GT road which carries bulk of traffic is broken 50% of the time. The only exit from city is two way bridge over a canal. *
yaar you are projecting some personal observations in your city to assume that no development has taken place in last 15-20 years. I mean to be fair, there was even infrastructure investments during Nawaz era. Did not say much new initiatives during BB era. The current govt has made some major investments.
yaar I am from the largest city (and technically the only real city) of Pakistan and the amount of development over the last 6-7 years has been pretty substantial.
I guess the more critical needs are met first, and then the secondary needs
And as for buying motorcycles is concerned, whihc President often mentiones as sign of progress, (he cited in his interview few months ago that Hero Honda's sale has doubled in last 15 years), then it is necessity. It does not mean that people have spare money that they go around buying CD70's. CD 70 is by no means a luxury. I myself know few young people who have bought motorcycle from money of "end of service" benefits of their parents, coz thats the only money they had.
Increase is sales of large ticket items is something used globally to gauge growth.
necessity is fine, but you have to have the ability to buy. Th eexceptions are there, but the ability of people to buy motorcycles, cars, the increase in sales of white boxes and black boxes...
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u mean bengali..not indian ..right?
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According to UNDP 2002 report 44% of people had food poverty in Pakistan.
And honestly, do you think the Pakistani people, including YOU, have no responsibility for this?
Who do you think hires people for jobs? Civilians.
Who do you think denies well-qualified applicants, because their mama's in-laws' kid wants a job, yet isn't qualified for it? Civilians.
Who practices intensely disgusting and unhygeine practices, that spread infections, that rise the cost of health care in the country, forcing people to spend money on hospital visits they could have avoided, leaving more room in their pocket for food? Civilians.
Who takes really high paychecks for their businesses and then doesn't pay their employees properly? Civilians.
Who could be more vigilant and vocal about ill political and social practices, but don't bother and then don't allow 50% of the population (women) to do some scolding (which is what we're good at anyway)? Civilians.
Who doesn't bother to provide alms and give donations outside the month of Ramadan? Civilians.
I could go on and on, but you get my point. If you lazy farts would get up off your behinds, and actually try doing something for the people around you, then you'd see massive change in society.
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PCG, our nation loves to complain. check how many pay taxes, and we are not talking about connected industrialists, but your avg shop owner or cabbie.
imagine if US had to exist on a tiny fraction of the popultion paying taxes. how would anything be funded...
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Well the reason they don't pay taxes, is because they know it ends up going into someone's pockets. You can't exactly blame them. But at the same time, you're right. Its a two-edged sword. What these guys don't get is that they expect ONE guy to fix ALL the problems in the country, and it just can't be done that way. If they're so gung ho about things, then they need to get up and pitch in somehow.
Iconoclast, I wonder how much you make working as a doctor in Pakistan.
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PCG..its the same here, there is tons of wasteful spending in US, newspapers are full of it.
and if someone will say well we cant kick dictators out but in a democracy like US we can vote ppl out and thus have a say in what is being done...well our tax collection was even worse during democratic regimes in pakistan.
I can blame them, I am not happy with increased taxes due to the pressure on schools and county helath depts etc due to illegal immigrants etc who are not paying their share, but I still pay taxes.
I was reading somewere that more than 90% of the people in Pakistan dont pay taxes (actually it said 99% but I am being conservative here).
That is pretty bad..
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u mean bengali..not indian ..right?
Bengali for Ayub, Indian for Brits.
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got it :)
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That 90% maybe right but 99% is wrong. Not saying much but still.
In fact, the Tax-to-GDP ratio has gone down in the past few years for a couple of reasons:
1- The base was recalculated in 00-01
2- The GDP has expanded at a faster rate than the tax revenue.
Call me Captain Obvious but thats the govt. response I hear most of the times. My dad’s pretty happy with the USAS reforms though. We is a tax paying family, in case anyone is wondering. We have already been audited by the govt. some two years back. This audit process is completely random (or so the govt. says) My dad’s primary reason of satisfaction with the reforms is that it has reduced the influence of Tax inspector by a lot. 
Tax 2 GDP was around 10 % before i stopped listening to the CBR chairman. It had gone upto 13% if I am not wrong 
For anyone interested, the govt is abolishing CBR and constituting a Federal Tax collection dept. (not the exact name) which will be more autonomous. The govt., is also supposed to be coming up with an autonomous stats body and an autonomous trade competition body to replace the toothless Monopoly control body.
I think these r great steps, if the govt does everything right. One of Nawaz Sharif’s best executive order would have to be the autonomy of the SBP. That has helped the banks tremendously.
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thanks dude
the base needed to be recalculated as it had obvious errors.
I also understand the faster GDP expansion than tax expansion amd can understand a lag in tax revenues..but not missing tax revenues.
basically its a nation of crooks...even if we go by 90%, then think about how many people you may know who are not paying their taxes, and are thus cheating their own nation...but the excuses are a plenty..
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at the time the base was "rebased" in 00, PM, then FM responding to criticism by opposition promised to recalculate the base every five years to keep it relevant. That didnt happen, even though i believe it is vital for the economy.
As for the tax payers, what can I say. The govt. is as much at fault as the tax payer. Can only clap with two hands. If the govt. fixes the tax collection authority then people will be a little more willing to pay their tax. If u have been to Pak in recent times, then u can use the example of Islamabad Traffic Police (ITP) and Motorway Police to illustrate the point. I have talked to more than one taxi walla's about their opinion abt the ITP. Their response range from generally positive to out right dua for the ITP.
Some taxi walla's have narrated to me how the previous traffic police would signal them to stop in normal routine, ask for lift, get off at their destination, and instead of thanking the hapless driver or paying a cent, ask the driver for his documents. Tables turned, the bemused driver often ended up paying the policeman the amount he was supposed to be earning. Now the driver r glad to stop whenever an ITP officer signals and pay up whatever fine is due to them. They know that the money is not going into the policeman's pocket, and that r only being stopped for a (genuine) reason.
A rather amusing site if u ever come to Islamabad is the large posters on the rear screens of most Vans proudly displaying "Van of the month" etc etc award given by the ITP. The public transporters actually took out a procession to celebrate the first anniversary of the new traffic police. And to think that the same public transporters went on strike within the first month of ITP service just puts into perspective how well behaved and professional they have really been. So based on this first hand experience and gathered knowledge, I sincerely believe that the ball is in govt.'s court.
Ppl will respond. Just give them a reason to.